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Topic: I found bands that are not in ProgArchives
Posted By: ClosetothSupperBrick
Subject: I found bands that are not in ProgArchives
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 14:36
I was on Youtube, not looking for obscure prog bands, mind you, just listened to stuff I already know, when I came across a video that was titled "10 Rare Progressive Rock Albums From The 70's", which naturally interested me. I clicked on it and was impressed at the fact that I only knew of three bands out of the 10 (McDonald and Giles, UK and Yezda Urfa), and I wondered how many of you (users on ProgArchives) knew of these 10 bands. So I looked up every one of them in the "ALL" list of bands. I got another, similar video in my recommended feed "The Rarest and most Expensive PROGRESSIVE ROCK vinyl records", which I viewed because I wanted to find a band not in the database, and sure enough, 5 popped up!

All 5 bands that I found:
OPUS 5* (Canada)
FLEA ON THE HONEY** (Italy)
RADIUS (Italy)
UNCLE DOG (UK)
ARMANDO PIAZZA (Italy)

* I found out after thinking I had found a new band that Opus 5 was listed under "Opus-5", but it should be changed to the correct name, "Opus 5" (no hyphen).
**Flea on the Honey was listed under "Flea", but their name is really "Flea on the Honey", so I think this should be changed.

Your thoughts on this anyone? Who has heard of any of these bands? How does a band get determined to be "prog enough" to be in the archives? How do I get them in Prog Archives' database and receive credit for them?



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Posted By: noni
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 14:59
Originally posted by ClosetothSupperBrick ClosetothSupperBrick wrote:

I was on Youtube, not looking for obscure prog bands, mind you, just listened to stuff I already know, when I came across a video that was titled "10 Rare Progressive Rock Albums From The 70's", which naturally interested me. I clicked on it and was impressed at the fact that I only knew of three bands out of the 10 (McDonald and Giles, UK and Yezda Urfa), and I wondered how many of you (users on ProgArchives) knew of these 10 bands. So I looked up every one of them in the "ALL" list of bands. I got another, similar video in my recommended feed "The Rarest and most Expensive PROGRESSIVE ROCK vinyl records", which I viewed because I wanted to find a band not in the database, and sure enough, 5 popped up!

All 5 bands that I found:
OPUS 5* (Canada)
FLEA ON THE HONEY** (Italy)
RADIUS (Italy)
UNCLE DOG (UK)
ARMANDO PIAZZA (Italy)

* I found out after thinking I had found a new band that Opus 5 was listed under "Opus-5", but it should be changed to the correct name, "Opus 5" (no hyphen).
**Flea on the Honey was listed under "Flea", but their name is really "Flea on the Honey", so I think this should be changed.

Your thoughts on this anyone? Who has heard of any of these bands? How does a band get determined to be "prog enough" to be in the archives? How do I get them in Prog Archives' database and receive credit for them?

I have Opus 5 but not the rest  you've mentioned!...Smile   Great band!!........


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 15:25
Hi there. We have a whole subdisvison of the forum entitled 'suggest new bands and artists   
Read this before venturing any further: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=96630

Oh and Opus-5 are here under jazz/fusion: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=978

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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 15:32


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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.


Posted By: Quinino
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 16:13
Originally posted by ClosetothSupperBrick ClosetothSupperBrick wrote:



* I found out after thinking I had found a new band that Opus 5 was listed under "Opus-5", but it should be changed to the correct name, "Opus 5" (no hyphen).
**Flea on the Honey was listed under "Flea", but their name is really "Flea on the Honey", so I think this should be changed.



Let me entertain a little theory here Geek

If a band has adopted more than one moniker (which is the case with both you mention)  I'm of the opinion we should ask ourselves:
- Is one of the variants significantly more used - 1st option
- Is one just  a shortened version - opt for the longer one
- Is there a chance of confusion with a different band - choose the less prone to make it happen

So - since the OP made the suggestion - who's willing to debate these 2 examples ?


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 17:58


Posted By: ClosetothSupperBrick
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 19:30
Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Originally posted by ClosetothSupperBrick ClosetothSupperBrick wrote:



* I found out after thinking I had found a new band that Opus 5 was listed under "Opus-5", but it should be changed to the correct name, "Opus 5" (no hyphen).
**Flea on the Honey was listed under "Flea", but their name is really "Flea on the Honey", so I think this should be changed.



Let me entertain a little theory here Geek

If a band has adopted more than one moniker (which is the case with both you mention)  I'm of the opinion we should ask ourselves:
- Is one of the variants significantly more used - 1st option
- Is one just  a shortened version - opt for the longer one
- Is there a chance of confusion with a different band - choose the less prone to make it happen

So - since the OP made the suggestion - who's willing to debate these 2 examples ?

All good points. I don't know if people care enough to debate for the name change. But I think we (Prog Archives) should try to use the most known name of a band, so people (like me) don't think the band is absent from the archives when you search the more well known name. I'll keep bringing this issue up, for Opus-5 to be Opus 5, and for Flea to become Flea on the Honey, until I get an important admin to at least think about it, or actually change these bands' names.


Posted By: ClosetothSupperBrick
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 19:31
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:



Cool song! Thanks for that link


Posted By: ClosetothSupperBrick
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 19:34
Originally posted by noni noni wrote:

Originally posted by ClosetothSupperBrick ClosetothSupperBrick wrote:

I was on Youtube, not looking for obscure prog bands, mind you, just listened to stuff I already know, when I came across a video that was titled "10 Rare Progressive Rock Albums From The 70's", which naturally interested me. I clicked on it and was impressed at the fact that I only knew of three bands out of the 10 (McDonald and Giles, UK and Yezda Urfa), and I wondered how many of you (users on ProgArchives) knew of these 10 bands. So I looked up every one of them in the "ALL" list of bands. I got another, similar video in my recommended feed "The Rarest and most Expensive PROGRESSIVE ROCK vinyl records", which I viewed because I wanted to find a band not in the database, and sure enough, 5 popped up!

All 5 bands that I found:
OPUS 5* (Canada)
FLEA ON THE HONEY** (Italy)
RADIUS (Italy)
UNCLE DOG (UK)
ARMANDO PIAZZA (Italy)

* I found out after thinking I had found a new band that Opus 5 was listed under "Opus-5", but it should be changed to the correct name, "Opus 5" (no hyphen).
**Flea on the Honey was listed under "Flea", but their name is really "Flea on the Honey", so I think this should be changed.

Your thoughts on this anyone? Who has heard of any of these bands? How does a band get determined to be "prog enough" to be in the archives? How do I get them in Prog Archives' database and receive credit for them?


I have Opus 5 but not the rest  you've mentioned!...Smile   Great band!!........


I feel good that someone knows one of them, that I wasn't just rambling about bands that no one has heard of...


Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: December 29 2017 at 22:22
Originally posted by ClosetothSupperBrick ClosetothSupperBrick wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:



Cool song! Thanks for that link


Sure is. I think they just released this track and one other as a single. Pity they didn’t continue

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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 30 2017 at 07:38
Originally posted by ClosetothSupperBrick ClosetothSupperBrick wrote:

I was on Youtube, not looking for obscure prog bands, mind you, just listened to stuff I already know, when I came across a video that was titled "10 Rare Progressive Rock Albums From The 70's", which naturally interested me. I clicked on it and was impressed at the fact that I only knew of three bands out of the 10 (McDonald and Giles, UK and Yezda Urfa), and I wondered how many of you (users on ProgArchives) knew of these 10 bands. So I looked up every one of them in the "ALL" list of bands. I got another, similar video in my recommended feed "The Rarest and most Expensive PROGRESSIVE ROCK vinyl records", which I viewed because I wanted to find a band not in the database, and sure enough, 5 popped up!

All 5 bands that I found:
OPUS 5* (Canada)
FLEA ON THE HONEY** (Italy)
RADIUS (Italy)
UNCLE DOG (UK)
ARMANDO PIAZZA (Italy)

* I found out after thinking I had found a new band that Opus 5 was listed under "Opus-5", but it should be changed to the correct name, "Opus 5" (no hyphen).
**Flea on the Honey was listed under "Flea", but their name is really "Flea on the Honey", so I think this should be changed.

Your thoughts on this anyone? Who has heard of any of these bands? How does a band get determined to be "prog enough" to be in the archives? How do I get them in Prog Archives' database and receive credit for them?


I didn't have time to respond in any depth when I mentioned the "Opus-5" album cover. Re an earlier comment, I'm not an "important admin", but for what it's worth.

I've known Opus-5 for many years. That plus Maneige and Sloche were early Quebec jazz-prog acquisitions of mine. And being very big on psych folk, I have heard Armando Piazza's Suan before.

We have "genre" teams that evaluate bands and decide if they are to be included. See "Please Read - Band Suggestion Procedure" in the Suggest New Bands forum: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=96630" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=96630 Preparing a detailed topic in that forum is the best way. As for getting credit: there is the credit of simply creating a topic, plus if you write an original bio that is used, then you can sign it with your name (e.g. "Bio written by..." You can't add the band, although anyone can add albums, and I have added many bios under the name of the one who did the work preparing the addition, but that's not generally the procedure here, and is not the default (and may be technically improper). Still, as I said, if you write an original bio, then you can credit yourself in it. I would suggest that you offer to write an original bio and have a band picture when you create your topic in Suggest New Bands (it also helps the team members).

Originally posted by ClosetothSupperBrick ClosetothSupperBrick wrote:


All good points. I don't know if people care enough to debate for the name change. But I think we (Prog Archives) should try to use the most known name of a band, so people (like me) don't think the band is absent from the archives when you search the more well known name. I'll keep bringing this issue up, for Opus-5 to be Opus 5, and for Flea to become Flea on the Honey, until I get an important admin to at least think about it, or actually change these bands' names.


I haven't checked Flea, but I know different sites use either Opus-5 or Opus 5 (I knew it as Opus-5). There is another Opus 5. Seems Opus 5 is more common for the Quebec band on the net, but if you look at the second album cover it is called Opus-5 on that (and on the first it's more like an exponential: Opus to the Power of Five). The forum for such things is "Report errors & omissions here", or Help Us Improve the Site can work for many discussions: See the topic "Report Errors and Omissions Here": http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726

If you're going to suggest changes then try to provide as much evidence as possible, including links and argument, so that it can be as easily checked and verified as possible (and of course that includes any links you come across that don't agree with your assertion). The burden of proof is on you, so you'll have the best luck if you try to make the case as thoroughly as possible.


Posted By: TheH
Date Posted: December 30 2017 at 09:14
Flea on the Honey just shorten their band name to Flea for their much more famous second album.
So no need for a correction here. By the way they also recorded their third album as "Etna" which is listed
on it's own.



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