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Topic: What makes you depressed.Posted By: condor
Subject: What makes you depressed.
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 11:02
People not appreciating fine music
Replies: Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 11:03
Discussing what makes me depressed......
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 11:48
Old friends.
Many of them have become so sensitive (easily offended) as we grow older.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 11:54
I've never been depressed, why do people use this word so lightly? Sad, yes I have been, even very sad, but depressed, no way.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 11:55
I pretty much get depressed every time I hear the word depressed.
"I've had some dark nights of the soul, of course, but giving in to depression would be a sellout, a defeat" (Christopher Hitchens).
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 12:05
Living and observing life, most days
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 12:14
Cristi wrote:
I've never been depressed, why do people use this word so lightly? Sad, yes I have been, even very sad, but depressed, no way.
Neither do I even if I came pretty close once, glad I took the right decisions at the right time (quit my job and total rest for a whole six months, was a pretty rough time). In fact it was more like a burn-out than a depression but be careful when you say 'no way' Cris, you never know man.
Talking about real depression here. Not the 'normal' seasonal one.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 12:15
Barbu wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I've never been depressed, why do people use this word so lightly? Sad, yes I have been, even very sad, but depressed, no way.
Neither do I even if I came pretty close once, glad I took the right decisions at the right time (quit my job and total rest for a whole six months, was a pretty rough time). In fact it was more like a burn-out than a depression but be careful when you say 'no way' Cris, you never know man.
Talking about real depression here. Not the 'normal' seasonal one.
I've been diagnosed with clinical depression, but I try not to get down about it.
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 12:26
Logan wrote:
Barbu wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I've never been depressed, why do people use this word so lightly? Sad, yes I have been, even very sad, but depressed, no way.
Neither do I even if I came pretty close once, glad I took the right decisions at the right time (quit my job and total rest for a whole six months, was a pretty rough time). In fact it was more like a burn-out than a depression but be careful when you say 'no way' Cris, you never know man.
Talking about real depression here. Not the 'normal' seasonal one.
I've been diagnosed with clinical depression, but I try not to get down about it.
However silly that may sound: Don't give up, man.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 12:35
Logan wrote:
Barbu wrote:
[QUOTE=Cristi] I've never been depressed, why do people use this word so lightly? Sad, yes I have been, even very sad, but depressed, no way.
Neither do I even if I came pretty close once, glad I took the right decisions at the right time (quit my job and total rest for a whole six months, was a pretty rough time). In fact it was more like a burn-out than a depression but be careful when you say 'no way' Cris, you never know man.
so far, so good.
no one ever knows...
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 12:54
Depression is a state of low mood and aversion to activity that can affect a person's thoughts, behavior, feelings, and sense of well-being. A depressed mood is a normal temporary reaction to life events such as loss of a loved one. It is also a symptom of some physical diseases and a side effect of some drugs and medical treatments. Depressed mood is also a symptom of some mood disorders such as major depressive disorder and dysthymia.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 14:09
Barbu wrote:
Logan wrote:
Barbu wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I've never been depressed, why do people use this word so lightly? Sad, yes I have been, even very sad, but depressed, no way.
Neither do I even if I came pretty close once, glad I took the right decisions at the right time (quit my job and total rest for a whole six months, was a pretty rough time). In fact it was more like a burn-out than a depression but be careful when you say 'no way' Cris, you never know man.
Talking about real depression here. Not the 'normal' seasonal one.
I've been diagnosed with clinical depression, but I try not to get down about it.
However silly that may sound: Don't give up, man.
I've accepted that depression is a pert of me, and I live with it and try to manage it, but I do try not to worry about it too much. With a good diet, exercise, some meditation, setting goals and accomplishing tasks, some entertainment and pushing myself to have some fun, it's quite manageable. I know this so disgustingly cliche, but laughter really can be the best medicine. Sharing a few laughs with people goes a long way, I find. Maintaining a sense of humour while in depression can be hard, but even then I find that many people love gallows humour (morbid jokes) when they are down. On that note, thanks, I plan to keep hanging on.... ;)
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 14:22
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 14:52
Having suffered a depressive breakdown in my late teens and then again in my mid 30s I can say it was no laughing matter.. Pun intended.. I have managed to develop a much thicker skin and a stronger, more balanced sense of myself. Facing your fears and taking yourself out of your comfort zone is really hard but pays dividends in the long run. As ive got older I find I can manage it and have developed a much more laid back in my approach to life and, yes, laughter and love are the most important and best medicines you can give yourself.
What makes me feel depressed? Mostly Man's inhumanity to Man. other lifeforms and the planet in general.
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Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 15:51
Things that make me depressed:
1. Agitation Free ruining two otherwise great albums with the same godawful guitar solo
2. Loneliness
3. Aimlessness
4. Low Self-Esteem
5. Loss
(the influence of 2-5 being comparably negligble)
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 19:23
Insomnia.
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Posted By: Darious
Date Posted: September 14 2017 at 22:15
Kitsch art, that gets a wide appreciation, or even some commercial success, due to a poor taste of most of its audience. It does often get me depressed and feeling lonely.
Unintelligent solipsists, on the other hand, only annoy me. They will get their karma one day, that's for sure.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 10:09
Intelligent solipsists tend to annoy me, or at least I suspect they would if I came across them more. ;) The self is an illusion....
Anyway, what depresses me most is problems that my family are going through. Also, like Barbu, Insomnia. I can't remember the last night I slept more than three hours, and the less I sleep the less I can remember. For ages I was addicted to Zopiclone, but that stuff was toxic (I get very painful leg cramps at night). Last night I used Melatonin. Another thing that depresses me is knowing that I've written worthless long posts that add nothing of value to discussion, or don't lead to any discussion. A Although I have a wife and kids, I lead an isolated life. In work I communicate by emails, but it's very impersonal and am conversation starved. Like Cosmic, I think that love is of primary importance, and also it is very important to push oneself outside of one's comfort zone, and by posting I am pushing myself out of my comfort zone as I have social anxiety (not noticeable to those that I meet, but it exists), but I always fear how it will be taken (yet I'm not careful enough to write things in a way that doesn't ever come across as confrontational or unfriendly). Also, sharing personal things pushes me out of my comfort zone, but I know that I appreciate it when people do so they become more three dimensional, actual people rather than just words on a screen (feel you get to know the person behind the words somewhat, which also helps to understand how people communicate and what their interests are, which can give the posts some more depth and affect how you communicate with someone). The golden rule of treating others as you would wish to be treated is important to remind oneself of sometimes, as is the principle of charity in any debate.
For those who may not be familiar with the principle of charity, it's, to lazily borrow a definition that comes up on google, "a methodological presumption made in seeking to understand a point of view whereby we seek to understand that view in its strongest, most persuasive form before subjecting the view to evaluation."
In general, aloof people can depress me. Even say with a cashier, I hope for some personal connection when I buy my groceries (a smile and a laugh goes a long way with me) and that makes me feel kinship. That said, being shy, I've been called aloof, and when one is having a bad day one might across as flustered or unfriendly. I like people who are quick to laugh and slow to anger. it also depresses me that nobody found that Mental Health Hotline video funny, or commented on it. That which we find funny is that which we tend to identify with. As I always tell myself, try to live without expectations of others, but have expectations for oneself.
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 10:45
Totally out of the blue @Logan but whenever I see a post by you I read the whole thing. I don't often reply because frankly to sound half as knowledgeable as you I'd have to spend an hour researching whatever the subject might be. Greatly enjoy learning from your posts. Also us Canucks have to stick together (supposedly). =)
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Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 11:13
Logan wrote:
it also depresses me that nobody found that Mental Health Hotline video funny, or commented on it. That which we find funny is that which we tend to identify with. As I always tell myself, try to live without expectations of others, but have expectations for oneself.
I actually found that video hysterical; ended up watching it three or four times. The "depressive" bit got me each time. There's never a guarantee of what kind of impact we've made. Sometimes I wish a given post of mine (or an action made in real life, for that matter) had garnered more of a reaction, but there's no telling the unseen consequences. Personally, I worry too much about whether a given post of mine will be "edifying" enough, and I delete one or two drafted posts for every time I actually comment on here. Perhaps sometimes it's acceptable to merely say, "nice job" or "neat video". That'd probably help me out in personal conversations as well, I've always been horrible at small talk, but of course it's hard to graduate to "real" conversations without palavering a little beforehand.
I see what you mean about the paradox of expecting warmth without exhibiting it firsthand. Most of my affection or appreciation for others goes unexpressed, or layered behind sardonic, narcissistic jokes. Lately, I've made an effort to nod or wave to acquantances, to offer at least the slightest hint of recognition and respect. So it it makes any difference, I frequently gain a great deal from your posts *collapses*
Well I wrote other, more revealing things, before removing them. So that wraps up this edition of Therapy: The Progarchives Approach. Thanks for joing us, folks!
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 11:19
I get somewhat depressed when I am suddenly reminded of a case of suffering in myself or another living thing, that is unable to be averted or fixed. Suffering sucks, but I guess we learn through pain, though.
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 11:29
Logan wrote:
that Mental Health Hotline video
Not as funny as the dude who doesn't eat during the week but gain 200 pounds on Sundays but it was indeed excellent, Greg. I suspect many fellows here have a great sense of humour but sadly not a lot shows it. Why? I have a theory about it but I think it's better I keep this to myself.
HemispheresOfXanadu wrote:
Totally out of the blue @Logan but whenever I see a post by you I read the whole thing. I don't often reply because frankly to sound half as knowledgeable as you I'd have to spend an hour researching whatever the subject might be. Greatly enjoy learning from your posts. Also us Canucks have to stick together (supposedly). =)
The Frog agrees...and I'll add that The Logan Man is surely one of most appreciated dude around, always interesting and witty.
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 13:57
QUOTE] The Frog agrees...and I'll add that The Logan Man is surely one of most appreciated dude around, always interesting and witty. [/QUOTE]
The Devon tractor driver agrees also!!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 15 2017 at 15:43
Thanks guys, it's really appreciated. And yes, Barbu, The Butterfield Diet one is funny. That's from a TV show call the Peter Serafinowicz Show... More recently he's made something of a name for himself as Sassy Trump, Sophisticated Trump, Racist Trump, Liberace Trump, Bitchy trump, Gay Trump and Compassionate Trump. And I was surprised in a Matt Berry song when I first heard Paul McCartney singing (but it was Peter S.). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E7r7vlJ_tU" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E7r7vlJ_tU
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mechanicalflattery wrote:
Logan wrote:
it also depresses me that nobody found that Mental Health Hotline video funny, or commented on it. That which we find funny is that which we tend to identify with. As I always tell myself, try to live without expectations of others, but have expectations for oneself.
I actually found that video hysterical; ended up watching it three or four times. The "depressive" bit got me each time. There's never a guarantee of what kind of impact we've made. Sometimes I wish a given post of mine (or an action made in real life, for that matter) had garnered more of a reaction, but there's no telling the unseen consequences. Personally, I worry too much about whether a given post of mine will be "edifying" enough, and I delete one or two drafted posts for every time I actually comment on here. Perhaps sometimes it's acceptable to merely say, "nice job" or "neat video". That'd probably help me out in personal conversations as well, I've always been horrible at small talk, but of course it's hard to graduate to "real" conversations without palavering a little beforehand.
I see what you mean about the paradox of expecting warmth without exhibiting it firsthand. Most of my affection or appreciation for others goes unexpressed, or layered behind sardonic, narcissistic jokes. Lately, I've made an effort to nod or wave to acquantances, to offer at least the slightest hint of recognition and respect. So it it makes any difference, I frequently gain a great deal from your posts *collapses*
Well I wrote other, more revealing things, before removing them. So that wraps up this edition of Therapy: The Progarchives Approach. Thanks for joing us, folks!
I'm not good at small talk either, and I know that I don't show as much appreciation as I think I should -- especially to my kids. I'm very grateful for all the things I have, and shouldn't need to grasp for more.
presdoug wrote:
I get somewhat depressed when I am suddenly reminded of a case of suffering in myself or another living thing, that is unable to be averted or fixed. Suffering sucks, but I guess we learn through pain, though.
That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger, or leaves us hopelessly crippled.
Going Buddhist:
“When we direct our attention toward our suffering, we see our potential for happiness. We see the nature of suffering and the way out. That is why the Buddha called suffering a holy truth. When we use the word “suffering” in Buddhism, we mean the kind of suffering that can show us the way out.” ― Thich Nhat Hanh, The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching
Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 03:38
^Happiness can have a different meaning for another individual , and imply completely diverse ways of pursuing it. I personally reckon that there couldn't be nothing better or greater than get to make other people happy.
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Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 04:37
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 08:35
Tillerman88 wrote:
^Happiness can have a different meaning for another individual , and imply completely diverse ways of pursuing it. I personally reckon that there couldn't be nothing better or greater than get to make other people happy.
Yes, I agree with that. Being unselfish, giving and kind goes a long way towards happiness, and such people often lead longer and happier lives (read numerous studies on this). I'm not good at it in practice as I'm something of a lazy selfish prick. I think a balance of introspection (inner directed observation) and a looking outwards care/ thoughtfulness for others would work best for me. I believe that my own depression, and social anxiety certainly, has been symptomatic of too much selfishness (worrying more about myself and others perception of me than acting to help others and thinking about them).
On a tangential note, influenced in part by psychologist Paul Bloom, I favour rational compassion to certain types of empathy. I am an empathetic individual, and empathy can be great and is useful, but feeling other people's pain overmuch, or I should say one's perception of that person's pain as it's a type of self-identification, can stop one from helping others as it can become overwhelming and burn one out. Peter Singer is very interesting when it comes to effective altruism, and if you don't know him, I think you'd find him interesting.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 16 2017 at 08:36
what makes me depressed... hmmmm...
I've come to terms with my past and the things I've done so that doesn't really do it anymore..
so it is isn't the past.... could it be the future? Nah.. I plan to be dead well before I find myself pissing and drooling on myself while min wage morons are smoking dope instead of cleaning my up or generally caring for me.. old age and me will hopefully never intersect. The thought of it DOES depress the hell out of me.
so out with past I came to terms with and a future I have no plans to see.. so that would leave the present?
nah... life is too good to ever let the idiocy and ignorance of the present day really get me down.
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