Too Old to Rock and Roll? Yea or Nay?
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Topic: Too Old to Rock and Roll? Yea or Nay?
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Too Old to Rock and Roll? Yea or Nay?
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 04:14
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Yea: Ian Anderson Gary Brooker Yes Nay: Annie Haslam Roger Waters David Gilmour Roy Harper Robert Fripp Dave Cousins Rod Agent What's your list of Yea and Nay of old geezers in prog? I think that we will find the nay lists to be very short or non existent.
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Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 05:48
| I dunno. This latest incarnation of Crimson just tells me that it's time for the retirement home. I passed on a couple of free tickets to see them in Toronto in July. I'll stick to my 70s LPs. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 05:58
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Yea...The Stones. They need to turn it in, they really do. They look and sound awful IMO. As for prog musicians, I'm not sure any are really too old really. They don't tend to strut and swagger as per rock 'n' roll bands, it's about the music, not the image, so they can get away with doing what they do into old age, or relative old age. IMO. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 05:59
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Dunno, but they're all too young to die. ------------- 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 06:02
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^^ Spot on. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 16:26
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Gilmour still seems to bring it. Not sure why he should call it. The guy clearly lives and breathes music. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 20:07
My God, man! I first saw LTIA King Crimson (no Jamie Muir) April 20, 1973, and have seen KC many times since... The show I witnessed on Sept 14, 2014 was perhaps the BEST prog-rock concert I'd ever seen, period!! It was that good....My friend who was with me agreed (he went back to Yes' first USA concert). We had Mellotrons (iPad version), Fripp in amazing form, same for Levin, Jakko doing a fantastic job on Lake and Wetton vocals and playing some excellent guitar, three drummers....this was the stage.  |
Kepler62 wrote:Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 20:18
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I saw Devo a few years ago. They had a young drummer that kicked ass and made the rest of band really sharp despite the older members not looking like spring chickens. Mostly good because the last album was as good as classic Devo. Most bands though should give it a rest. I think bands like the Beatles had the right idea. End it in your peak and let your legendary status not be bogged down by mediocrity. One of the few exceptions is VDGG. Their last album was excellent despite not being as OMG perfect as their 70s heyday. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 20:19
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Also, i saw Magma live last year and i was blown away by how awesome Christian Zander can play at his tender young age of close to 70! ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 23:41
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Steve Hackett can still bring it, and he never appears to age anyway! ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: June 20 2017 at 00:42
4 Times now I have seen them. And really, they are the only classic era band I will bother to see. There are so many new acts I like that play smaller venues. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: June 20 2017 at 03:51
Dumbest post of 2017! You even beat me, dude.  ------------- |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 20 2017 at 04:29
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I would go see most of these old geezers in a live setting, sure, but I am not even slightly interested in hearing a new album from Floyd/Tull/Crimson/Procol/etc etc. All these folls have pretty much said what they wanted to say musically even if they preface every new release with 'oh this is my best work to date and I really feel I've ventured into new and exciting musical venues'...and the album ends up sounding exactly like it's predecessor. Most musicians lull into this nauseatingly comfortable mode once they've hit their stride and then they stay - like a dog glued to a step. There are exceptions though but they are rare. Better and far more interesting to keep an eye on the musicians that still wee standing up. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 20 2017 at 12:27
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They are all too old to 'rock n roll'....imho , but if they come to a theater by me I'll probably go see them. I haven't bought anything by Yes, Tull, Floyd solo things or Genesis when they were still recording for years now...I will pick up any new KC but they have always been my favorite prog group. Like someone else said I play the old 70's stuff mostly....and a few newer bands . I saw the Moody Blues recently and while they did a decent job they are a bit too old imho to be doing rock and roll and the drummer Edge even commented on his recent birthday of turning 75. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: June 20 2017 at 14:49
Ah but since when was Rock'N'Roll Prog Rock? 
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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: June 20 2017 at 16:51
James Labrie in DT.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 21 2017 at 09:58
I am a big proponent of bands like Yes calling it quits and I have never seen JTull and really don't want to, too old! I have seen Clapton several times, but prolly no more as he is getting frail. Even band like Scorpions who I have seen many times in the 80's, today both Klaus and Rudolf struggle physically. Seeing them in Sept and will prolly be the last time, I prefer the 80's version of Rudolf running around the stage like a madman, vs him just standing there. But King Crimson, nahhhh. You gotta go see the current tour, sure Fripp barely moves in his spot, but he never has. The music is very old, but it does not play old and Jakko does a fantastic job on the vocals, even my wife complimented him on his vocals she was impressed. I would see them again....... -------------   
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 21 2017 at 10:10
Your wife dug Jakko's vox? Now that's a heavy endorsement!  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 21 2017 at 10:43
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She had no clue who KC were, but she comes to all my concerts. Of course many she knows the name of the band but does not really listen much to the music unless we are in the car and I am playing it. She has her favs like Rush, Scorps, DT, Neal Morse.....but anything heavy progressive not much of a clue. She knows Steven Wilson now as the guy who plays barefoot, we have seen him twice now. On the drive to see the Crim I gave her a 20min history lesson on KC, after the show she commented on Fripps sound that she liked, she said "what kind of guitar does he play"? She said he was too stoic, I said honey he is like 71yrs old, she was like whaaaaatt??  -------------
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 07:24
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I was completely underwhelmed by Crimson's Live at the Orpheum album but with regards to the OP, would reluctantly agree that Fripp and Co have never remotely cared if they were considered part of what is marketed to us as Rock 'n' Roll. The latest Procol Harum album (Novum) is really a Gary Brooker solo release (seeing as how none of the original members are on it, including lyricist Keith Reid) but it ain't bad as far as singer/songwriter piano driven ennui goes a.k.a bus passers singing about a past that never even happened in the first place. Gary's record company know that the PH franchise carries more weight than GB. Yes and Ian Anderson should be euthanized as soon as practicable and humane to anyone even remotely concerned. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 08:25
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I'd always have thought and expected that Can can go on forever doing new original progressive and always developing music, their members, that is, in solo projects. And indeed Jaki Liebezeit came out with such exciting music straight to his death, RIP.  Irmin and Holger have been somewhat quieter recently but they soon hit 80. There's some dazzling stuff that they recorded in the sixties and early seventies though. I saw Asmus Tietchens last year and even had a small chat with him (that's not difficult, he attracts crowds of 70 or so) and he showed no signs whatsoever of decline. Steve Hackett seems like still in his forties, he can go on for some decades. The latest offerings by VDGG are just fine, although the last one can all too easily be interpreted as a swansong, lyrics-wise. I'd love to see Renaissance live these days although I don't expect anything new and original from them, same Camel. With KC I'm not so sure; Fripp may just decide to surprise once more. Gilmour and Waters still deserve an ear, Yes, Genesis and Tull/Anderson are pretty much heroes of the past for me for ages. If Tim Smith gets his hands on some music again at some point (and some think this may happen), that'd be a dream come true. Granted, he's not quite that old but after what he has been through... |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 08:42
| I've seen a few older bands but the only yea I can think of is Amon Düül II, it was absolutely terrible. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 08:45
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Were they Amon Dull? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 09:01
| It was worse than dull. Most musicians were over 70, the band had two drummers, each playing at a different speed. The rest of the band just playing on their own, since no one could follow them (and probably couldn't, even if they played right). To top this, the sound was painfully loud. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 09:23
| Linda Perhacs |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 09:42
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^Linda may have rolled a few but she never rocked. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 10:37
| For a guy who has never seen the Chimacum Rain you seem to know a lot about it. Thinking Linda's creativity was or is fueled by drugs is a sad assumption. I guess we need to put something catchy at the bottom of our posts. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 10:46
| http://www.npr.org/2014/03/05/283049017/the-legend-of-linda-perhacs-a-most-unlikely-rock-star |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 11:51
Now, wouldn't it be nice if we all could be like that?  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 12:02
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: June 23 2017 at 14:27
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A couple of ways to look at this topic. On the one hand age does take a toll on all of us & it seems some of the vocalists show the effects more than other band members. Roger Daltrey, Ian Gillan, Geddy Lee all sounded better 20 years ago than they do now. On the other hand I think you can still go and enjoy a show even is the artists are not quite what they use to be. I took my kids to see Sir Paul last summer. His voice was a little shaky but his energy was great and he did a great show. ( & he's a friggin' Beatle so that counts for a lot!) |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: June 25 2017 at 16:05
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Saw Crim last night. They are still worthy. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 25 2017 at 18:20
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Saw Robin Trower. Dude can still jam at 72. I mean really jam. His newer releases are quite good as well. I gave up on Ian Anderson several years ago. His voice is cringe-worthy, and without Martin Barre there really is no connection to Tull any longer. He should stick with the orchestral tours because he plays as great as always. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 25 2017 at 23:00
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I saw Anderson-Ponty Band a while back, both of those old gents gave a great show & can still put out a great new product. Will see Crimson in a few days, can't wait!! Those who had instrumental talent in their 20s and 30s seem to still have it in their 60s and 70s. Richie Blackmore, Steve Howe, the list is quite long. However, it is sad to see an artist like Ian Anderson go beyond their date due to loss of vocals. Some do need to give it up.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 26 2017 at 04:23
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Yes, I agree about old timers that struggle to sing. I can't imagine anyone going to a current Renaissance concert if Annie Haslam now sounded like Roger Chapman, but to each his own I suppose. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 26 2017 at 15:53
I also won't go to see Anderson anymore...Tull is gone. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 06 2017 at 08:10
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Listening to Phil Collins on the last Genesis tour in 2007, I thought his voice was going. The band having to transpose songs down so he can manage the high notes, didn't sound good to me. They seemed to be playing some tracks slower too, notably Behnind the Lines and Turn it on again. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 06 2017 at 09:06
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Gary Brooker's voice sounds rather shot on the latest PH. If only he had thought of gargling with salt water first before entering the recording studio. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 07 2017 at 09:50
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Gary knows every trick in the book in regards to taking care of his voice. He prefers Ricola cough drops in a pinch. So, if he can't fix his voice, then it's really broke. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: ProfPanglos
Date Posted: July 25 2017 at 17:24
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Ian Anderson lost his mojo decades ago, unfortunately. I concur with others here, Crim is currently at their peak - saw them in earlier decades, and recently in 2014 and 2017, and they have never been tighter or more visceral. Also concur with others here regarding C. Vander/Magma. Saw them in both 2016 and 2017 - ferocious.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 19 2017 at 06:10
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yay - Peter Gabriel, Deep Purple, Steve Hackett, and even Kansas (last year's albums was great) nay - DT - take a break please, The Astonishing sukt. Geoof Tate, take a break, too
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: September 19 2017 at 09:09
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I'd add Ian Anderson to my 'yay' list...Thick as a Brick 2 & Homo Erraticus are the best things he's done in many years...even his vocals sound good again ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 20 2017 at 14:44
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The album Too Old to Rock and Roll' by Tull showed way back then that Anderson was a little round the bend. It and Heavy Horses leave me absolutely cold. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Kingsnake
Date Posted: September 21 2017 at 01:28
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I heard some decent releases by some of my favorite bands the last 10 years: John Lees' Barclay James Harvest Ian Anderson Justin Hayward Fish Saga (Michael Sadler) Roger Taylor Wishbone Ash (Andy Powell) Eloy (Frank Bornemann) Uriah Heep (Bernie Shaw) Renaissance (Annie Haslam) And of all the singers of back then, that still perform, the only one I think whose voice doesn't sound good anymore is Les Holroyd (the other Barclay James Harvest). I think (by the way) that Fish officially quit. And Saga quit aswell, but I don't know what Michael Sadler will do in the future. I don't really listen to music I don't like, so I don't know about the other old bands and singers.
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Posted By: Zeptember
Date Posted: October 11 2017 at 03:49
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Matilda Smith-Williams Home For The Aged Bingo and buggy rides Wheelchairs and early nights Matilda Smith-Williams Home For The Aged And if you smuggle in Another drop of gin We’ll take your hearing aid away They never hear what you say  |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 11 2017 at 09:22
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Feel like it depends on how you position yourself and your material more than anything else. More or less all the classic rock bands are just preposterous doing the material they used to do. I am very impressed with how Steve Hackett continues to produce work of such quality. |
Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: October 11 2017 at 12:35
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yay dream theater ,moody blues and deep purple nay yes,led zeppelin and genesis it,s been done enough already |
Posted By: Zeptember
Date Posted: October 14 2017 at 03:17
| Well I´m too old to care. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 14 2017 at 16:21
Ditto..... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: October 16 2017 at 14:50
| They're all too old!!! |
Posted By: Larkstongue41
Date Posted: October 16 2017 at 17:41
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They definitely can still rock n' roll. The latest KC tour was proof of that. It's creativity that seems to fade away at a certain age... ------------- "Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely. Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar." |
Posted By: Zeptember
Date Posted: October 18 2017 at 04:04
Very true.
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