How does supporting Clinton designate integrity? I don't understand.

Yeah, he promised a great party and all we got was cheap beer and weed that the cat pissed on

It's hard as a Bernie fan to understand how Bernie endorsed Crooked Hillary after she rigged the primaries and stole 200 million dollars in donations from Bernie, given by folks like me to the DNC.  The DNC set an hourly  sweep of all Democratic National Commitee funds to Hillary.  I'm part of a multi million dollar class action lawsuit against the DNC.  Yeah, I felt the burn... 

 

while I really dislike Trump, he did say something that did chime right to me during his campaign: basically, Arsehole Trump said that he wished one day to have a woman president, but not that one.

I must say, that despite the fact that I would've preferred Hillary in office rather than Donald Duck Trump, she does appear quite corrupted.... or at least, been way too long in politics.  While I still view Bill as the second-best president since I'm born (after Obama), but I can't help feeling that she has become a fake or a heavily-corrupted individual... If DDT made it as president, it's mostly the Democrat's fault by insisting on her (let's face it, Bernie didn't stand a chance (no matter how credible and honest he is).

 

The other half of the fault is the way the votes are counted... As a fan or proportionality in democracy, I'm really opposed to the "winner takes all"  in a given county or state (same problem in the UK)... Where is the democracy in that?? How the f**k is it possible that someone with 2M votes more than his opponent can lose.

 

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Andy, outside the "TV star" thing, what do you have against Oprah?? is she corrupted??

Completely agree with this.

 

Ooooh, I have no problem accepting that there is a vile minority that voted DDT, but there was an anti-Hillary vote abstention, when you consider that 6M possible democrat voters abstained (a lot of "ethnic" voters, mainly).

 

It's usually the motivation in the democrat reservoir that usually makes the difference.

 

 

My thoughts exactly. Bernie was my first choice. 

I don't trust nor think politicians are the answer civilization needs, but I also don't have another solution.

As a fan for years, early vocal supporter of his 16 campaign and a wisher that the movement he brought to the mainstream (Warren cracked it open first) continues to grow, no I do not feel betrayed. 

The endorsement was sincerely such a non issue, anyone who says they no longer support Sanders simply because of that, imho, was never in it for the policies...they just wanted to be edgy/be in the alternative, hated Clinton, or were just pissed off kids that wanted to see the world burn in a way like the alt right. I can say most of the types I know of that nature seem to have faded...I never hear a peep from them. Leading me to believe I was right, they loved the guy, the feeling, the want to be different but not actually in it for real. 

It was just an endorsement....of the candidate who won the nomination

And more so, (this gets to the larger point) he's a sensible guy. He wants more parties, like I do, but gets until we have that there is no hope running as an Independent. Much like Ron Paul/the libertarians accepting the only way is to go through the mainstream and push them (while taking compromises) Sanders gets the left must do the same. 

For what its worth, Ralph Nader defended his running as Dem and he'd know better than anyone that situation

But nah, its politics. Much fun as it is to run at the wall screaming "IM HARDCORE NO SELLOUT HERE" (I guess?) it will make no progress, you kill yourself in the process and people dismiss you as a loon. 

Gotta chip away.....

Its true. There were awful Sanders fans, god where there ever, but overall I found Clinton people more insufferable. 1, 99 out of 100 never ever could give a concrete, policy/reason based reason to vote for her besides shes not Trump. 
Which I did, esp living in a state now where my vote really matters, but yeah it was just that, or "so smart. So experienced!" which is true and great, but idk so is John Kasich, doesnt mean he just gets a pass to be PotUS
2: The backlash I got from the people claiming "unity" and "stop destroying the party" was indeed hostile and continued well past the election and once in a blue moon I still see it. Again I voted for Clinton, in FL, and while it was generally futile I told Bernie friends of mine ya gotta it the bullet and do it too. So same, not sure what else I was supposed to do nor was I aware I cost her the election. 

Oh right Bernie's running that alone cost her! It ate away support and unity. 

That one I found most ridiculous. That means we literally cant have primaries, or at least the party should just choose the candidates. Disturbingly, more than a few Dems told me that'd be fine....

Sheesh all so their candidate can win? That's some unity  If anything I feel more betrayed by the Democratic Party, which btw I have registered as since 2006 and vote Dem always (cept 2 times I deeply regret). I had one "friend" say I was killing the party. I told him he was the one that registered as a Repub and campaigned for Romney in 2012, he blocked me. WONDERFUL. 

You are right, if Bernie fans should feel betrayed its by his fans in the rust belt that believed in Trump, as well as a media that actually was pretty generous to Trump, the Democratic Party, and yes really anyone that voted for Trump out of economic interest... How are we supposed to get past this dark time in the US and all his deep seeded anger and hostility when we, as progressives, are hung up on some endorsement that means nothing or hes getting cozy with Dems, who are slowly migrating his way and being filled at the grassroots levels with people not scared to be called socialists. 

I'm fine with "divisive" if unity means being a neocon/neolib warhawk.

Trump and Sanders were both at least anti-war to some degree, although Bernie went right along with Hillary and the rest in taking out Gaddafi.

Apparently he said he wouldn't rule it out if the situation worsens there.

This won't happen though. Trump tends to put out aggressive rhetoric as a strategy. He has resisted the deep state plan to take out Assad, despite also having very aggressive rhetoric against him. I have to give him some credit for this.

Same thing with North Korea. But no, now the warhawk neoliberal media says he is meeting with a dictator and we should never do this. This is total crap. Diplomacy is almost always the best option.