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Topic: Favourite ELP cover version
Posted By: Bob Greece
Subject: Favourite ELP cover version
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:42

What's your favourite ELP cover version?

I really like Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet on the Black Moon album.

I must admit that I haven't heard much ELP but from what I've heard, I prefer the cover versions to their original songs.



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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:51
TOCATTA

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 05:55

They're not really cover versions, but adaptions.

I like Toccata the best I think..........its a great adaption



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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:03
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

They're not really cover versions, but adaptions.

I like Toccata the best I think..........its a great adaption

YES THEY ARE NOT COVERS,  great adaption



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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:06
I must admit I think Romeo and Juliet is one of their weakest - too obvious a choice and doesn't add anything to the original (a bit like Mars off the ELPowell album).

I much prefer Toccata, The Barbarian and Canario (off Love Beach, eek!)

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Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:07
I understand ELP covered Man in the Long Black Coat by Bob Dylan for the In the Hot Seat album, but I haven't heard their version. I am also aware of a tribute album to ELP on which the band are covered by the likes of Robert Berry, Glenn Hughes and possibly John Wetton? I haven't heard that either. ELP's versions of Pictures at an Exhibition, Nutrocker, Toccata, Creole Dance, Bolero and Knife Edge are great! I hate to say it, but I'm not very keen on Canario.   


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:11

Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

I understand ELP covered Man in the Long Black Coat by Bob Dylan for the In the Hot Seat album, but I haven't heard their version. I am also aware of a tribute album to ELP on which the band are covered by the likes of Robert Berry, Glenn Hughes and possibly John Wetton? I haven't heard that either. ELP's versions of Pictures at an Exhibition, Nutrocker, Toccata, Creole Dance, Bolero and Janacek (can't think of the name of the original) are great! I hate to say it, but I'm not very keen on Canario.   

I have the covers album, I like it a lot!



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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:12

AND

PICTURES AT THE EXCIBITION



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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:14

Originally posted by Drachen Theaker Drachen Theaker wrote:

I must admit I think Romeo and Juliet is one of their weakest - too obvious a choice and doesn't add anything to the original (a bit like Mars off the ELPowell album).

Mars off the ELPowell album ...  I like it!

Mind you, like I said before, I haven't heard too much ELP but it looks like Tocatto is a popular choice so I must check it out.



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Posted By: jitu
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:16
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Drachen Theaker Drachen Theaker wrote:

I must admit I think Romeo and Juliet is one of their weakest - too obvious a choice and doesn't add anything to the original (a bit like Mars off the ELPowell album).

Mars off the ELPowell album ...  I like it!

Mind you, like I said before, I haven't heard too much ELP but it looks like Tocatto is a popular choice so I must check it out.

AND PLEASE GET 'PICTURES AT THE EXCIBITION' ALONG WITH ORIGINAL MUSSORGSKY'S SUITE



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Posted By: Bob Greece
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:19

By the way, I read the Q magazine article on ELP and it said that it was convenient that Cozy Powell's surname began with P. At the end, it said due to the tensions in the band, maybe they should look for a keyboard player whose name begins with E.

I think Keith Emerson is fantastic by the way - I just liked the joke.

Another thing, if Steve Howe joined the band on guitar, would they be called HELP?



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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:21
Originally posted by jitu jitu wrote:

Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Originally posted by Drachen Theaker Drachen Theaker wrote:

I must admit I think Romeo and Juliet is one of their weakest - too obvious a choice and doesn't add anything to the original (a bit like Mars off the ELPowell album).

Mars off the ELPowell album ...  I like it!

Mind you, like I said before, I haven't heard too much ELP but it looks like Tocatto is a popular choice so I must check it out.

AND PLEASE GET 'PICTURES AT THE EXCIBITION' ALONG WITH ORIGINAL MUSSORGSKY'S SUITE



Yes, I love the Promenade/Baba Yaga sequence on Pictures. There's an awesome version of this from 1972 on the Original Bootlegs Vol 1 CD.

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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:33

The Hoedown does it for me. Great fun to play too, now that I've learnt it.

It's interesting to see now that some school text books for music listening are doing a comparison exercise between the original orchestral version and the ELP version. I was doing that in schools years before this book was ever published.

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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 06:39
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

By the way, I read the Q magazine article on ELP and it said that it was convenient that Cozy Powell's surname began with P. At the end, it said due to the tensions in the band, maybe they should look for a keyboard player whose name begins with E.

I think Keith Emerson is fantastic by the way - I just liked the joke.

Another thing, if Steve Howe joined the band on guitar, would they be called HELP?



It could have been HELP as they nearly hooked up with Jimi Hendrix.

I read an interview with Keith Emerson where he joked that they'd tried to get Phil Pollins and Buddy Prich before settling for Powell!

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 07:34
Hoedown is their best "adaption" imo, followed by the awesome "Toccata" from "Welcome bank my friends..."


Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 09:03
hoedown

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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 11:19

Peter Gunn. Emerson pops a valium and Lake shuts his big mouth - good setup.



Posted By: DEzerov
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 12:18
Originally posted by Poxx Poxx wrote:

Peter Gunn. Emerson pops a valium and Lake shuts his big mouth - good setup.




Ditto!!!!


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 12:37

Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

I understand ELP covered Man in the Long Black Coat by Bob Dylan for the In the Hot Seat album, but I haven't heard their version. I am also aware of a tribute album to ELP on which the band are covered by the likes of Robert Berry, Glenn Hughes and possibly John Wetton? I haven't heard that either. ELP's versions of Pictures at an Exhibition, Nutrocker, Toccata, Creole Dance, Bolero and Janacek (can't think of the name of the original) are great! I hate to say it, but I'm not very keen on Canario.   

I think all those tracks are not really covers, but rather adaptations of classical pieces, which IMO is quite a different thing. BTW, I've got the tribute album, whose title is Encores, Legends and Paradox (Magna Carta). It is overall an excellent record, with a version of Knife Edge sung magnificently  by Glenn Hughes and very good performances by the likes of Igor Khoroshev, Jordan Rudess, Martin Barre and Simon Phillips (among many others). John Wetton sings two tracks, as does our dear friend James LaBrie (the less said, the better.... He sings Tarkus!).



Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 04:57

Discussing the the difference between covers and adaptions is merely semantics.

'All those tracks are not really covers,' is incorrect.

 



Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 05:20
Nice version of "Hang on to a dream" on "Return of the Manticore".


Posted By: bumheed7
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 06:18
im sure weve had this before and i said that jerusalem was my favourite, and somebody had a big cuffuful with me sayin that it wasnt a cover as such.

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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 06:23
Originally posted by jitu jitu wrote:

EXCIBITION





Yeah,I love Pictures too...
 

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 18:04
Originally posted by jitu jitu wrote:

AND

PICTURES AT THE EXCIBITION

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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 18:15
The Toccatta adaptation pwns.


Posted By: Odysseus
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 16:55

Hoedown for me.

So much energy, so much passion and a decent amount of madness too.

And in my opinion Trilogy it's much better than BSS.



Posted By: Sam Fire
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 17:02

Hoedown here, too.  Nice and crazy.  And, to me, the drums in particular sound great, better than other ELP songs. 



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 17:18

Originally posted by bumheed7 bumheed7 wrote:

im sure weve had this before and i said that jerusalem was my favourite, and somebody had a big cuffuful with me sayin that it wasnt a cover as such.

That was I!

And I stand by every word!



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 17:21
Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

Discussing the the difference between covers and adaptions is merely semantics.

'All those tracks are not really covers,' is incorrect.

 

Well the Dylan song is obviously a cover. The others mentioned aren't though!

oh, except Hang onto a Dream...



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Posted By: shekhar
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 17:32
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

Discussing the the difference between covers and adaptions is merely semantics.

'All those tracks are not really covers,' is incorrect.

 

Well the Dylan song is obviously a cover. The others mentioned aren't though!

oh, except Hang onto a Dream...



Posted By: TheBarbarian
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 21:02
Hoedown, closely followed by Jerusalem


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 02:08

Hoedown (the first ELP track I ever heard)

Toccata is amazing

I also like the ELPowell version of Mars as well! (although everything else on that album is crap)



Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 04:41
Pictures at an Exibition.

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 06:01
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Hoedown (the first ELP track I ever heard)

Toccata is amazing

I also like the ELPowell version of Mars as well! (although everything else on that album is crap)

Toccata is probably the best adaptation I've heard them do, but generally I dont like rock adaptations of classical music, as they are never going to sound as good as an orchestral performance. I really dont like their take on Mars, from ELPowell. I think it's insulting in the extreme, although that may be because The Planets was the first classical I ever liked as a kid. It holds a special place etc..and was not written for Hammond organs and synths..

Their worst has to be 'Jerusalem' where Greg Lakes drunk voacls strip it of all majesty IMO.

Although ELPowell is not a great album, it's better than I remembered it.  I gave it a spin recently and I think The Miracle is a great track..



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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 06:44
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Nice version of "Hang on to a dream" on "Return of the Manticore".


Yeap!!!


Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: September 12 2005 at 07:05

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

... generally I dont like rock adaptations of classical music, as they are never going to sound as good as an orchestral performance.

100% agreed, absolutely!



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Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 06:02
A cover is an interpretation of a song/piece of music. As I said, the difference is pure semantics.  


Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 06:16

The re-recorded version of 'Picture's .......' that appeard on the manticore box set is far better than the live version and is my favourite ELP cover!! Closely followed by bHoedown and Toccata



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 06:27

Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

A cover is an interpretation of a song/piece of music. As I said, the difference is pure semantics.  

A cover is an interpretation of a song, but not a piece music, niot a piece of Classical music anyhow.



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Posted By: Sweetmonkeylove
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 11:44
For me, its got to be Hoedown. Its indescribably enjoyable.

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Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 12:01
Originally posted by Dragon Phoenix Dragon Phoenix wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

... generally I dont like rock adaptations of classical music, as they are never going to sound as good as an orchestral performance.

100% agreed, absolutely!

100% agreed, absolutely! (too)



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Posted By: MANTICORE
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 20:06

RONDO (live)



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Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 20:08
ELP cover versions..?

Try Encores, Legends & Paradox (Magna Carta MA-9026-2). It has many gems such as:


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Robert Berry Bass, Guitar and Vocals
Simon Phillips Drums
Jordan Rudess Keyboards
Mark Wood Violin

Bitches Crystal
Trent Gardner Keyboards
Pat Mastelotto Acoustic and Electric Drums and Percussion
John Wetton Vocals
Igor Khoroshev Piano Solo
Wayne Gardner Bass

Toccata Trent Gardner Keyboards
Pat Mastelotto Acoustic and Electric Drums and Percussion
Peter Banks Lead and Rhythm Guitar
Matt Guillory Lead Sythn Solos
Wayne Gardner Bass

Knife Edge
Robert Berry Bass
Simon Phillips Drums
Glenn Hughes Vocals
Marc Bonilla Guitar
Eric Norlander Keyboards

A Time And A Place
Trent Gardner Keyboards
Doane Perry Drums
James LaBrie Vocals
Martin Barre Lead and Rhythm Guitars
John Novello Organ Solo
Wayne Gardner Bass

Hoedown Robert Berry Bass
Simon Phillips Drums
Jerry Goodman Violin
Marc Bonilla Guitar
Jordan Rudess Keyboards

The Sheriff Trent Gardner Keyboards and Vocal on Outro
Mike Portnoy Drums
Peter Banks Lead and Rhythm Guitar
John Wetton Vocals
Mark Robertson Hammond C-3 Organ
Wayne Gardner Bass and Acoustic Guitar

The Endless Enigma
Trent Gardner Keyboards and Vocals
Mike Portnoy Drums
Geoff Downes Lead Sythn solo on Outro
Wayne Gardner Bass

The Barbarian
Robert Berry Bass and Guitar
Simon Phillips Drums
Igor Khoroshev Piano Solo

Tarkus
Robert Berry Bass
Simon Phillips Drums
James LaBrie Vocals
Marc Bonilla Guitar
Derek Sherinian Keyboards

http://www.magnacarta.net/releases/elpTributeText.html

All ..!
Enjoy it...


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Posted By: uriah561
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 20:25

Yes. Pictures At An Exhibition rocks, man!

Tocatta, Barbarian, Fanfare For The Common Man, Hoedown, too!

Worst Covers: Canario, Nutrocker, Romeo And Juliet!

Also, take a listen to America and Rondo from Keith Emerson and the Nice (it's not ELP-related, but it's got a definite influence)



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Posted By: Gronostay
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 05:42
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by jitu jitu wrote:

EXCIBITION





Yeah,I love Pictures too...
 


THATS TRUE


Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 18:23
I love Hoedown. It's better than the original, at least for my taste.


Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 11:41
ELP did not cover classical pieces - they are from the modern era. 


Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: October 18 2005 at 23:37
Definitively Pictures ! I absolutely hate Toccata and Hoedown particulary


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 19 2005 at 00:27

Originally posted by Big Ears Big Ears wrote:

ELP did not cover classical pieces - they are from the modern era. 

Good pont but there's something not correct, ELP covers Classical music even when their main influence was Late Romantic/ealry Modern Classical (What they didn't almost cover is Classic Music 1750 to 1830 more or less with musicians as Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven),

Classical is a term that covers select music from Medieval/Gothic (XII to XV Centuries) to Modern period (XX and  XXI Centuries).

Classical and Classic are terms that almost always are confused and misused.

The main cover version by ELP is Pictures at an Exhibition and Mussorgsky is considered late Romantic as all the Russian Nationalist Movement, something inaccurate IMO because  this musicians were closer in style to Modern Classical than to Romantic because they broke all boundaries imposed by Europe.

That's the problem with genres, because there's not an exact line that divides periods and eras, for example Wagner was doing Modern stuff in the Romantic period, including his 16 hours version of The  Ring of the Nibelungen.

Sorry if I'm a wise a$$ but I love Classical music almost as much as Prog'.

Iván



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Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 10:32
A fair point. 


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:02
mine was always

The Barbarian

I swear I can visualize the Mongol hordes sweeping across the Steppes towards my house everytime I listen to t.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:03
Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

RONDO (live)



probably my 2nd fav


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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:06
theyr version of 21st Century Schizoid Man is great too.

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Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: October 20 2005 at 14:17

THE BARBARIAN

Now......that's HEAVY!




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