For those who give a s**t
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Topic: For those who give a s**t
Posted By: Blacksword
Subject: For those who give a s**t
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 02:43
Self explanatory really. What, if anything keeps you awake at night?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 02:51
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 02:55
The only thing that keeps me awake at night are personal/family issue, or phone calls from work at 4am like this morning.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 03:26
There are far too many people on the planet. Humans are a virus in that sense. We just multiply in endless fashion until something stops us. If we cured cancer we'd be even more.
Most of the problems listed in this poll are directly influenced by the sheer numbers of people and how they continuously bicker about what is right or wrong.
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Posted By: bertolino
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 04:10
In a word: Trump!
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 05:26
Some of the issues in this list really bug me and I don't give a f**k for some others mentioned here. As a citizen of Western Europe, I picked the erosion of civil liberties: national governments acting as white-collar workers for the Evil Union which takes away the sovereignty of its member states step by step and the sickening culture of political correctness from which my country has got multifold portions lately in this time of the year.
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Posted By: bertolino
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 05:44
bertolino wrote:
In a word: Trump! |
Ishould have added that as i understand it Trump influences all by himself nearly all those issues, and not for the best; that said from a European citizen...
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Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 08:02
Guldbamsen wrote:
There are far too many people on the planet. Humans are a virus in that sense. We just multiply in endless fashion until something stops us. If we cured cancer we'd be even more.
Most of the problems listed in this poll are directly influenced by the sheer numbers of people and how they continuously bicker about what is right or wrong. |
Similar feeling here... Far too many humans fail to be eco-friendly. Humanity as we know it has many likeable achievements but is far from being the ideal form of life, and is at best a transitional specie.
Any cybernetician with reassuring ideas suggest a way out please ?
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Posted By: bertolino
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 08:17
jayem wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
There are far too many people on the planet. Humans are a virus in that sense. We just multiply in endless fashion until something stops us. If we cured cancer we'd be even more.
Most of the problems listed in this poll are directly influenced by the sheer numbers of people and how they continuously bicker about what is right or wrong. |
Similar feeling here... Far too many humans fail to be eco-friendly. Humanity as we know it has many likeable achievements but is far from being the ideal form of life, and is at best a transitional specie.
Any cybernetician with reassuring ideas suggest a way out please ? |
SF readers would hope we won't go for Asimov s solution on "The Foundation" cycle , ie burn the Earth in order to motivate human expansion to the stars... Myself i long for the first human walk on Mars!
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Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 08:27
Earth being the only place where humans can't behave, right ?...
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Posted By: bertolino
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 08:43
jayem wrote:
Earth being the only place where humans can't behave, right ?... |
Oups, for this one , as mainly french speaking and not being sure of the many levels of cleverness of your simple remark , i submitted it to Google translator... Still not satisfied As long as i can guess it i will try to comment that hopefully only the better ones would reach for the stars, and not the richest. Otherwise we're bound for the extinction of the whole universe...
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Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 09:12
Je reconnais devoir souvent corriger mes posts et n'en finis pas de me planter... À quand un Progarchives en français quoique ! Même dans ma langue maternelle ça coince souvent...Greatness happens to survive through generations, but many kids from people called great fail as well, so to me if humanity can't succeed (and we have to agree on how to define success) as the ultimate specie on Earth, it's unlikely it will anywhere else.
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Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 12:52
Erosion of civil liberties from that list. "We must not let terrorism disrupt our way of life!". No, because that's the governments job! And as a childless unmarried male I'm GLAD the government think I'm a threat!!
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 13:05
From this list, the erosion of civil liberties, by a wide margin. Outside the list, overpopulation and the destruction of nature.
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Posted By: bertolino
Date Posted: December 04 2017 at 14:09
jayem wrote:
Je reconnais devoir souvent corriger mes posts et n'en finis pas de me planter... À quand un Progarchives en français quoique ! Même dans ma langue maternelle ça coince souvent...Greatness happens to survive through generations, but many kids from people called great fail as well, so to me if humanity can't succeed (and we have to agree on how to define success) as the ultimate specie on Earth, it's unlikely it will anywhere else.
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Oh Génial deux francophones qui tentent de se parler en anglais! A bien y penser çà doit arriver souvent... Moi c'est Québécois de Paris, qui dit mieux...
Apologies to you all , when two french speaking persons try to discuss in english and are not sure of what they say or understand of the other... stange things can happen on Prog Archives...
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Posted By: bertolino
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 01:55
jayem wrote:
Je reconnais devoir souvent corriger mes posts et n'en finis pas de me planter... À quand un Progarchives en français quoique ! Même dans ma langue maternelle ça coince souvent...Greatness happens to survive through generations, but many kids from people called great fail as well, so to me if humanity can't succeed (and we have to agree on how to define success) as the ultimate specie on Earth, it's unlikely it will anywhere else.
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I slept on your english expressed point... in short it's a thing of wonder and i'm quite jealous of your hability to express yourself in anything else that your mother tongue. At the end i suppose that what leads to our different points of view on the subject (and your unassuming comment in french for that matter!) is that i'm an irredeemable optimist. You're still a great talk in such a few words...
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Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 10:39
Enchanté moi je suis resté autour de Lausanne, ayant quitté la Suisse 8 bons mois et quasi rien d'autre... On se croisera peut-être à un concert bientôt !
Mr Bertolino I can only wish you to get comments as uplifting as yours.
I can't help noticing that concise sentences could turn out to be eco-friendly, provided readers didn't spend too much time trying to figure out what those sentences mean, and cause the loss of many precious watts in doing so...
The less one can find edited posts of mine, the more you're right about my being unassuming, except if none of those posts was edited (in which case it would mean I lied).
Good luck to the Mars exploring team to be; and if you're to sleep again at the deciphering of this very post, I wish you the best of dreams !!
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Posted By: bertolino
Date Posted: December 05 2017 at 14:50
Mr Jayem your thoughts may well be enchanting my next nights; uplifting comments don't seem so much my "apanage" as i read this;
About the small sentences, it's your smallest one which perplexed me the most indeed...
concerts are nice things mostly of my past, as i've now to children, and as they are two small swimming machines, my time is well spent. But who knows, a Magma 50th would be in order; and i dream of a last Latimer's Camel concert. Guy Leblanc's death prevent me from the joy of seeing to Quebecois with him, but Pete Jones on keys would be such a feast. Any Steve Hackett could be another occasion, as i missed the last passage but brought my eleven years old son to the preceding one. This won't be in Lausanne though!
Amicalement
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Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 07 2018 at 09:51
Certainly the erosion of Civil Liberties after Brexit. Possibly some of the first to go are workers rights when the government wants to make Britain more profitable.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 08 2018 at 14:36
Guldbamsen wrote:
There are far too many people on the planet. Humans are a virus in that sense. We just multiply in endless fashion until something stops us. If we cured cancer we'd be even more.
Most of the problems listed in this poll are directly influenced by the sheer numbers of people and how they continuously bicker about what is right or wrong. |
From the list The rise of the far right/collpase of liberalism, but this is my answer for in general. Not just too many humans, but especially the worst qualities of humanity that bubble up and stick with large swathes of stupid/ignorant public. Humanity really is just a waste of universal processing power.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 05:28
Man With Hat wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
There are far too many people on the planet. Humans are a virus in that sense. We just multiply in endless fashion until something stops us. If we cured cancer we'd be even more.
Most of the problems listed in this poll are directly influenced by the sheer numbers of people and how they continuously bicker about what is right or wrong. |
From the list <span style="display: inline !imant; : none; : transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18.2px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">The rise of the far right/collpase of liberalism, but this is my answer for in general. Not just too many humans, but especially the worst qualities of humanity that bubble up and stick with large swathes of stupid/ignorant public. Humanity really is just a waste of universal processing power. </span> |
In times of economic decline, you always see a rise of the right, as the people look for scapegoats for the problems. By and large people are not intelligent or informed enough to understand the economics and government policy that leads to the problem, and helped by a compliant media, our leaders are able to divert attention from their unhealthy symbiotic relationship with the banking industry, and onto immigrant populations, and the poor.
If I were more intelligent and better educated - and had more time! - I'd be interested in studying the social psychology that underpins the kind of challenges we're seeing globally.
This article is worth a read. It's pretty good by BBC standards, and far more candid about such a dark subject than you would expect a western state broadcaster to be.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/new_reply_form.asp?Quote=1&PID=5521403&PN=1&TR=20" rel="nofollow - BBC - How western civilization could collapse
The wealth divide creating ill feeling and class division, the passing on of blame to those of other ethnicities, religions or nationalaties instead of the architects of the problems themselves and of course the rejection of evidence based fact in favour of emotionally charged opinions based on nothing but media reportage, all indictors of a civilization moving very much in the wrong direction. It seems not to have happened by accident IMO. There appears to have been a gargantuan move on the part of governments and corporations to ensure the hoarding of wealth at the top of the pile, and the deliberate and strategic witholding of money from where it's actually needed. It appears they are trying to manufacture class division, racial tension and mistrust.
That's before we even get onto Brexit, the Middle East, Russia and North Korea.
Tick tock tick tock tick tock...
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 17:11
Guldbamsen wrote:
There are far too many people on the planet. Humans are a virus in that sense. We just multiply in endless fashion until something stops us. If we cured cancer we'd be even more.
Most of the problems listed in this poll are directly influenced by the sheer numbers of people and how they continuously bicker about what is right or wrong. |
Agreed. I would suggest sending condoms to third world countries instead of food, or give women Long-Acting Reversible Contraceptives (like a hormonal contraceptive implant) before they can get foodstuffs. I am sick and tired of seeing babies die of starvation and malnutrition because the parents (who are also starving) won't desist from sexual activity or practice safe sex because of superstitions or ignorance. Or both.
Make birth control a precondition to aid.
Climate change is directly related in many cases to overpopulation and overuse/erosion of land. You'd make a sizable dent in much of the world's issues by dropping anticipated human populations in a significant manner. I am not advocating killing the living.
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 17:26
The problems are not due to overpopulation but rather to the
overall vibration of the heart.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 21:18
Climate change and the multiple negative effects of tech addiction throughout an entire generation.
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Posted By: condor
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 22:42
How about slavery and sex trafficking?
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Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 03:28
The Dark Elf wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
There are far too many people on the planet. Humans are a virus in that sense. We just multiply in endless fashion until something stops us. If we cured cancer we'd be even more.
Most of the problems listed in this poll are directly influenced by the sheer numbers of people and how they continuously bicker about what is right or wrong. |
Agreed. I would suggest sending condoms to third world countries instead of food, or give women Long-Acting Reversible Contraceptives (like a hormonal contraceptive implant) before they can get foodstuffs. I am sick and tired of seeing babies die of starvation and malnutrition because the parents (who are also starving) won't desist from sexual activity or practice safe sex because of superstitions or ignorance. Or both.
Make birth control a precondition to aid.
Climate change is directly related in many cases to overpopulation and overuse/erosion of land. You'd make a sizable dent in much of the world's issues by dropping anticipated human populations in a significant manner. I am not advocating killing the living.
| One problem with this is that in many second or third world countries people will have children for economic reasons, so that the children can help make the family money and to take care of the parents when they get too old. To really take away the incentive you'd also have to have a strong financial safety net for the parents, which is of course very difficult to maintain in such countries. So yes, them having children is a major problem but trying to solve that alone won't get them out of the poverty cycle that got them into this in the first place. (Also it's not like that many people are individually living from 'aid', that's mostly not how it works)
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 12 2018 at 03:47
condor wrote:
How about slavery and sex trafficking? |
Both are absolutely sickening of course, but come under "Human rights abuses" I would say.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 03 2018 at 13:51
Erosion of civil liberties sums it up nicely!
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Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: March 13 2018 at 15:17
I voted "Other."
When I look at the state of things, my biggest concern is societal/cultural mental health.
In a nutshell, I believe there is a near-psychotic break with reality happening en masse.
Many people are no longer able to recognize a linkage between cause and effect; between actions and consequences. Taking personal responsibility for one's own poor choices/decisions is becoming rarer with each passing day.
Add to that, the popular (but completely wrong) notion that one can "redefine" reality to suit themselves.
It's a recipe for disaster, and we're definitely starting to reap what we've sown.
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