Songs that make you believe modern prog is better
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Topic: Songs that make you believe modern prog is better
Posted By: condor
Subject: Songs that make you believe modern prog is better
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 14:59
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This and Spark in the Ether And yes, I have changed my mind. I have no idea how long this feeling will last.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 21:12
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No, really I don't think modern prog is better. I do enjoy a lot of modern prog, and there are many great bands/albums/songs, but really I mostly think the 70's had something special that can't be easily recreated. Perhaps it was because many of the bands did their music without trying to do prog, but only wanting to do the music that they liked and loved, and now the idea of prog is very much in the mind of prog musicians, and the new ones try to do prog itself, and then they have to include the elements of prog just for the sake of making prog. However, if I want to go along with the thread and mention the things (not just songs) that makes me think modern prog is better (I would rather say that it is worthy and just as great as the classic ones), it would be: First, Dream Theater. OK, they are not so modern any more, but they are not from the original classic bands, and they are one of my very favourite bands. Actually, from my top 5, they are the only one that didn't start in the 70's. There are too many songs that I love from them, though I don't really think they did any full masterpiece albums, because they always include songs that don't really do it for me. The album "The Final Breath before November" by Edison's Children is just sublime. So, if we want to give songs, it would be "Silhouette", which takes just about the whole album with all of it's segments. Transatlantic with the album "The Whirwind". Once again, the whole album is supposed to be a single track, so it might just as well fit the criteria. Perhaps Cast's song "El Puente". Opeth's "The Drapery Falls". And that's what I can think of at the moment. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 23:17
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I like Knifeworld and Opeth and some Finnish bands after seventies. That´s all to me from modern prog and I don´t think they´re better than 60-70 prog. Don´t like Dream Theater at all.
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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 23:22
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Between The Buried And Me Haken Devin Townsend ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 02:04
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It depends from what you consider "modern". There was a lot of good prog in 90thies. Is it modern or ancient? from modern bands who started after 2000x, I love Riverside, because they established their own style, and do not clone prog from 70thies
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 03:12
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This thread is a loaded assertion/posit, IMHO. I don't think modern prog vs classic prog should even be a thing. Era shouldn't matter. Real prog transcends the ages and is timeless. I have yet to hear anything that rivals the classic 70's stuff. I'm genuinely unimpressed by most modern bands because it sounds like they're trying to be prog instead of the style arising as a natural consequence of their passion for writing and playing. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 04:14
| How do you define "Modern" and better than what? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 05:26
I think of modern prog as anything recorded after 1977...  If we are to class modern prog as prog rock produced by artists who emerged after the 1980's 'neo' period; so discounting Marillion, IQ et al, but including the likes of Spocks Beard, Echolyn, Dream Theater, Opeth, Haken, Porcupine Tree, Glass Hammer, and yes...even Big Big Train.. I can't think of a single song that makes believe modern prog is better overall than classic era prog rock. Is that what you're asking? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 14:13
| Prog after 2000 |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 16:06
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I haven't heard anything post 2000 that would make me remotely think modern prog is better than what came before. Some very cool post-2000 albums here and there, but on the whole nowhere near the volume necessary to make that claim. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 17:22
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Modern prog better??? I'd say there is excellent stuff either side of 1977. For me the saddest thing is that the newer bands are producing music that would have sold millions rather than thousands if released in the early 70s. Old prog is familiar to us, not least because when we bought an album, we listened to it and read the gatefold sleeve until they wore out! In today's environment of free downloads and a multitude of new bands out there, though sadly many merely 'cottage industry' ventures selling hundreds and who would never had got a major label contract despite their quality - making a living is damn tough! What would Spock's Beard, IQ, Big Big Train have shifted if they released their music back then? Could 'Waste Away', 'June', 'Corners' and 'Make Some Noise' had made it on TOTPs or could an appearance on the OGWT had propelled their sales like it did for Focus etc. back then too??? We can only surmise! Old prog, new prog - it's all great - and I can't think of a genre that still gives us so much choice. The gift that keeps giving!  ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: January 13 2018 at 01:04
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of Prog after 2000 there is only one band I really like, and that's The Red Masque, and I highly recommend them to all who like King Crimson, VdGG or Amon Düül 2. you can listen to their albums on their homepage: http://www.theredmasque.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.theredmasque.com/ they are currently working on a new album which should be released soon. the working title is "Fathomless". all other artists I know that started 2000 or later leave me rather cold. there have been great albums this century, but those were from the veterans -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: January 13 2018 at 12:43
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Like many here, I haven't really found anything that convinces me that modern prog is better, but there are a few tunes that shows that modern bands can sometimes reach the heights of classic bands: http://infinien.bandcamp.com/track/if-you-were-a-song" rel="nofollow - https://infinien.bandcamp.com/track/if-you-were-a-song ------------- https://borealkinship.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My prog band - Boreal Kinship |
Posted By: Mind_Drive
Date Posted: January 13 2018 at 16:15
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For me its more about how a band makes me feel and not which band does the higher quality music. That said, I prefer modern prog in most cases, because the dark and dense atmospheres of bands like Soen or Leprous bring me to other places where the fairytale prog of genesis just wont get me. So the answer is no, they're equally good but modern prog connects more to me.. ------------- It's just a ride... <3 |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: January 14 2018 at 11:38
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IQ's The Road Of Bones, but I am talking about the entire album, not the song. ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: noni
Date Posted: January 14 2018 at 13:08
Not sure where this thread is leading... Most of the newer bands are quite talented and progressed the older sounds from the past. It's quite good now, as we seem to have a global interest in progressive music from various countries.  ..... One thing with prog music I like, it's not just one track but the whole album I enjoy.. I cannot say that with mainstream bands that are popular. 1 or 2 tracks maybe, but that's it..
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: January 14 2018 at 14:04
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There's a lot of great prog out there. The modern situation is similar to that of the classic period. Most of these bands are ahead of their time and it always requires non-musicians years or decades to understand what they accomplished. Bands like Cardiacs, metal acts like Meshuggah, bands like Poil and countless others are utterly unique. Some are popular but many remain woefully overlooked while most look to the past. Just the way it goes, i guess :) -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: January 14 2018 at 14:54
Now Cardiacs is not all that modern is it? Still, a brilliant band in every way imaginable! ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
siLLy puPPy wrote:Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 14:52
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I don't think he is suggesting that modern prog is better , but just whether there are tracks that inspire you to explore modern bands output. For me Thoughts Of A Dying Atheist would come into that category. You can argue it's not prog if you want. Also Tool - Lateralus , the entire album. Its compelling and very dark. Classic prog could be just a bit too nice and fantasy based. You get a bit more dirt and raw emotion occasionally with modern bands although I have to say that BBT as much as like them ( and I do a lot) would not come into this category!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 14:56
| ..actually a better example than those I quoted is Anathema's Weather Systems album which ..um ..blew me away!! It is that raw emotion thing again. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 20:55
| I just got that Weather Systems album, and I'm really enjoying it. The first I got from them was Distant Satellites, and I loved it... the whole albums was beautiful... that raw emotion thing indeed. Then I heard The Optimist in You Tube, but I was not sure I would love it as much, so I just downloaded a few songs from ITunes. And now I got Weather Systems, and it does sound better than the latest one... though I'm not yet ready to decide if I like it better than DS (yeah, I know that the correct answer would be that WS is the better one, but I guess having heard the other one first gives it an edge). Still, I expect their formula may become stale if I listen to too many albums... however, I guess I will have to get at least We are Here becaus We are Here. And then perhaps the live Untouchable. |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: January 16 2018 at 05:25
My favorite by them is The Silent Enigma, from back when they were in doom genre. If you like harder hitting stuff, then I recommend that one most of all. Otherwise, yeah, Weather Systems. ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: January 16 2018 at 09:38
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IMO, modern prog may not be better, but there seems to be more of it--especially in the last fifteen years. To me, this is what makes 21st Century prog so exciting: all of the new, young minds latching on and exploring BOTH old and new sounds, themes, and styles. There is no arguing that the spirit if 1967-73 is large and perhaps inimitable, but this "new wave" of youth exploring progressive rock--trying to test and push boundaries--is a thing of beauty that deserves celebration (and economic support). Favorite "modern" sources are perhaps the labels that support these new artists, including: AltrOck Productions/Fading Records, Cuneiform Records, K-Scope, Black Widow, R.A.I.G., MoonJune, as well as BANDCAMP. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 16 2018 at 11:04
-doesn't really exist. But I still believe this is absolute perfection - and its a shame we don't seem to be getting any more from them: I do believe my lasting favorites* among the 00-bands make just as great music as the classics. *that would probably be Guapo, Non Credo, Secret Chiefs 3...
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: January 16 2018 at 11:47
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There is? ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 16 2018 at 21:17
I have read about their beginnings as a doom band or somthing like that, but I'm still very new to the band, and wondering how much I want to get into them. However, to know how much I might be interested in that era, were they using lots of growls? Were they very noisy or rather melodic? |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 15:15
Just very dull imo. Between the two main eras you have 3 albums (Judgement , A Fine Day To Exit and A Natural Disaster) that are quite interesting (released on Sony if I remember correctly) and are available as a reasonably priced box set . I would get those first. |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: January 22 2018 at 15:35
Rather melodic, and they did growl, but I don't recall too much growling; at least, it did not interfere with the music. Very good band, and I don't think it's overrated either (as some people are hinting all around). ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: The Shrubbery
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 12:34
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http://youtu.be/asCh_c-2g0U" rel="nofollow - http://youtu.be/asCh_c-2g0U
Why isn't this being talked about? This is as good as anything as i've heard in years... Bjorn Riis - Stay Calm
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Posted By: The Shrubbery
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 12:55
Can't agree with you more Dellinger. Edison's Children's Final Breath Before November is the most hauntingly beautiful album ive ever listened to. It puts you in that haunting space that the beginning of Supper's Ready or Entangled does but leaves you there for nearly 80 minutes (except the single which is okay). The new Transatlantic album turned me off a bit. Too preachy. But Whirlwind was stunning. Both albums have something in common. Pete Trewavas wrote half of the Final Breath Before November and half the Whirlwind. Maybe Pete T is becoming one of the better songwriters/prog producers of this era. And with Marillion he arranges long songs like The Leavers and The Invisible Man and never gets credit for it. It is time he did
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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 13:40
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Agalloch Akinetón Retard Ayreon Beardfish Bondage Fruit Devin Townsend Ensemble Nimbus Ex Eye Free Salamander Exhibit French TV Gorguts Guapo Jean Louis Kayo Dot Leprous Major Parkinson Maudlin of the Well MediaBanda Miasma & The Carousel of Headless Horses Miriodor miRthkon Ne Obliviscaris NeBeLNeST One Shot Opeth Pain of Salvation Panzerpappa PoiL Riverside Secret Chiefs 3 Sleepytime Gorilla Museum Ulver ------------- 
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Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 13:46
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I like many post-2000 prog bands (e.g. The Psychedelic Ensemble, Vespero, Wobbler, etc) that share a lot of the characteristics of the good old prog bands of the late 60's thru mid 70's. A lot of the new bands who call themselves prog, are not prog at all. They're just "Prog Wannabe's". Sure, maybe they have good song writing and are pleasant to listen to, but that doesn't make them prog. For me, "prog" is a very exclusive club that very few artists demonstrate the right to belong to. I prefer not to dilute the quality of the club by adding every Tom, Dick, and Harry band just because they used an odd time signature once. The original prog bands were explorers. They veered off the well-trod course of formulaic rock 'n roll to explore new musical paths, creating sounds and compositions that were completely new. They went in many different directions (symphonic, folk, electronic, eclectic, etc), but they were all forging new territory. So, in my mind, you either have to follow in their footsteps and produce music reminiscent of their original explorations (without being copy-cat) or you have to lead a new musical exploration, forging new territories, creating compositions, sounds and styles that are hitherto unheard of. Most of the new so-called prog bands fail to do either. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 14:22
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None......there are some modern bands I really like...,but better than the earlier stuff?..No....,as good as in some cases. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 15:40
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There is so much great music out there, and I don't think it is right to say the 70s stuff as a whole is "better" than post-70s, even if it was that 70s music that most of us heard first, are thus most loyal to (for good reason). Also, I disagree that post-70s (or post-80s) music, should be disparaged as less original. For instance, I consider Godspeed You Black Emperor''s album 'Lift Yer Skinny Fists like Antennas to Heaven' to be one of the top 50 of all time, very original, up there with the classics. The whole post-rock genre, and math rock, have been pushing the boundaries of musical innovation. So much great jazz fusion being made today too, and I like some of the contemporary Zuehl even more than Magma.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 16:10
| Some modern prog is good but too many bands seem to insist on having metal guitar in their prog(and no I'm not referring to full blown prog metal). |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 20:51
I was disapointed with the new Transatlantic too. Really, for me their best one is The Whirlwind, and then some songs from their other albums, but nothing really reaches the heights of that album for me. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 20:55
I don't think I agree with making the prog label so exclusive. If they have the characteristics to belong in the genre, then they do, even if they are not the best band you could listen to. Every genre has their most excellent bands. The most popular ones. The followers, the mediocre, and the bad ones. However, I guess you just stated why the 70's bands were so unique: they were trying to do their own original thing... they were trying to break the rules and do something new. Mostly, new prog bands try to stick to the "trademark" sound developed by the bands that were breaking the rules, and that makes them sound formulaic and unoriginal, instead of fresh and daring as the original bands were. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 08 2018 at 22:54
The greatest music I have found after seventies is mostly different genres as prog. I don´t think there has happened as big revolutions in popular music after seventies as happaned in sixties-seventies, of course there are some really adventurous artists that mix new, interesting mixes from the old elements.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 09 2018 at 02:52
------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 09 2018 at 04:31
| ^Because the other is better. Only the best do for me. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: April 09 2018 at 10:53
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Anything from KARDA ESTRA's Eve The first or last songs from maudlin of The Well's Part The Second Anything from PROGHMA-C's Bar-do travel, VOTUM's Harvest Moon, or KARNIVOOL's Asymmetry Anything by German Pagan Folk band FAUN Anything from NZ band JAKOB's Sines Anything by OLGA PODGAISKAJA (Rational Diet, Five-Storey Ensemble) Anything from Vortex by SONAR with David Torn ANNA VON HAUSSWOLF's "The Mysterious Vanishing of Electra" Anything from AALTO's Ikaro RIVERSIDE's Second Life Syndrome SYLVAN's Posthumous Silence Anything from UTOPIANISTI's The Third Frontier "Sunshine" and "Being Human" by BENT KNEE "Frosti" by BJÖRK "Crashmind" by FROM.UZ "Falling Down" by FROST* "Unsound" and "Wonderland" from FUNIN Anything from THE GABRIEL CONSTRUCT's Interior City "Culturismo Ballo Organizzare" or anything from Limiti all'eguaglianza della Parte con il Tutto by HOMUNCULUS RES Anything from HOYRY-KONE's Huono Parturi "One-Armed Bandit" and "Oban" by JAGA JAZZIST No tiengo miedo by KANT FREUD KAFKA "Slave" by LEPROUS "Transition" by LUNATIC SOUL "Cicatrix ESP" by THE MARS VOLTA "Mute" by NATIVE CONSTRUCT "Morpheus Miracle Worker" by NORTH SEA RADIO ORCHESTRA "You Can't Keep a Bad Man Down" by OCEANSIZE Anything from OOIOO's Taiga "Awakening" and "Heat of the Day" from PAT METHENY "Way Out of Here" and "Sleep Together" by PORCUPINE TREE "Oh, My Gravity!" and "God Left Us for a Black-Dressed Woman" by SEVEN IMPALE "Ny Batteri" and "Untitled #8 (Popplagið)" by SIGUR RÓS Try those and then tell me that prog is not alive and well post 1990! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: tempest_77
Date Posted: April 10 2018 at 21:16
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Not that I necessarily think modern prog is better persay, but these are the songs that reinforce my belief that prog is definitely alive and well. Let's start in 1992 and go in chronological order: "Metropolis, Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper" by Dream Theater "Ghost of Durtal" by Galahad "Further Away" by IQ "It's Ice" by Phish "Goodbye to All That" by Marillion "The Sky Moves Sideways" by Porcupine Tree "The Water" by Spock's Beard "Ænema" by Tool "An Accidental Man" and "This Strange Engine" by Marillion "Paranoid Android" by Radiohead "Universal Mind" and "When the Water Breaks" by LTE "The National Anthem" by Radiohead "At the End of the Day" by Spock's Beard "Citizen Erased" by Muse "Lateralus" by Tool "Time Consumer" by Coheed and Cambria "Wedding Nails" by Porcupine Tree "In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3" and "21:13" by Coheed and Cambria "Sacred Sound" and "Harvest of Souls" by IQ "The Invisible Man" and "Ocean Cloud" by Marillion The Willing Well suite by Coheed and Cambria "Knights of Cydonia" by Muse "As Far As the Mind Can See" by Spock's Beard "Vicarious" by Tool The End Complete suite by Coheed and Cambria "Empires Never Last" by Galahad "Way Out of Here" by Porcupine Tree "The Walls of Babylon" by Symphony X The Phantom on the Horizon EP by The Fall of Troy "Tempting Time" by Animals as Leaders "The Count of Tuscany" by Dream Theater "People and Their Lives" by The Fall of Troy "The Province of the King" by IQ "The Czar" by Mastodon The entirety of Part the Second by Maudlin of the Well "Exogenesis: Symphony" by Muse "In the Flame of Error" by Coheed and Cambria "Edge of the In Between" and "From the Darkness" by Spock's Beard "Breaking All Illusions" by Dream Theater "Concealing Fate" and "Eden" by TesseracT "Key Entity Extraction I: Domino the Destitute" and "Gravity's Union" by Coheed and Cambria "The Olive Tree" and "The Traveler" by Scale the Summit "Hiding Out" and "A Treasure Abandoned" by Spock's Beard "Luminol" by Steven Wilson "Of Matter" by TesseracT "Kascade" and "Tooth and Claw" by Animals as Leaders The whole album Descensus by Circa Survive The album The Road of Bones by IQ "Paper Moon" by Plini "Tides of Time" by Spock's Beard "Home Invasion / Regret #9" by Steven Wilson The whole album Handmade Cities by Plini "Caverns" by Thank You Scientist "Return to Earth" by The Contortionist "Belvedere" by Intervals The whole album Polygondwanaland by King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard (they're not in the archives yet, but I believe they are being considered for addition). "Roots Remain" by Mastodon The album From Silence to Somewhere by Wobbler "Blot" by Between the Buried and Me "Seas of Change" by Galahad
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Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: April 24 2018 at 02:25
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IMO overall modern prog is not better. There are only some songs that are better to me e. g. Sigur Ros - Dauðalogn. I haven't heard any band so special, etheral, angelic, sometimes childlike ... |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: April 24 2018 at 05:40
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Farmhouse Odyssey and Once and Future Band. Actually, screw that. I believe that as long as it's good music it doesn't matter if it's new or old. The thing is that nowadays there's more music in general, it's easier to make it and therefore there's more stinkers. ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 24 2018 at 06:37
None.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 09:28
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Transatlantic "Stranger In You Soul" The Flower Kings "Love Supreme" Neal Morse "The Door" The Tangent "In Earnest" Kaipa "A Complex Work Of Art" Steven Wilson "Luminol" Big Big Train "Folklore" Wobbler "From Silence To Somewhere" All the above are every bit as good as Classic Era Prog (in my opinion.) And there are lots more!!!
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 27 2018 at 12:17
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The following albums make me think that modern prog can be as good as or even better than classic period prog: Part The Second (Maudlin Of The Well)
------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |