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Topic: Association Football
Posted By: infocat
Subject: Association Football
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 20:00
I am not a sports fan.  I played soccer as a youngster, and for a while watched some professional football and baseball (don't even know if soccer was available on American TV at the time!), but none of it as an adult.  That being said, I've never understood the American disdain for soccer.

I passed a couple of co-workers discussing sports and "boring soccer" came up as a topic.  I asked one why he felt this to be the case, and why did he like hockey but not soccer, when (I said) "they are essentially the same game".  (No idea how true this is, but that's my layman's perspective.)  He said that the goals are too far apart and it takes too long to get from one side to the other!  He thought it would be much more exciting if the field was half the size.

Huh!  Are Americans so obsessed with "goals" that we cannot appreciate the skill it takes to get there?  I just found it quite an odd opinion (though I am guessing he's correct in his assessment about why American's find soccer boring).




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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 20:37
I'm not a huge sports guy but I have no idea why anyone would prefer American football over the international football. Our football is like the one sport I just don't find any enjoyment out of watching.


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 20:52
I enjoy watching hockey and football, baseball less so, but now and then I will.  Soccer and NBA, no thanks. 
NBA is hilarious.  They could save a whole lotta time by just making every game 90-90 as a start point and playing for only 60 seconds. 

All sports are more fun to play than watch, played them all as a youth.   Playing hockey was an absolute gas, both on ice or floor hockey.  God I miss that.  The only sport I was good at. 


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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 22:00
Most sports fans here baffle me.  I'm a huge racing fan and most everyone I come across automatically assumes I'm talking about NASCAR (I do watch that, among other forms) and proceed to call it boring.  These same people will then go on and on about baseball and golf.  I don't get it.  And I'm not bashing those two sports, but I just don't get it.  I'll try to explain the details that go into racing and why I love it, but they (most of the time) don't want to hear it and just brush it off.  So, I can relate to this.

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 02 2016 at 23:40
Well, Football (Soccer) is my favorite sport (I played it even in the street and for a couple years in the semi pro league), but I enjoy almost every sport except Golf and NBA.

I became an American Football fan about 5 years ago and always loved Baseball, maybe because in my school we payed it all the time.


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Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: July 04 2016 at 10:57
Football is my favorite sport too. I try to watch every game I can from the big leagues (Spain, Italy, England, Germany).

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 04 2016 at 11:02
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

He thought it would be much more exciting if the field was half the size.
Maybe he should watch futsal instead Tongue


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 08:01
I have watched football ("soccer") ever since I was a child and it's the only sport I 100% love. I watch almost every game of the Spanish league (my team FC Barcelona plays there), I watch most of the Champions League, always the Euro, Copa America, and World Cups, spme WC qualifiers, friendlies, and the Ecuadorian league where my other team plays (Barcelona SC). 

If people in the US criticize football for lack of scoring, I want to do similar for American sports: all non-stop scoring (where's the tension?), stupid time outs that kill momentum, commercial interests above everything (most interruptions are only for commercials), sports where an offense and a defense are two separate parts of a team and rarely one can act like the other (American football specifically), sports arenas which are mostly commercial circuses, teams that move from city to city and have zero actual connection to a city and its people, etc etc etc. 

Oh don't get me started.. 


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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 10:01
Hockey and soccer are nothing alike.  Hockey is a contact sport of constant motion played on a small playing surface.  Soccer is a sport in which any contact is met with a complete and pathetic flop with little to no action played on a cushy field about the size of Central Park.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 10:49
It must be great living in a country where you not only invent a sport, your fellow countrymen are actually good at it too.Ouch

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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 11:21
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I have watched football ("soccer") ever since I was a child and it's the only sport I 100% love. I watch almost every game of the Spanish league (my team FC Barcelona plays there), I watch most of the Champions League, always the Euro, Copa America, and World Cups, spme WC qualifiers, friendlies, and the Ecuadorian league where my other team plays (Barcelona SC). 

If people in the US criticize football for lack of scoring, I want to do similar for American sports: all non-stop scoring (where's the tension?), stupid time outs that kill momentum, commercial interests above everything (most interruptions are only for commercials), sports where an offense and a defense are two separate parts of a team and rarely one can act like the other (American football specifically), sports arenas which are mostly commercial circuses, teams that move from city to city and have zero actual connection to a city and its people, etc etc etc. 

Oh don't get me started.. 

Here this will get you started............http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ballpark/information/




Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 12:24
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It must be great living in a country where you not only invent a sport, your fellow countrymen are actually good at it too.Ouch
LOL

And you have to thank a Soviet referee (of all people) for your only glory... 


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 12:26
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I have watched football ("soccer") ever since I was a child and it's the only sport I 100% love. I watch almost every game of the Spanish league (my team FC Barcelona plays there), I watch most of the Champions League, always the Euro, Copa America, and World Cups, spme WC qualifiers, friendlies, and the Ecuadorian league where my other team plays (Barcelona SC). 

If people in the US criticize football for lack of scoring, I want to do similar for American sports: all non-stop scoring (where's the tension?), stupid time outs that kill momentum, commercial interests above everything (most interruptions are only for commercials), sports where an offense and a defense are two separate parts of a team and rarely one can act like the other (American football specifically), sports arenas which are mostly commercial circuses, teams that move from city to city and have zero actual connection to a city and its people, etc etc etc. 

Oh don't get me started.. 

Here this will get you started............http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/chc/ballpark/information/


Baseball teams appear to have some connection to their cities, but NFL teams move freely from one to the other in what would amaze anyone looking from outside 

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 12:55
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It must be great living in a country where you not only invent a sport, your fellow countrymen are actually good at it too.Ouch
LOL
And you have to thank a Soviet referee (of all people) for your only glory... 

Oh Teo, I am disappointed in you... I thought every footie fan knew the ref was Swiss

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 13:03
And the ball was over the line anyway

Anyone who thinks soccer is none contact has clearly never played the game. 

It's streets ahead of baseball (which really is just an excuse to sit in the sun for a few hours drinking beer and chatting with friends (much like cricket)) or American Football where you have to watch for 3 hours with interminable adverts every 5 minutes for an actual "playing time" (the time from the snap to the play ending) of 11 minutes. 

I'm a frustrated Newcastle & England fan who watches pretty much all the EPL and major tournaments. I also watch a lot of baseball & American Football.


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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 13:31
I totally agree about the excessive Ads on NFL... I'm curious, doesn't televised Soccer have a lot of Ads too?  


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 13:51
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It must be great living in a country where you not only invent a sport, your fellow countrymen are actually good at it too.Ouch
LOL
And you have to thank a Soviet referee (of all people) for your only glory... 

Oh Teo, I am disappointed in you... I thought every footie fan knew the ref was Swiss
Wat. 

Confused

Checks wikipedia... 


The lineman (the truly blind one) was Soviet. 

The referee was Swiss. 

You are correct. I was partially correct Approve

Tongue


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 13:53
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I totally agree about the excessive Ads on NFL... I'm curious, doesn't televised Soccer have a lot of Ads too?  
It has tons of ads (depending on the network, type of competition, etc) but they never go to a commercial break. They are, so to speak, embedded in the game, be it in the form of unobtrusive graphics or new kinds of pseudo-3d logos somewhere in the screen. In the past some networks even used to reduce the size of the soccer screen to accommodate short ads, usually for just a few seconds. In essence, you never lose sight of the game itself for all the duration of the half. 

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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 05 2016 at 16:16
I have seven reasons to not talk about association football. Clown

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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: July 06 2016 at 02:22
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

I have seven reasons to not talk about association football. Clown

Beer


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 06 2016 at 04:43
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It must be great living in a country where you not only invent a sport, your fellow countrymen are actually good at it too.Ouch
LOL
And you have to thank a Soviet referee (of all people) for your only glory... 

Oh Teo, I am disappointed in you... I thought every footie fan knew the ref was Swiss
Wat. 

Confused

Checks wikipedia... 


The lineman (the truly blind one) was Soviet. 

The referee was Swiss. 

You are correct. I was partially correct Approve

Tongue
If all three disputed goals were disallowed then the result would stand as an England win, if the controversial 5th goal was disallowed at the time then it would still have been an England win because the England fans wouldn't have invaded the pitch during the 6th goal in the 120th minute so that couldn't now be disputed. If the result had stayed at 2-2 after 120 minutes there would have been a replay so no one can even begin to guess the final result of that (penalty shootouts weren't introduced until 1978, and they don't apply in finals until later).
 
However despite England being nothing like the world-class team it believes itself to be, the German football team hasn't actually been kicking our arses around the football pitch ever since except for the humiliation of the 1-4 defeat in the 2010 world cup (though we still revel in thrashing them 1-5 eight years earlier in Munich ... and I have a pair of commemorative socks to prove it).


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 06 2016 at 11:37
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I totally agree about the excessive Ads on NFL... I'm curious, doesn't televised Soccer have a lot of Ads too?  

No.

  1. You can't stop a game for propaganda, even if a player is injured, they don't stop for commercials.
  2. The TV stations place commercial ads  in a corner or in the low part of the screen, that's all.
  3. We watch from the second 00.1 to the minute 45 or or 48 of each half time.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 06 2016 at 22:58
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I totally agree about the excessive Ads on NFL... I'm curious, doesn't televised Soccer have a lot of Ads too?  

No.

  1. You can't stop a game for propaganda, even if a player is injured, they don't stop for commercials.
  2. The TV stations place commercial ads  in a corner or in the low part of the screen, that's all.
  3. We watch from the second 00.1 to the minute 45 or or 48 of each half time.
Footie on the BBC has no commercials or ad-breaks - the downside is they fill the halftime interval with Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer prattling on about what you've already watched in the first half while trying to guess what may happen in the second.


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 08:19
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I totally agree about the excessive Ads on NFL... I'm curious, doesn't televised Soccer have a lot of Ads too?  

No.

  1. You can't stop a game for propaganda, even if a player is injured, they don't stop for commercials.
  2. The TV stations place commercial ads  in a corner or in the low part of the screen, that's all.
  3. We watch from the second 00.1 to the minute 45 or or 48 of each half time.
Footie on the BBC has no commercials or ad-breaks - the downside is they fill the halftime interval with Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer prattling on about what you've already watched in the first half while trying to guess what may happen in the second.
Gary Lineker is good on Twitter. Tongue

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 11:39
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Gary Lineker is good on Twitter. Tongue
"@GaryLineaker: Always reluctant to offer a political view, but Farage is a dick!" LOL


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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 12:29
LOLClap

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Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: July 07 2016 at 22:29
Euro final on Sunday.

Hope France wins it because of Pogba and because Portugal are absolutely dire. It would be a joke that they never won anything with some amazing teams and this mediocre side does. 


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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 09:53
Originally posted by TheLionOfPrague TheLionOfPrague wrote:

Euro final on Sunday.

Hope France wins it because of Pogba and because Portugal are absolutely dire. It would be a joke that they never won anything with some amazing teams and this mediocre side does. 

Don't really want to take the role of Devil's advocate, especially when I can be accused of national bias, but dire is simply too strong of a word. While Portugal certainly hasn't dazzled anyone, the stats show that:

- Portugal has played against the most defensive teams in the tournament;
- Yet they somehow created more attacking chances than any other team;
- They had the most shots on target during the tournament, only behind Germany;
- Won most corners than any team;
- Had the highest completed passes rating just behind Germany;
- Suffered more fouls than any other team, and while it also commited the more fouls, along with Italy, it has one of the best disciplinary score, with only 7 yellow cards, since most of the fouls were honest ball disputes.

The only thing Portugal can be accused of is perhaps lack of efficiency in front of goal (one of France's strenghts) and a creative spark against closed defences. Otherwise, perhaps with the exception of the Croatia game, where both teams were equally matched, Portugal has been the superior team in every match they played so far. So it's not like they don't deserve to be in the final - they've worked for it. 

Smile




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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 09 2016 at 14:16
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Footie on the BBC has no commercials or ad-breaks - the downside is they fill the halftime interval with Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer prattling on about what you've already watched in the first half while trying to guess what may happen in the second.

Lucky you.

Here is different

In the halftime this is the structure in Perú

3 minutes ads, just when the referee marks the end (Mostly Cerveza Cristal who has the monopoly of ads)
2 minute commentaries
3 minutes ads (Mostly Cerveza Cristal who has the monopoly of ads)
2 minutes best images of the first half
2 minutes sport news
2 minutes  ads (Mostly Cerveza Cristal who has the monopoly of ads)
1 minute to announce changes and what you can expect of the 2nd half (Always wrong)

Despite the fact that Cable Magico has the monopoly of the national championship and that we pay for the service.

When the National Team plays in official games, one public station has the right to transmit the game along with cable, and almost the 15 minutes are ads.




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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: July 10 2016 at 13:26
Nice job, Payet and Clattenburg.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2016 at 13:59
Seriously? It was a clash of knees, happens 20 times a game.

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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2016 at 15:39
Congrats to Portugal, a smash and grab worthy of Greece or Red Star Belgrade. Negative football wins out. Pretty awful final.

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Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 10 2016 at 15:39
Congratulations to the sea heroes! 

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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: July 10 2016 at 16:28
France declared "technical problems" for not having the Eiffel Tower illuminated with the Portuguese colours (though no problem with having the French flag projected on it...). They also had the police blocking the Portuguese community in Paris from gathering to celebrate in the Champs Elises for "security reasons".

This victory is for the hard working Portuguese immigrants in France who have to live daily with those smug b*****ds.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2016 at 16:42
Smug Frenchmen? I find that extremely hard to believe. ;)

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Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 10 2016 at 16:44


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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/



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