What annoys you about songs you like?
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Topic: What annoys you about songs you like?
Posted By: zappaholic
Subject: What annoys you about songs you like?
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 09:01
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The topic here is songs that you like a lot, but there's one really annoying aspect to them that keeps them from being "perfect". Examples: - In Voivod's cover of "Astronomy Domine", Snake gets the words wrong in a couple places: "Oberon, Miranda and Titania" becomes "Oberon, there on the run, Titanian", and "Stairways scare, Dan Dare, who's there" becomes "Stairways scared and death rules there". - In Procol Harum's "Conquistador", Gary Brooker pronounces the title wrong (Con-KWIS-ta-dor as opposed to Con-KEES-ta-dor). - Jimi Hendrix's "Little Wing": just as it really starts to get into gear, it fades out! It feels like half a song. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 09:06
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I could really do without the half minute of clock noises at the beginning of "Time". |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 10:04
Voivod's lyrics actually make more sense.
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zappaholic wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 10:10
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hard question.... if something really annoyed me... I wouldn't like it. It isn't like there isn't a great mass of music I do love that doesn't annoy me in the least. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 11:20
Before the CD reissue of Piper in the '90s, nobody knew what the lyrics really were. Also, the members of Voivod speak French as their first language so they just wrote down what they thought they heard. RE: 'Little Wing'. There are lots of songs that fade out just as they're gettin' good. Compare Gilmour's solo at the end of "Comfortably Numb" on The Wall compared to any live version. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 11:38
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- The very end of TD's Force Majeure track (completely out of place IHMO) - The narration in Amon Düül II's Deutsch Nepal (ruins the ambiance) - Most spoken interludes in 70-80's Hawkwind studio / live albums - The "prehistoric cavern" man voice in Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells Part 2 ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 12:13
I don't mind the clocks unless I'm trying to drift off to sleep, then they are most unwanted...  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 12:50
I was thinking the same thing. Other than songs I like ending too soon (particularly when a lead fades out just when it heats up), I wouldn't really like a song all that much if I thought it was flawed. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 12:50
Yeah, I probably should have mentioned that I'm fully aware English isn't their first language - been a fan of theirs for ages, and Nothingface is as near to perfect as I could hope for an album to be. Still, to my ears.... kinda jarring. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 13:00
It doesn't matter if they spoke English as a second language, "Oberon, Miranda and Titania" are moons of Uranus, and are not derived from English words. They were obviously unaware of both Astronomy and Shakespeare. Miranda and Titania come from Latin roots and Oberon is originally...French. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 24 2016 at 14:04
pretty much my thoughts. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 25 2016 at 06:35
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A couple of things spring to mind - 1) Rush's "Different String" fades out too early just as the guitar solo is getting really interesting 2) Transatlantic getting the words of "And You and I" and "Nights In White Satin" wrong on the Kaleidoscope bonus CD ("Letters are written" instead of "Letter's I've written").
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: July 25 2016 at 06:41
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I adore The Revealing Science of God but the squeaky dog toy noises make me a bit crazy. I'm seeing Yes Wednesday night in Ohio, when they will be playing sides 1 and 4 of TFTO. If they choose not to replicate the squeaky dog toy that will be just fine with me.
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Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: July 25 2016 at 10:03
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I can be alone on this one but the final guitar solo on Siberian Khatru annoys me. He plays one nice sentence at 8:27 and one like it later but the rest is IMHO poor compared to what he's done at other solos. ------------- |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 25 2016 at 10:11
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It annoys me that Floyd do not recognise Atom Heart Mother's splendour. Nothing wrong with the tune itself though. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Terrapin Station
Date Posted: July 25 2016 at 16:54
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The only thing I can think of where I'd like a tune but something would annoy me would be fade-outs when something really good is happening. There are a couple good examples above, especially Hendrix' "Little Wing". A lot of the stuff mentioned is the sort of stuff I couldn't care less about--changed lyrics, weird pronunciations, etc. |
Posted By: Terrapin Station
Date Posted: July 25 2016 at 16:58
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 26 2016 at 00:56
| The only one I can think of is Gentle Giant's "An Inmates Lullaby", the xylophone can get a bit annoying. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 27 2016 at 00:08
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if something annoys me about a song it is extremely unlikely that I will like it. and it is very hard to annoy me at all. maybe I could name Nektar's "Remember the Future"; I consider the title chorus to be a bit weak. but it would be saying too much to call it "annoying" -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: July 27 2016 at 00:29
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The last bit in Bayreuth Return scares the hell out of me. Every time. ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: July 27 2016 at 00:36
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"No Lullaby" and "Moths" by Jethro Tull: Why is John Evan's piano mixed so far back? It's not inaudible, but that extra piano would have been nice. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: July 27 2016 at 12:00
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Ok I've got one, Spooky Tooth's album Ceremony. This is actually a collaboration album with the avant garde composer Pierre Henry, now I do love my fare share of avant garde music but this collaboration imo just don't click. You know sometimes when two songs are playing together by mistake? This is the feeling I get when I listen to the album, it's like both artists recorded their music separately and then combined them together. Now I do like the album because of the music of Spooky Tooth but I really have to be in the mood and try to overlook the rest of the mix. At first I thought cool!! This is weird!!!! But no...this just spoils the album for me. Judge for yourself... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk3jwk4ei5U" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk3jwk4ei5U
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: July 27 2016 at 17:30
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^ It wouldn't surprise me if Pink Floyd and Ron Geesin listened to this record during the Atom Heart Mother sessions and learned how not to make an avant-garde/rock mix as a result. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 05:11
I know the bit he means - there's this double high pitched "squeak" bit in the "Starlight, movement, reasons release forward" bit
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 06:45
it's what she means - but never mind. It's indeed the high pitched "squeak" bit but it's repeated so it sounds like my daughter's dog chewing on his favorite toy. Glad to say the show on Wednesday night did NOT include the squeaky dog toy noise, and for that my husband and I both gave thanks. Also because the band played the song very very well overall.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 07:11
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Weather Report's "Birdland": the heavy intro on synths (or bass, depending on the version), the light yet active drumming, then the thunderous arrival of the saxophone... All of this is perfect, but what follows after the third minute disappoints me. I have the sensation of listening to some TV game show musical theme. Even the vocal version with Manthattan Transfer can't get this idea out of my mind. Mike Oldfield's "Five Miles Out": I love, I love, I loooove the musical track. It's just the lyrics that prevent me of trying covering this one. Yeah, this story of "great leader" of a plane that saves his passengers from an accident is too... "down to the ground" for me... |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 07:22
My apologies.
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 07:26
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Black Sabbath - "After Forever" Musically it's top notch: cool opening, killer riffs and heavy guitar tone. Not surprisingly, the lyrics always bugged me. They're hilariously preachy. Sabbath can do the "warning against siding with the dark side" quite well, such as during "Lord of This World" off the same album in which Ozzy plays the role of the devil mocking a potential follower. But with After Forever, I'm not sure if Ozzy's holy roller shtick is a tongue in cheek mockery or a blatant pro-Christian stance. The "Pope on a rope" line rings like the former since Ozzy sings it with seeming glee, but much of the rest of it is pamphlet-waving fundamentalism. Either way, sometimes the lyrics annoy me while at other times I just enjoy the hell out of the song for what it is...great heavy music.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 09:14
well, the vocals in "Deutsch Nepal" are much less annoying if you understand them. I will give a translation: "a general stood at my cradle, spoke "it is a beautiful child. he will become a man like I love them - governor perhaps in Deutsch Nepal". I was born in the land of warriors, try hard to be a hero. but the victories keep me waiting. maybe he was wrong, the general" ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 09:20
Thanks for the translation! I'm not criticizing the words, but just the ridiculous grandiloquent vocal tone adopted (and the cough too).  ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: July 29 2016 at 12:37
no worries, after two years on this site I'm used to the assumption that all posters are by default male.
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Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: July 30 2016 at 03:56
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Oh, and I forgot: I do not dislike Steve Joliffe's punky singing in TD's Cyclone album, but I find his vocalizations at the end of "Rising Runner..." quite out of place and a bit ridiculous for such a catchy and futuristic track. BTW, if you think the same thing as me, although a little repetitive, the instrumental remix on Dream Mixes 4 is surprisingly not bad at all: ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 30 2016 at 08:07
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You're mad as mokkasins Nico! The narrative vocals in Deutsch Nepal are wonderful...that is if it's the right version. There is another one not featured on Wolf City that absolutely blows compared to the "original" (truth be told, I'm not sure which version came first). I love the military vibe of it and the way it openly makes fun of Germany's past - especially with that fabulous doomsday riff from the piano. A perfect tune for me  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 30 2016 at 08:28
both versions were at the same time. while Amon Düül 2 were recording "Wolf City" there was a quarrel among the band, and they split up. some of the members formed the band Utopia who recorded an album of their own. but both bands recorded their album in the same studio, and during the recording sessions they made peace again, which resulted in all members of the band appearing in both projects. and "Deutsch Nepal" was liked so much that both projects wanted it on their album. and so it happened. this is described in detail in the Amon Düül biography "Tanz der Lemminge" by rock journalist Ingeborg Schober, a close friend of the band. the self-titled album of Utopia was later re-released as as Amon Düül 2 album, but historically this is not correct ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 30 2016 at 15:54
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^ I love that 'Utopia' album - seems it's rightfully a Lothar Meid project ?? It can pass as an ADII album, but it was never of that intention from the outset. Another marketing ploy, methinks........ Plus, Utopia gets confused with Todd Rundgren's project of the same name. I recall often seeing the German Utopia vinyl lumped in with Todd's collective. There was a bargain to be found !! |