chris squire
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Topic: chris squire
Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Subject: chris squire
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:37
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just wondering hows does chirs squire get that unique bass sound of his? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Bodins/?chartstyle=DarkSide5Big"> 
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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:41
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just a distorted rikenbacker isn't it? |
Posted By: porter
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:41
Rickenbacker with a pick?  ------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:42
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Yup, that classic Rick sound. Much like Geddy Lee in the 70s, or Lemmy
with a lot less fuzz. The Rickenbacker has that distinctive sound that you either love or hate. In guitars, too. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: porter
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 09:47
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yeah the rics are great. does anybody know what amp Chris used back in the days? ------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Heptade wrote:Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 10:00
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from Wikipedia:
Squire's bass playing is noted for being aggressive, dynamic, and melodic. Squire's main instrument is a Rickenbacker 4001, which he has owned and played since 1965; it was the third Rickenbacker 4001 ever imported into Britain from the United States (the first was bought by Paul McCartney). This instrument, with its warmth and distortion, is a significant part of Squire's unique sound which is achieved by a technique known as 'bi-amping'. By splitting the stereo signal from his bass (which divided the signal from the pickups into dual high and low frequency outputs) and then sending the low frequency output to a conventional bass amplifier and the high-frequency output to a separate lead guitar amplifier, Squire produced a tonal 'sandwich' that added a growling, overdriven edge to the sound while retaining the Rickenbacker's powerful bass response. Squire (who is self-taught) was also one of the first rock bass players to successfully adapt electronic guitar effects such as tremolo, phasing and the wah-wah pedal to the instrument. Squire's vocals are also key to Yes' music, providing important harmonization with Jon Anderson's distinctive countertenor. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 10:16
| The two amps Heptade mentions is probably a major part to it, maybe more important than anything else. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 16:59
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Damnit! The one bass i always want and they cost a bomb over here. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Bodins/?chartstyle=DarkSide5Big">
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Posted By: CalamityDaemon
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 23:10
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I always thought basses sound the same. It's just a low "thlump". I
also find it hard to respect a bass player, but I guess that's just me.
------------- I wake to Sleep and I take my Waking slow, I feel my fate in what I cannot fear, I learn by going where I have to go. |
Posted By: porter
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 10:33
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very wrong pal!!! I suspect you're not much into musical instruments... ------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 18:12
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I've got a Rick 4003, and you can definitely hear the difference. Much more trebly, plus it has the signal splitting "rick-o-sound" thing on it so you can bi-amp. However, it also depends greatly on the amp. I have an extremely cheap and crappy amp (a result of my getting a Rick: didn't have enough to also get a good amp afterwards), so it blurs the sound quite a bit. When I play with just one amp, I'll use an effects pedal to boost the treble even more to get the Squire sound. Otherwise, I'll plug into two amps and it works almost perfectly. Unfortunately, the y-cable I have is also cheap and crappy, so it'll pop and fizz a whole lot through it all, so I'm usually forced to use only one amp and the effects pedal.
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 18:20
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Oh a pick, his strings, the Rickenbacker and watch a vid...he plays the strings very close to the start of the frets, so he gets maximum twang but does not lose the bottom end. Entwhistle is obviously (and he said it many times) his main influence, listen to the Who, especially 'Quadrophenia' and (even though Entwhistle was a finger guy, not a pick guy) you can hear that twang and 'lead bass' especially in 'The real me'. Chris then took it to another level..jeez, wish they would play 'On the silent wings of freedom'...the WHOLE song...love his playing that. |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 00:01
| you know, I could've sworn he played fingerstyle... |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 04:09
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He only plays with a pick on occasion The bass sound does not only come from his bi-amp splitting, here is his petal board setup: The pedalboard is connected to a pre-programmed custom effects rack that organizes such things as a custom-built tremolo unit, a Maestro fuzz, a T.C. Electronic Stereo Chorus/Flanger, a Lexicon LXP-5 multi-effects, a Roland SRV 2000 reverb, an MXR 1500 delay, a Morley volume pedal, an octave divider, and an ADA preamp EQed for the low notes on the Tobias basses. Also keep in mind his 1965 Rickenbacker 4001 is 2/3 the weight of a factory one due to a decal being sanded off in Soho before going on tour with Yes, which also gives his signature punch. ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 05 2005 at 06:40
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On Fragile, no? |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 05 2005 at 11:40
Yup, most noticeably on Roundabout. ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 05 2005 at 13:01
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I actually even meant that song! I always mx the names of that song and the album it opens! I have so fragile mind...Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 05 2005 at 14:16
------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 05 2005 at 23:39
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How about the drum / bass sequence in the end of "Ritual"? I found his (and Fripp's |
) 70's gear listed in some book from local library once....Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: September 06 2005 at 04:43
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Had to spin TFTO again to refresh my memory, and it indeed sounds like he's using a pick during that sequence, and some other parts of it. ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |