Quentin Tarantino
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Topic: Quentin Tarantino
Posted By: Logos
Subject: Quentin Tarantino
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 06:44
They all are, of course, perfect masterpieces, but which one is the best?
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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 06:48
I voted Pulp Fiction because it is his most complete work. Reservoir Dogs is an amazing film, the combination of the violence and character driven story. I only hope he doesn't wait as long between films to make his next one.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 06:58
I voted Resevoir Dogs,I love that movie.And honestly,I really wouldn't call Jackie Brown a masterpiece.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 07:03
Pulp Fiction!
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 07:16
Pulp Fiction for me too!
Tarantino's next film will, to my knowledge, come out next year; "Inglorious Bastards".
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 09:36
Pulp Fiction
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 26 2005 at 18:30
Pulp Fiction
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:32
Tarantino
Pulp Fiction
But I love all his works. Where are "Four Rooms" and "Sin City"(I know he made it with Rodriguez and Miller)?
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Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 13:38
Pulp is great. Definitely a "prog movie"
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 13:42
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 13:44
all these movies suck- the guy's a freak
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 15:29
Wolf Spider wrote:
But I love all his works. Where are "Four Rooms" and "Sin City"(I know he made it with Rodriguez and Miller)?
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He only directed one scene of Sin City.
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 15:30
Drew wrote:
all these movies suck- the guy's a freak |
Two options.
1. This is a joke.
or
2. You're a joke.
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 16:11
Drew wrote:
all these movies suck- the guy's a freak |
are u in the right place prog= freak
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Posted By: R.Darkmoon
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 01:45
I voted Kill Bill, it maybe one of his least proggy movies but I like
the carnage and the story, even if the blood sometimes seems to be
strawberry-flavor milk
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Posted By: stripthesoul
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 13:21
Honestly, I really want to hear from one of you guys why everyone finds
Tarantino so wonderful. I have done extensive reading about film
and have taken classes on film study, and I even make some shorts
myself, and I honestly don't find Tarantino even remotely
interesting. His films are just glorified violence. I don't
mind violence if it contributes to the plot, but Tarantino's films have
terrible plots. Violence is fine as a means to an end of creating
a meaningful movie that displays the harsh realiities of life, but for
Tarantino, violence is the end in and of itself, which is what I object
to. His storylines are uninteresting, his characters are not well
developed, and he does not use any innovative filming techniques.
Personally, I think foreign directors are far better than Americans at
the moment, but if you're looking for an innovative American filmmaker,
I highly recommend Darren Aronofsky. His two movies, Pi and
Requiem for a Dream, certainly don't shy away from harsh realities, but
they have memorable stories and characters in a way that Tarantino
never will. He also uses an interesting montage technique to show
drug abuse in Requiem for a Dream. Why is it that everyone thinks
Tarantino is such a genius? Is it just society's fascination with
violence for its own sake?
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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 16:05
stripthesoul wrote:
Honestly, I really want to hear from one of you guys why everyone finds Tarantino so wonderful. I have done extensive reading about film and have taken classes on film study, and I even make some shorts myself, and I honestly don't find Tarantino even remotely interesting. His films are just glorified violence. I don't mind violence if it contributes to the plot, but Tarantino's films have terrible plots. Violence is fine as a means to an end of creating a meaningful movie that displays the harsh realiities of life, but for Tarantino, violence is the end in and of itself, which is what I object to. His storylines are uninteresting, his characters are not well developed, and he does not use any innovative filming techniques. Personally, I think foreign directors are far better than Americans at the moment, but if you're looking for an innovative American filmmaker, I highly recommend Darren Aronofsky. His two movies, Pi and Requiem for a Dream, certainly don't shy away from harsh realities, but they have memorable stories and characters in a way that Tarantino never will. He also uses an interesting montage technique to show drug abuse in Requiem for a Dream. Why is it that everyone thinks Tarantino is such a genius? Is it just society's fascination with violence for its own sake? |
For me it's not the violence, I love his characterisations and the interplay between the characters. The violence is secondary, when you watch a group of bank robbers discussing Madonna's - Like a Virgin or the gay undetones of Top Gun, you're not looking at them as murderers or thieves, you are marvelling at the script. Writing is Tarantino's real strength.
You're definitely right on one point though, the most imaginative and interesting films are being created outside of LA and Hollywood. Europe has an incredible set of innovative filmmakers at the present.
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 16:43
The dialogue and the strong characters in Tarantino's films is the main thing for me. Sorry stripthesoul, but I wonder, have you even seen his films? Reservoir Dogs, violence for violence's sake? Hardly so. Pulp Fiction, nothing but 2½ hours of shooting and fighting? I don't think so. And the movies also have loads of black humour.
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Posted By: R.Darkmoon
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 18:41
Yeah!! only violence!!!!
Seriously, Tarantino has made good movies 'cause of how he uses his
characters. Underdeveloped but they show several faces of themselves
through the story. You can think for example that Uma will kill
the little girl after the first fight in Kill Bill but she doesn't and
that's good, he gives a little twist to the story that will leave you
guessin' what happened for the rest of your life.
I would say that he may not be the best director in the whole
world but in the Hollywood(Mainstream) scene he is one of the most
experimental director
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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 21:49
Tarantino is so damn good with dialogue. In my opinion it is the dialogue that really drives his movies. It is incredibly real and interesting. Everything else is great too.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 17:26
Pulkp Fiction...I have the movie poster overlooking my PC desk...
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: September 07 2005 at 17:01
Pulp Fiction - loved the dark humour - Tarantino just brilliant!!
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 03:31
I voted for Jackie Brown, which was a decent movie. Reservoir Dogs was a huge disappointment to me, I maybe waited too much from it, as I like Harvey Keitel very much. Haven't watched the others, they don't seem very interesting to me.
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I think the main idea in the movies of this guy are the aestethics of the scenes he makes. They don't appeal to me, so it's quite difficult for me to like them. I'm also not very interested of pulp literature, so the scripts he uses for his films seem silly to me.
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Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 03:33
stripthesoul wrote:
Why is it that everyone thinks Tarantino is such a genius? Is it just society's fascination with violence for its own sake? |
Violence is an italian art! Argento, Bertolucci, and the immigrants Scorsese etc.
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Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 22 2005 at 23:28
"Pulp Fiction", but they're all great.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 20 2008 at 17:36
Reservoir Dogs by a long shot. I still love Pulp Fiction tough. I hate Kill Bill.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 20 2008 at 19:52
JACKIE BROWN ALL THE WAY! What a great film. Not nearly appreciated as much as it should be. Excellent excellent and excellent. That is what Jackie Brown is.
stripthesoul wrote:
Honestly, I really want to hear from one of you guys why everyone finds
Tarantino so wonderful. I have done extensive reading about film
and have taken classes on film study, and I even make some shorts
myself, and I honestly don't find Tarantino even remotely
interesting. His films are just glorified violence. I don't
mind violence if it contributes to the plot, but Tarantino's films have
terrible plots. Violence is fine as a means to an end of creating
a meaningful movie that displays the harsh realiities of life, but for
Tarantino, violence is the end in and of itself, which is what I object
to. His storylines are uninteresting, his characters are not well
developed, and he does not use any innovative filming techniques.
Personally, I think foreign directors are far better than Americans at
the moment, but if you're looking for an innovative American filmmaker,
I highly recommend Darren Aronofsky. His two movies, Pi and
Requiem for a Dream, certainly don't shy away from harsh realities, but
they have memorable stories and characters in a way that Tarantino
never will. He also uses an interesting montage technique to show
drug abuse in Requiem for a Dream. Why is it that everyone thinks
Tarantino is such a genius? Is it just society's fascination with
violence for its own sake?
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There isn't that much violence in his films, compared to the English Patient or I don't know The 40-Year Old Virgin. Yes they are more violent than those two, but really there's not much in there you wouldn't see in any other action movie and even a good portion of dramas. Jackie Brown was especially toned down compared to his other films (however that is not why it is great). I wouldn't say his use of violence is glorified either. Look at something like Saw or to be more extreme Ichi the Killer. There you have violence that could be considered glorified, but I mean if you get stabbed with a sword you will bleed. If you get your limbs cut off, you will bleed. You also clearly have a different interpretation of violence for use in film. Many directors do. Tarrantino's films do not center on violence and when there is violence it certainly contributes to the plot. A man is shot. That character dies because he was shot. BOOM. Story development.
His stories are very interesting because they involve many aspects of revenge, betrayal, in-depth discussions, people you wouldn't want to be involved with, good vs. evil, among many. Sounds like he uses pretty much all the things that any other notable director would. The difference between someone like Kubrick or Godard with Tarrantino is that Tarrantino has an appreciation for all types of films. More notably Kung fu, Samurai, Horror, Western, and Blaxploitation films. All genres that have great elements and movies to go with.
Maybe Tarrantino doesn't use "innovative techniques" but how many directors really do? And there is a time and place for innovation. If he needed to be innovative he probably could figure something out.
Aronofsky is good, but he is a completely different kind of filmmaker from Tarrantino. I'd also say his films are just as violent as Tarrantino's he just doesn't show blood quite as much. Arronofsky isn't that innovative though. He's clever, but so is Tarrantino.
Also not all movies are about or supposed to be about "the harsh realities of life". That would be lame. And sure there are plenty of great foreign directors, but there are plenty of great American directors too. I find foreign cinematography (like in the Wong Kar-Wai films) to have a slight step up on America's, but that doesn't mean we don't have just as many great filmmakers.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 14:27
TheProgtologist wrote:
I voted Resevoir Dogs,I love that movie.And honestly,I really wouldn't call Jackie Brown a masterpiece. |
But it has that great scene in the kitchen. You know which one I'm talkin bout.
I went with the Dogs. Great movie,great cast.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:03
Reservoir Dogs, no contest. After that one, he started believing his own hype. Pulp Fiction felt like a student film stretched out to feature length and given an A-list budget. Jackie Brown was okay but nothing special. Kill Bill is kinda fun because it's such a bloated vanity project but would have been much more entertaining had it been half as long and much cheaper... hey, wait a second, now I'm basically describing Neil Marshall's Doomsday.
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 00:39
I have to go with the rest of the crowd and choose Pulp Fiction, it is still one of my favorite films. Although Reservoir Dogs too was an excellent film as well.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 00:46
crimhead wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
I voted Resevoir Dogs,I love that movie.And honestly,I really wouldn't call Jackie Brown a masterpiece. |
But it has that great scene in the kitchen. You know which one I'm talkin bout.
I went with the Dogs. Great movie,great cast.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:30
Pulp Fiction for me.
But if Sin City was on there, i'd vote for that. I dunno why, i just love the movie, it's very clever IMO.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:43
kibble_alex wrote:
Pulp Fiction for me.But if Sin City was on there, i'd vote for that. I dunno why, i just love the movie, it's very clever IMO.
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Tarrantino only had a directing part in the car scene. The rest was all Rodriguez.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 13:35
I like all of em, Pulp fiction is no doubt one of the best movies ever, however the most recent one i seen is Kill Bill 2 and i think it was very good, it got my vote.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:19
BroSpence wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Pulp Fiction for me.But if Sin City was on there, i'd vote for that. I dunno why, i just love the movie, it's very clever IMO.
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Tarrantino only had a directing part in the car scene. The rest was all Rodriguez. |
damn, you learn something new every day
well then it's settled, Pulp it is.
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Posted By: WinterLight
Date Posted: June 24 2008 at 22:05
I've seen his Pulp Fiction only. While it's entertaining, it's hardly the stuff of serious film. He makes art films for people who don't like art films.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 25 2008 at 15:06
kibble_alex wrote:
BroSpence wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Pulp Fiction for me.But if Sin City was on there, i'd vote for that. I dunno why, i just love the movie, it's very clever IMO.
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Tarrantino only had a directing part in the car scene. The rest was all Rodriguez. | damn, you learn something new every day well then it's settled, Pulp it is. |
Forgot to add that Frank Miller had some directing duties too.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 25 2008 at 15:08
Wasn't that credit added just out of respect for him by Rodriguez?
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 26 2008 at 23:42
I think he did do some directing though. A-rod and Tarrantino dropped their director's guild membership because of the credit or something like that. Miller is directing a new movie by himself based on one of his graphic novels.
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:49
A director that I really like, one of my favourites for sure. The most classic, "Pulp Fiction".
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 26 2008 at 17:56
fandango wrote:
Pulkp Fiction...I have the movie poster overlooking my PC desk... |
blimey...yeah, I remember that poster....
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 14:44
Where's Grindhouse on this list?
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Posted By: etherealpixie
Date Posted: October 04 2008 at 02:58
Pulp Fiction! Although I am ashamed to say I have not seen Jackie Brown. But where is Four Rooms? Not as good as Pulp fiction, but still.
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: October 04 2008 at 05:18
Kill Bill 2!I love it for many reasons:such a great tribute to Sergio Leone,Uma Thurman,Michael Madsen, Daryl Hannah,David Carradine........Moreover using L 'Arena one of Morricone's best tracks from the soundtrack of Il Mercenario(one of Sergio Corbucci's masterpieces):such a treat
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: October 04 2008 at 15:27
Yeah, Pulp Fiction's violence is far from gratuitous, and for Kill Bill, it's an emulation of kung fu movies, what do you expect?
Anyway I'm close to voting for Kill Bill Volume 2 because of the scene where she PUNCHES HERSELF OUT OF A COFFIN AFTER BEING BURIED ALIVE. But still I prefer Pulp Fiction.
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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 03:50
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