Prog Wars
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Topic: Prog Wars
Posted By: Trollheart
Subject: Prog Wars
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 11:01
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I've searched and not seen this topic, but if it's already posted or in play let me know. If not... Prog Wars (NOT copyright Trollheart MMXVI) works like this: you post two albums, people vote on which they prefer, the better one (as in, the one with more votes) goes through to face the next choice, and so on. I prefer not to allow the more classic albums, ie ones against which little or nothing has a chance, so no Close to the Edge, Dark Side etc. Once the votes have been tallied and we have a clear winner, we move on to the next album, but no new suggestions until the current "battle" has been completed. You can give your reasons for voting, if you want, though that's not mandatory, and once an album has been "defeated" it cannot be re-entered into a fresh battle. All results are final, and if you miss a battle, tough: it won't be refought. Anyone know of this/interested? For the sake of argument, I'll pop two up here which I think stand a chance against each other and may provoke a little debate: Fugazi, second album from Marillion  VS Union, "reunion" Yes album  Vote now!
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 11:11
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If you're tallying votes, wouldn't it be easier to do this as a poll in the polls sections? ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 11:39
Not really; the way it worked on other sites it's more about the visual development of the votes and the comments and banter associated with the voting. It's better, I feel, to see how many votes each album has in each post and argue about it or crow with triumph than to reduce this to a mere sterile poll. That's just my feeling on it, anyway.
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Finnforest wrote:Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 11:45
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I get the point, although one can still banter and discuss votes within a polls thread....it simply makes the counting much easier and probably more accurate. In any case, your thread, your rules! So for me, Fugazi smokes Yes of this era.....and its the best Fish album imo. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 13:09
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Cool. I too am a Marillion fanatic, so my vote goes to Fugazi, making it Fugazi 2 Union 0 so far anyway...
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 13:25
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Fugazi is the best Fish era album and only just behind Seasons End. Union doesn't come remotely close. Fugazi 3, Union 0 ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 14:49
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Fugazi vs Onion absolutely no contest whatsoever. Fugazi by a country mile |
Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 14:52
If we're talking best Marillion albums of the Fish era, I have to disagree. For me, it's, in order Script Misplaced Childhood Fugazi Clutching at Straws If you go beyond that, probably something like, again in order Brave Seasons End This Strange Engine Marbles Radiation Marillion.com Afraid of Sunlight Happiness is the Road (some of the ones after the first three may be interchangeable, this is just off the top of my head) Haven't listened to FEAR yet... |
Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 16:00
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Fugazi 3, Union 1 Been on a Yes site lately and would get killed if I didn't vote Yes ------------- "Everyone is born with genius, but most people only keep it a few minutes" and I need the knits, the double knits! |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 17:14
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Union is a very appealing album to me. Yes' sound for sure! -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 17:42
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Okay, so now it gets interesting! Fugazi 4 Union 2
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 18:01
| I won't vote because I haven't heard Fugazi yet. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 20:30
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Fugazi for me. Fugazi 5 Union 2 |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 20:36
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Fugazi for me. Fugazi 6 Onion 2 ------------- 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 21:00
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Marillion ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 19 2016 at 23:16
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Marillion 7 Union 2 (one of Yes' uninspired ones) |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 04:40
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Fugazi ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 04:48
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Best Marillion album vs a tepid Yes one? Fugazi without a doubt. Fugazi 10 Onion 2 ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 05:01
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Okay guys I think we can call this for the Fishy one and his pals. So the winner is Fugazi by a very clear 10-2 score. Who wants to go up against the jester then? First to post creates the next battle, assuming it's acceptable (no seriously obscure albums obviously and no out and out classics). ------------- Trollheart: as Irish as losing a 3-0 lead in a must-win fixture! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 05:17
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sound interesting... curious what you come up with as far as matchups.. oh... much too late protest vote Marillion sucks 10-3  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 05:22
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Alright then...I'll take a stab at this. Marillion - Fugazi vs Caravan - For Girls Who Grow Plump In The Night ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 05:55
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hah.. zero contest man.. Plump girls smoke sexless talentless guys... 1-0 ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 06:07
talentless? Really? I give it to the talentless Marillion 1-1 as much as I like Caravan, if I have to choose between them and Marillion, well my option is Marillion.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 07:51
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Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 09:20
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I don't know Caravan that well so have to stick with Marillion (he who called them talentless, duel at dawn: choose your weapon!) Fugazi 3 Caravan 1
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 09:42
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Fugazi 3 Plump 2 ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 10:11
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Another vote for Fugazi . Fugazi 4
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Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 10:28
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Another Caravan vote for me. Marillion 4 Caravan 3 ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 10:58
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Caravan Marillion 4 Caravan 4 -------------  
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Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 13:54
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Never liked Caravan, A friend did lend me Girls who.... a few years ago. but I couldn't get on with it. So Fugazi for me. |
Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 14:23
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Fugazi, easily. Marillion 6 Caravan 4 (This is a fun idea, btw. First to 10 is a good point to end each 'battle'.)
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 14:32
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The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again Whatever "It" is. Marillion 6 Caravan 5 |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 14:39
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Consider it tied Marillion 6 Caravan 6
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Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 14:47
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There won't be a tie, as such, as the reigning champion will always be seen to be, in any unbreakable tie, one point ahead by virtue of having beaten the previous album(s) it came up against. So if there were no more votes at all, Fugazi would still win. But yes, at the moment, it's a dead heat. If there's no appreciable gap being opened up we can just decide on a limit, say, a day or two days, after which the contest is decided and the next challenger is up. Sound ok to everyone? Also, in case anyone thinks the rule above is unfair, that then Fugazi could never be beaten, that's not true: it's only in cases of a tie that it comes into play. If this had gone Fugazi 6 Camel 10 for instance, then the dromedaries would have won and be the new champion against whom the next album would try its luck. ------------- Trollheart: as Irish as losing a 3-0 lead in a must-win fixture! |
Posted By: justin4950834-2
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 15:03
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Caravan by a mile Caravan 7 Marillion 6 |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 15:53
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Caravan 8 Marillion 6
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Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 17:36
I thought Caravans were supposed to be slow?? This one's pulling ahead....  ------------- Trollheart: as Irish as losing a 3-0 lead in a must-win fixture! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 20 2016 at 18:29
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Marillion 7 Caravan 8 -------------
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 00:09
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Since I missed voting of the first round Caravan 9 Marillion 7 How come poll numbers are sterile but these are not? Hmmm |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 06:10
| I will vote for Union. For some reason, I never got into Marillion, and I'm also one of those weird people that finds Union quite enjoyable. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 13:34
it's Marillion vs Caravan now, forget about Union
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 13:38
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I much prefer For Girls Who Grow Plump In The Night. Caravan 10 Marillion 7 |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 13:44
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Moving along: Caravan: Plump vs Soft Machine: Third. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 13:57
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Third 1 Plump 0 ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:00
Heh.....I didn't get to vote for Caravan against that sorry Marillion album. ;) Ok then....just to even things out, one for Caravan...so.. Caravan 1 Soft machine 1 ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:04
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Third easily. I adore that album. Caravan: 1 Soft Machine: 2 |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:20
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Caravan 2 Soft Machine 2 In a level of composition, Third easily beats Plump, but I don't like the roughness of Third, I prefer the versions from the 'BBC Sessions' or 'Alive in Paris 1970', both more enjoyable than Third, in my opinion. Plump is very good, not the best. I'll go for sound quality and 'Backwards'.
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Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:20
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Third. Caravan 1 Soft Machine 3 |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:24
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^It's now: Caravan 2 Soft Machine 4 As you two posted at the exact same moment.
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Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:26
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Is this one even going to be close? It's f**king Third after all. Caravan 2 Soft Machine 5
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:31
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^No, as they seldom are. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:33
But Caravan is probably the most popular Canterbury Scene band, particularly amongst people who never really delved into Canterbury Scene music, or don't consider themselves to be fans of the subgenre.. |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:36
Third against Land of Grey and Pink would probably be close, and I'd bet it'd go to Caravan. But Plump is at best their third most well-known and liked album, going up against what some consider to be one of prog's magnum opuses. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:37
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^I'm just raking up some leaves, Logan. All the heavy Caravan fans may not be logged on right now, so... ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:39
True, but in my experience many people just vote for whatever band they like based on maybe one album they like irregardless of the actual album in question. However, I suspect that that wouldn't happen so much when people make the effort to write in their response rather than just click on a poll option. |
Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:45
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OK, you guys jumped the gun there. Technically, there needs to be a clear gap of five votes between albums before a winner is declared. Remember, at the beginning Fugazi was aceing it and could easily have been declared the winner, so just because you're a Caravan fan you don't get to say when the battle is over: it's my thread, so I do that. Just for the future. Unless it's like totally obvious to everyone, which this was not. I'm a little stung that Marillion got kicked aside so quickly, when i think it still could have gone either way, but for the sake of peace and harmony I'll let it go. In future though, be aware of the rule. If I'm not here to declare a winner and it's a clear five-point gap then you can declare victory without me, but please ensure there's no more jumping the gun. Thanks. As for this one, I know zero about either band (see my "History of Prog Rock" blog) so will abstain and see how this plays out. Carry on. Caravanning. Sorry.  ------------- Trollheart: as Irish as losing a 3-0 lead in a must-win fixture! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:51
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Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 14:58
It is, but games have rules. You can't play Monopoly and just buy hotels everywhere you don't own. There needs to be some sort of agreed limits, otherwise as soon as one album goes ahead it'll be getting declared the winner, which is somewhat pointless. The idea is to have fun, of course, but also to be fair to the two choices and to anyone who hopes to see their album win. ------------- Trollheart: as Irish as losing a 3-0 lead in a must-win fixture! |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 15:10
And the OP get's to set the rules. I'll vote Soft Machine, like both albums a lot but I prefer 3 other Caravan & Third is SM's best, just wish the sound was better. Caravan 2 Soft Machine 6 ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 17:23
*sound of the Godfather chuckling* no Neo albums win 2 straight polls in my area of town.... thanks Steve  .. check your account tomorrow...------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 17:25
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Caravan 3-6 ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Trollheart
Date Posted: November 21 2016 at 17:52
 ------------- Trollheart: as Irish as losing a 3-0 lead in a must-win fixture! |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 01:29
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Caravan 4-6
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 13:06
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 13:24
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Wait, what's up with this thread? Hmm, I'm down with the Plump so... Caravan 5-6 "C'thlu Thlu" baby. |
Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 15:14
Caravan 2 Soft Machine 7 Wait. What's the score, I went from last playing post on last page. |
Posted By: thepurplepiper
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 15:24
| Surely it has to be Third. I cast my vote for Soft Machine. |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 15:31
| Now it's Caravan 5 - Soft Machine 8 |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 17:50
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Caravan 6 Soft Machine 8 |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 18:26
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Caravan 7 - Soft Machine 8 ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: Scorpius
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 20:42
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soft machine - 9 Crapvan - 7
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Posted By: justin4950834-2
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 20:44
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Soft Machines the winna. |
Posted By: justin4950834-2
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 20:50
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Next up. Soft Machine - Third vs Nektar - Remember The Future. |
Posted By: ster
Date Posted: November 22 2016 at 21:29
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Third Soft Machine 1 - Nectar - 0 RTF is very good though.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 05:50
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Softs 1 Nektar 1 ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: David64T
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 06:17
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Bluebird, what do you see? Soft Machine 1 Nektar 2 ------------- Seasons Of Change - weekly programme on community radio: https://seasonsofchangeradio.blogspot.com.au/" rel="nofollow - http://seasonsofchangeradio.blogspot.com.au/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 07:00
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Softs, never really got into Nektar Soft Machine - Third - 2 Nektar - RTF - 2 ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 08:02
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Trollheart's not going to be happy with this... Third 1 Remember The Future 3
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 08:04
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Third 2 RTF 3 ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 08:24
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Ian's tally seems to have been lost in the tally. I like both, but I love Third. Third 4 RTF 3 |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 08:30
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Third 5 RTF 3 |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 11:11
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Posted By: Scorpius
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 12:16
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Third 6 Nektar 3
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 12:50
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This one is tough......going Nektar since that was George Jefferson's favorite band and he wore their shirts on TV. -------------   
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Posted By: justin4950834-2
Date Posted: November 23 2016 at 19:39
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I forgot to vote. RTF for me RTF 5 Third 6 |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: November 24 2016 at 18:30
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Third 7 RTF 5 ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: November 25 2016 at 17:17
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Third wins. Next: Third vs. A Passion Play
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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: November 25 2016 at 22:57
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Since A Passion Play is, IMO, one of the top five prog albums of all time (if not the best), this one's easy. A Passion Play 1 Third 0 ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 06:35
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APP 1 Third 1 ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 08:08
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APP 1 Third 2 ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 08:09
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APP 2 Third 2
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 08:52
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APP 3 Third 2 ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 09:33
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APP 4 Third 2 ------------- 
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 10:48
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APP 4 Third 3 -------------
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Posted By: justin4950834-2
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 10:52
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APP 5 Third 3 |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 18:06
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APP 6 Third 3
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Posted By: Larkstongue41
Date Posted: November 26 2016 at 18:27
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APP 6 Third 4
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: November 27 2016 at 01:51
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APP 7 Turd 4 |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: November 27 2016 at 17:47
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APP 7 Third 5 ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: November 27 2016 at 18:20
For me this is close, but it's A Passion Play we're talking about after all... APP 8 Third 5 -------------  
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