Back during the whole Radiohead situatuion, I remember a few people asking about Miles Davis, and whether he could be considered for the archives.  Why did nobody mention Coltrane?  It's a personal belif of mine, but if Miles hadn't met and played with Coltrane, we wouldn't have had albums like Bitches' Brew, or the Fusion movement as it was then. 

I'm not calling for his inclusion in the archives (unless there's a strong call for it, which I'd think that there isn't considering the way some of you act about additions), but I was just wondering why no one talked about him and his influence on Jazz music, and and in a roundabout way, Prog.

Coltrane was a wonderful musician! There could be a "jazz for progheads" section, where to add John, Miles and the others!

i think my farvorite recording of him is A love supreme, the grove of the 1st part of the suite is just so killer.

Eetu Pellonpää wrote: Coltrane was a wonderful musician! There could be a "jazz for progheads" section, where to add John, Miles and the others!

But only if such a section were created... if any musician at all had been progressive, it was Coltrane, but he definitely wasn't prog.  

"Jazz for Progheads" sounds nice....and I fail to see how Coltrane wasn't "prog".

I think "prog" stands for artistic rock music, which emerged after psychedelic movement 68,69 or something... Didn't Coltrane pass away around 1965 or something?'

I found a nice CD from local library, which contains a live version of "Love Supreme". It was nice!

Fantômas wrote: Mr. John Coltrane was one of earth's greatest musicians! Just to imagine what he would do in the 70's, well, I become quite sad because, after all, he didn't... Me, myself, I believe Jazz is MUCH richier than prog rock. Free-Jazz and Avant-Garde Jazz are simply BEAUTIFUL things, I love it! Yet, I think that the purpose of the site is ProgRock, and its many currents... Of course, the website is somewhat incomplete on the avant-garde side and have many non-prog stuff (but it's the best archive of the theme on the internet, as I can recall), but the addition on Miles Davis and John Coltrane wouldn't be good because it's very 'far' of what it should be. Well, they can make an as-good-as JazzArchive, man, that surely would be NICE.

Check out Mike Keneally, The Mistakes and Tribal Tech, if you haven't already!

And the wonderful album Ballads - Remembering John Coltrane by Karrin Allyson!

Check out http://www.radiokeneally.com - www.radiokeneally.com - currently playing a rare track by The Mistakes.

Next up: Keneally's cover of FZ - Montana.

Fantômas wrote: In fact, I know one album by Mike Keneally, Dog (which I came to know when a friend of mine told me he was the "half of Frank Zappa's soul", the other half is Mike Patton)... And, YES, I like it! For some reason, I never went to other album. So, a question: Does it give a good notion on his career, overall? Because I like that album..

Dog is a very straight-forward album compared to the other albums. If you're into Jazz, you might like Boil That Dust Speck, and his project The Mistakes. Generally, none of his albums are alike. The earlier ones are more influenced by Zappa, namely hat and Sluggo. The Universe Will Provide is an amazing collaboration with an orchestra, and Nonkertompf and Wooden Smoke are extremely free-form. And last but not least, Mike Keneally & Beer For Dolphins - Dancing is a really great and at the same time very accessible album.

I recommend you listen to Keneally radio for a while - they're playing songs from all the albums + unreleased live bootlegs and more.

Eetu Pellonpää wrote: Coltrane was a wonderful musician! There could be a "jazz for progheads" section, where to add John, Miles and the others!

Excellent idea!! I will propose it to the collab zone. It need not  be a full discography but could be just a text in the definitions or even in the future Blog section.

As most of you know , I took my nickname in his honour. Trane is how most real jazz buffs name him.

I think he was one of the freest musician ever and was also one of the most progressive jazzman ever. I do not appreciate all of his free-jazz stuff , but dearly love A Love Supreme , The Vanguard village Sessions , First Meditatiobs , Africa/Brass, Ole etc....

Santana made two very brilliant albums in his memory : Illuminations with Trane's widow Alice and his McLaughlin collab. Both albums have been remixed by Bill Laswell on one Cd some 6 years back! Fabulous mingling of the two albums (both album tracks are mixed in different sequence and both albums mingled): outstanding.

John Coltrane was a true giant of music, and was also a major inspiration for Christian Vander (Coltrane Sundaia is tribute, obviously, Trane's mugshot can be seen in the packaging of KA and Vander's piano playing is heavily influenced by McCoy Tyner). One album that hasn't been mentioned yet is Crescent, recorded at around the same time as A Love Supreme by the same line up. Not quite as astonishing as A Love..., but a remarkable piece of work.

A Jazz for Proggers section is a great idea, I'd include Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi albums alog with the rest of the usual suspects. 

Syzygy wrote: John Coltrane was a true giant of music, and was also a major inspiration for Christian Vander (Coltrane Sundaia is tribute, obviously, Trane's mugshot can be seen in the packaging of KA and Vander's piano playing is heavily influenced by McCoy Tyner). One album that hasn't been mentioned yet is Crescent, recorded at around the same time as A Love Supreme by the same line up. Not quite as astonishing as A Love..., but a remarkable piece of work. A Jazz for Proggers section is a great idea, I'd include Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi albums alog with the rest of the usual suspects.

Right on Chris.

I saw McCoy Tyner live in ghent mid-july with Ravi Coltrane (John's son) and this was a very moving/emotive concert for everyone including on stage. If you listen well to some of his solo work (Sahara and A Song For My Lady, he plays dual lead piano - meaning he plays lead with his left hand also - as most players use that hand to a rythmic role)

Sadly the superb drummer Evans of the mythic quartet died last year. I have no idea what bassist garrison is up to, though! he was dwarved by the rest of the musicians though!

As for Hancock , I would including From Fat Albert Ayler all the way to the Sextant?headhunter era. Very inventive!!

Syzygy wrote: A Jazz for Proggers section is a great idea, I'd include Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi albums alog with the rest of the usual suspects.

Other jazz albums that might please the ear of a prog rock listener's ears, might be some PAT METHENY's albums ("Wichita..." with MAYS) and RALPH TOWNER's works ("Blue Sun" f.ex.).

Eetu Pellonpää wrote: Syzygy wrote: A Jazz for Proggers section is a great idea, I'd include Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi albums alog with the rest of the usual suspects.  Other jazz albums that might please the ear of a prog rock listener's ears, might be some PAT METHENY's albums ("Wichita..." with MAYS) and RALPH TOWNER's works ("Blue Sun" f.ex.).

If you are ti include Ralph Towner than you might want to include Oregon! Classic acoustic fusion music of the 70's.

Joren wrote: J O H N  Z O R N

Here goes Joren again!!!

But you are right, though, that he should be included in this future probable section jazz for progheads.

Sean Trane wrote: Joren wrote: J O H N  Z O R N Here goes Joren again!!! But you are right, though, that he should be included in this future probable section jazz for progheads.

If ANYONE is jazz for progheads, then it's ZORN. Especially if you like Zappa, Beefheart, and Patton's projects! (Zorn produced Bungles first album and he released Patton albums on his Tzadik label)

Of course Coltrane is amazing as well!

Joren wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Joren wrote: J O H N  Z O R N Here goes Joren again!!! But you are right, though, that he should be included in this future probable section jazz for progheads. If ANYONE is jazz for progheads, then it's ZORN. Especially if you like Zappa, Beefheart, and Patton's projects! (Zorn produced Bungles first album and he released Patton albums on his Tzadik label) Of course Coltrane is amazing as well!

On a completely different note , I just opened a thread on Jan Dukes De Grey in the main forum! My latest find , and I will register the claim as soon as I run to the golrush office. A 24 carat gem.

Fantômas wrote: There are 3 gods in music: Brian Eno, Mike Patton and John Zorn. Frank Zappa is ZEUS, and the rest of genius are Semi-gods and heroes! A time ago I proposed Zorn's addition, yeah!

I am hoping he will once be added...

shhhh!

I remember the first time I heard a song by John Zorn, it was from his album Naked City, and I just thought "Wow! It sounds like the speed was edited in the studio, I can't believe these guys play that fast!....."

Anyhoo, I used to like Jazz a lot in the past, stuff like Miles, Coltrane, Bill Evans, Hancock, Freddie Hubbard, Lee Morgan, Wayne Shorter, Weather Report, Sun Ra, etc.... basically all the modal, be-bop, hard-bop, fusion and avant-garde scene.

Now I don't find the urge to listen to those artists anymore, still I find myself heavy influenced by Jazz whenever I'm playing my guitar.