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Topic: Who was the first to play metal-prog ?
Posted By: lucas
Subject: Who was the first to play metal-prog ?
Date Posted: February 09 2004 at 17:36
Rush, Iron Maiden, Watchtower, Queensryche, Fates Warning ?

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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 09 2004 at 19:20
Genesis' The Knife might be an influence on Prog-Metal.

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Posted By: billsac
Date Posted: February 11 2004 at 06:24
Led zeppelin hehehe

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 11 2004 at 07:44
You may well laugh, billsac, but I think you may have something there - the omnipresent 'Stairway.......'; think of it - 9 minutes+ long, 12 string guitars, mellotron, soft and loud sections, odd time signatures & everyone's heard it so many times, they're sick of it - now if that ain't prog, I dunno what is.

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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: February 11 2004 at 10:00

um in - a - gadda - da- vida by iron butterfly i would say.

probably hush by deep purple could qualify as well.



Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: February 18 2004 at 05:34
king crimson circa 1973-4


Posted By: coffeeintheface
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 22:34
Raffi of course!

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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 23:23

ErmmSome nameless, grunting slope-browed caveman, just at the end of the stone age....

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 07:49

Spooky Tooth - Spooky Two, particularly the track "Evil Woman" (once you've got over the crap vocals).

"In-A-Gadda..." is heavy psychedelia - it's not really metal. Just because Slayer once covered it...

Blue Cheer were the first true metal band, IMO - but I'd accept the argument that they were the first grunge band too.



Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 07:52
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Spooky Tooth - "Spooky Two", particularly the track "Evil Woman" (once you've got over the crap vocals).

"In-A-Gadda..." is heavy psychedelia - it's not really metal. Just because Slayer once covered it... No metal track worth it's salt would talk about taking anyone by the hand - unless it was to a satanic ritual  The name "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" is reportedly from a rather stoned person attempting to say "In the Garden of Eden".

Blue Cheer were the first true metal band, IMO - but I'd accept the argument that they were the first grunge band too. You can quite clearly hear the influence they had on Zeppelin, Sabbath, Purple et al on Vincebus Eruptum.



Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: May 31 2005 at 15:50

This was the first prog metal album.



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Posted By: Dream Theater
Date Posted: July 06 2005 at 19:12
Iron Maiden

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Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 05:50
i'd say that lark's tongues in aspic and red are  prog metal albums, especially for the years they came out....but  talking about prog metal i believe that watchtower's energetic dissasembly (1985) was the 1st prog metal record followed by ryche's rage for order a year later. 

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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: July 07 2005 at 11:41

mmm maybe the major influences of prog metal is the sound of led zeppellin, but a band who really is prog metal is queensryche...

i think...



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Posted By: nousommedusolei
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 03:07
King Crimson, in the Wetton era.

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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 16 2005 at 10:19

I would say Lark's Tongues In Aspic



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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: July 16 2005 at 10:23
Two blues:
Blue Cheer
Blue Oyster Cult


Posted By: yesman72
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 00:14

I agree with the Blue Cheer but even though i love Blue Oyster cult i dont think theyre too proggish. Well you guys said pretty much everyone I could think of. When was Blues Image out? But they'ye not too proggish though. Are Vanilla Fudge metal????



Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 03:43
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

This was the first prog metal album.

Oh, and it was from 1969



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Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 03:56
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

This was the first prog metal album.

Oh, and it was from 1969

Almost agreed. I only have some doubts with Iron Butterfly - Heavy, from 1968. Not sure about the prog in this album, but it's certainly the very beginning of heavy sound.



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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 08:02
black sabbath very very proggy..

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 08:11
I still believe that prog metal started in the mid-80s. For me, Progressive Metal is riff oriented, with occasional double bass, tapping solos etc. Sea Shanties is nice, but it lacks all qualities that I associate with Progressive Metal. The only common quality is the heavy distortion, but that's hardly a progressive quality ...

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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 13:25
I think primordial Garage bands as The Seeds, The Standells or The Electic Prunes can be defined "Proto-Heavy-Metal"


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 15:56

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I still believe that prog metal started in the mid-80s. For me, Progressive Metal is riff oriented, with occasional double bass, tapping solos etc. Sea Shanties is nice, but it lacks all qualities that I associate with Progressive Metal. The only common quality is the heavy distortion, but that's hardly a progressive quality ...

Certainly, IMO, prog metal as it is now known started with Metallica's "Master Of Puppets" - although I would argue for "Ride The Lightning". "RTL" has the sound and attitude (if on the aggressive side!) as well as most of the building blocks for prog metal.

However, before Metallica, Diamond Head were known as the first progressive metal band - the phrase was pretty much coined for them by the media at the time, even though most people recognise that Rush's music constitutes prog metal after a fashion. Diamond Head's is more riff-based; at the time, they were hailed as the new Led Zeppelin - but their music was very different to Zeppelin's.

Every other candidate in the metal world before "Master..." can be seen as a prototype for prog metal, however - classics such as Riot's "Narita", much Blue Oyster Cult, Budgie, Queensryche, Judas Priest, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple, Led Zep, Black Sabbath Spooky Tooth, etc... none really made it into the prog genre, as most concentrated more on the metal path, with Spooky Tooth an obvious exception.

Black Sabbath - who were the first heavy metal band proper, despite the metal aspects of earlier bands - even Blue Cheer - were also first with the sound and produciton that seems to underpin prog metal, IMO - indeed, almost all metal, from the moment they released "Heaven and Hell".

That single album transformed 1970s HM into 1980s HM, and I would suggest is the very first prototype for prog metal as it is now known.

Unless anyone knows of an earlier example of that sound.




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