Definitive Krautrock album?
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Topic: Definitive Krautrock album?
Posted By: Aaron
Subject: Definitive Krautrock album?
Date Posted: June 28 2004 at 21:44
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well what is it? oh and not what you think it is, what most think it is
Aaron |
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 00:13
| Can - Tago Mago seems to be a popular choice. And I'd tend to agree. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 05:03
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It is impossible, because it is like trying characterise the British or US rock scene with one classic album, only - there are too many sub-genres in Krautrock and no one album can be "typical". The acknowledged expert on Krautrock Alan Freeman (author with his brother of The Crack In The Cosmic Egg, said by Julian Cope, a Krautrock expert himself, to be the definitive book on the subject: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ultimathule-audion/audion.html#book - http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ultimathule-audion/audion.html#boo k ), told me to start with Can's Tago Mago, if I was going to listen to Krautrock in a serious way. (I had long survived before with only with jazz rockers Klaus Doldinger's Passport, Amon Duul II's Dance Of The Lemmings and Kraftwerk's Autobahn, before deciding to build up my collection). Because of my jazz-leanings Freeman has taken me to Kraan, Eiliff, (earlier) Guru Guru, etc. along with Grobschnitt and more recently Vinegar. BTW because of the respect Freeman is held Atlantic Records commissioned him to compile the Passport compilation: Passport Contol (Connoisseur/Atlantic) - also check: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ultimathule-audion/UT-catalog-krautrock.html - http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ultimathule-audion/UT-catalog-krau trock.html I seem to remember Magma got lumped under the Krautrock heading in the mid 70's - was this because of the multinational line-up or the style of music or what?
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Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 05:59
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I think some great and famous albums in Krautrock are:
Kraan - Andy Nogger
Guru Guru - Känguru, UFO
Amon Düül II - Yeti, Phallus Dei
Agitation Free - Malesh
Can - Tago Mago
Grobschnitt is from germany but is it Krautrock? I don't think so... ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 08:47
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Krautrock covers a great diversity of influences from electronic, free form rock, medieval, world to fusion jazz all plunged into a psychedelic mood...so it's real hard to present the ultimate Kraut trip...The major difference between Krautrock and the others prog scenes is an obvious spirit for totally free and improvised collective musical adventures...essentialy instrumental with a lot of experimentations in sound. In one word it is the avant garde and psych side of prog rock... -the two first KRAFTWERK: for experimental weird rock just before the machines -CLUSTER (number two) : Proto electronic music with a delicate hypnotic touch - ASH RA TEMPEL (number one): free space epic journey - AGITATION FREE "Malesch": blues psychedelic music with oriental influences -THE COSMIC JOKERS "intergalactic supermarket" : A cosmic adventure throw the unknwon - AMON DUUL "Phallus Dei": acid collective rock - POPOL VUH "In den Garden...": a deep meditation with lot of spacey arrengements -GURU GURU "UFO": Freak 'n roll - KLAUS SCHULZE "Cyborg": electric organ compositions...transe space music. -NEU! (the first): repetitive experimental & instrumental rock -YATHA SIDHRA "A meditation mass": Moog synth and acoustic music with a lot of oriental influences If you need more precisions or others references of major Kraut albums, just ask me! ------------- 
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 09:50
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HI, THIS IS CÉSAR INCA. My Krautrock Top 7 for starters: AGITATION FREE 'Second' - THE COSMIC JOKERS 'Galatic Supermarket' - GURU GURU 'UFO' - FAUST 'Faust' - AMON DUUL II 'Phallus Dei' - TANGERINE DREAM 'Atem' - ASH RA TEMPEL 'Ash Ra Tempel' Regards. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 11:59
Sorry I'm the messenger here not the source of the message. When an apparent expert like Mr Freeman advises, then I presume he is talking from some point of confidence. If you what to argue with him directly, I'll find an e.mail address!!!! |
diddy wrote:Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 12:05
...I don't want to argue with anyone !
I just wanted to point out that a band is not automaticly Krautrock just because they are from germany, that's all...
peace ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 12:16
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You are right Diddy...however the term Krautrock is difficult to define...some say that it simply refers to the german rock from the seventies, some others say that it is german prog rock, at last a few say that it is the old german electro music...for me it's acid rock from germany and all the underground rock scene which emerged at the beginning of the seventies and first signed on the ohr label... but I think the term came from the band FAUST -------------
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Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: June 29 2004 at 12:32
I read, that the term was created as an insult for bad rock music from germany, mainly because of the acentuated vocals (listen to Eloy's Ocean and you will see what acentuated vocals are  ) but later on it changed and the so called acid rock from germany was meant by this expression. I think that a band Faust used the term Krautrock for their music, just like phillipe said. And because they used this expression it became a good term to describe this kind of music...------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 30 2004 at 06:17
Teasing you - but sometimes experts need sorting. If you think I sound a bit categoric at times, then Alan Freeman is making an art out of categoric statements. I'm here to provide some input, which I hope is useful. But equally I'm here to learn and if necessary have my ideas "sorted" if wrong. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 02 2004 at 12:44
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For me it is Guru Guru UFO or Yeti by Amon Duul II. Or Grobschnitt`s debut. |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: July 02 2004 at 13:53
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About Grobshnitt you can also add without reserve the first EROC solo album... -------------
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Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: July 02 2004 at 13:56
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YAY people! ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |
Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: July 02 2004 at 17:46
 ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: July 06 2004 at 06:48
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Hello, Here's my top 5 list: Amon dûll II/ Dance of the lemmings Agitation free /Last (the choice is hard, as all of their albums are excellent) Popol vuh/Einsjäger & Siebenjäger (here again, it's very hard) Manuel Göttsching/Inventions for electric guitar Dzyan/electric silence
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 06 2004 at 15:58
| Do you hear Sloar Music? Do you hear Solar Music? Do you hear Sloar Music? Do you hear Sloar Music?..................... |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 06 2004 at 16:00
| What about Holderlin or Novalis? Suprised nobody has mentioned anything by these guys. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 08 2004 at 09:55
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I owuld say - all things considered - the LP for me that most epitomised krautrock is the huge sprawling monsterpiece known as YETI by AMON DUUL II. For me anyhow, the teutonic atmosphere of this LP, the organic improvisational spirit, the textured (and sometimes annoyingly lax) attitude to mixing levels & production and the great mysterious lyrics & cover just make this the definitve kraut LP! By the way, could I introduce myself as I'm new to the site - which is excellent by the way - espec. the mp3 d/loads available - I'm Dave Abel from Ormskirk, Lancashire, United Kingdom. (its near(ish) to Liverpool) and have been collecting & playing prog rock for many years - since about 1987. I especially like krautrock and European prog, like Italy's Celeste, Saint Just, and PFM. Also like a lot of Swedish stuff like Anglagard, Kaipa etc - and much German music - my all time fave being POPOL VUH. |
Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: July 08 2004 at 10:20
...cool, welcome, have fun around here  ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: progchain
Date Posted: July 10 2004 at 06:57
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NECRONOMICON: Tips Zum Selbstmord TROYA: Point of eruption TRY: Just a try 2066 AND THEN: Reflections! DOM: Edge of time MY SOLID GROUND: Same IRMIN'S WAY: Opus: Destroy |
Posted By: Possessed
Date Posted: July 10 2004 at 13:17
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Kraan - Wintrup Pell Mell - Marburg Gomorrha - Trauma Satin Whale - Desert Places Rufus Zuphall - Weiss Der Teufel |
Posted By: diddy
Date Posted: July 10 2004 at 13:19
Hey, the City "Marburg" is not far away from here  ------------- If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear... George Orwell |
Posted By: Possessed
Date Posted: July 10 2004 at 13:26
| Great! I really love that CD! |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: May 08 2005 at 07:24
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When I hear KRAUTROCK I imagane German space rock bands with strong
psychedelic and experimental elements like early Pink Floyd. First that
come to mind are Can, Faust, Amon Düül.
Some bands also had some trippy elements but their music had a
different approach - Popol Vuh, Grobschnitt, Cluster, Kraan... I don't
know why such different bands are thrown in the same subgenre? |
Posted By: maddog
Date Posted: May 08 2005 at 20:00
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I was introduced in kraut rock in my first college years with Phallus Dei of Amon Duul II. After many years of searching this genre and many months of listening to all these "nutcases" i might say that is my favorite music of all.Nevertheless, i will not give you any list of unknown diamonds but mostly what i believe kraut classics,something that the "In-Rocks" and "Sgt. Peppers" of kraut..... 1.Yeti-Amon Duul II &nbs p; &nbs p; ....absolute masterpiece in every way.From the spooky Pale Gallery, to the cacophonous psychedelic opera Soap Shop Rock, from the pervert riff of Cerberus to the improsivation of Yeti and Yeti talks to Yogi, a must, not only about anyone that want to learn more about Kraut Rock but also about anyone that don't think that music is about shaking his ass with the rhythm. 2.Grobschnitt-Grobschnitt .....i agree, there are many records of Grobschnitt that are not kraut but not this. I have it in CD with the 30 minutes live version of Die Sinfonie and anyone that have heard it must agree this is psychedelic rock in it's best. 3.Electronic Meditation-Tangerine Dream .....i like this album a little little less than more spacey albumsd like Atem or Alpha Centauri but this is the most earthly album, it's the only one with the one and only Klaus Schulze in the band, and eventhough it's not so related with the later albums,it's a very fine introduction to their music (and your burning brain for these that prefer to listen to music after smoking some kind of tea...) 4.Faust IV- Faust ....again if i was ttalking to my self i would say the first,selftitled album was the best but this may have disasterous effects to any neebie in prog-psychedelic music (such as not listening again anything less straightforward than Motorhead or more complicated than AC/DC)....so Faust IV. A minimalistic masterpiece with many musical surprises and more styles, even progressive reggae, if something like that can exist(the sad skinhead).Furthermore in this album exist the selftitled "national anthem" of krautrock. 5.Close encounter with their third one-Eiliff ....yes, Eiliff are not among the krautrock "stars"...yes this album is not even a record but something like a live show(a radio show if i remember correctly) ,but it's one album with jazz-rock directly from hell (as Frank Zappa would say), and with a "i don't mind what masses hear,as long as i am not one of them" kind of attitude that personally love...Coca-Cola trickles down your Gibson and you accept, it is your heritage, your cup of meat, your bowl of Hallimasch, Hallimasch,Hallimasch is killing us (Hallimasch) .....also checkout Amon Duul II until "Made in Germany", "Tago Mago", "Ege Bamyasi","Future Days" from Can, "Neu 75" from Neu, anything from Tangerine dream(especially if you like ambient),Guru Guru from "UFO" to "Der Elektrolursch","Faust", "Faust so far" from Faust, Grobschnitt until "solar music live",anything from Ash Ra Tempel,"Malesch" from Agitation Free,the 4 projects of Cosmic Jokers,"Klopfzeichen" from Kluster and anything from Popol Vuh when you ll get 35 years old...and then, if you still want to learn more about kraut,listen and to Kraftwerk.... ------------- Vielleicht irrte sich der general-general-general |
Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: May 08 2005 at 21:27
| oo krautrock i loovee! its my favorite genre of prog. what i say would be the best example of krautrockk, olo there are many differtent syltes, id go with eggbiamsa or whatnmot. i consider that to be the "classic" sounding kautrock. but all kraturock has its charms. |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: May 08 2005 at 23:11
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My two cents, after listening to the stuff for three decades (more or less)... any CAN through Landed (but Tago Mago is definitive) the first Neu! album (Neu! 2 if you're feeling really perverse) any Faust through Faust 4 (I agree with Julian Cope that the sax solo at the end of It's a Rainy Day...Sunsunshine Girl off the Faust 2 album is to die for) early (pre Autobahn) Kraftwerk Cluster (when they spelled their name with a "K") early (pre-sequencer) Tangerine Dream Klaus Schulze's debut album Irrlicht (played so loud that it interferes with your brainwaves) ...and has anyone ever heard the Uberfallig album by Gunter Schickert? Great stuff: Like classic TD or Klaus Schulze but with guitars instead of synths. Michael Neumann |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: May 08 2005 at 23:20
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Uberfallig is a great little known album! Liliental is
another! Robert Schroeder's Brain Voyager? |