A great album that came out the year you were born
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Topic: A great album that came out the year you were born
Posted By: Seventh Arrow
Subject: A great album that came out the year you were born
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 08:36
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Name one great album that came out the year you were born! (does not have to be prog) For me: Jethro Tull - Aqualung
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Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 08:41
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For me: Joy Division - Closer ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 09:02
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Time Out - Dave Brubeck Quartet ------------- 
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Posted By: Michael P. Dawson
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 09:19
Never actually listened to it myself, but you've got to admit it's an iconic album. ------------- Buy this thing! https://store.cdbaby.com/Artist/MichaelPDawson" rel="nofollow - https://store.cdbaby.com/Artist/MichaelPDawson |
Posted By: Seventh Arrow
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 09:26
Yes, even the album cover is iconic!
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Michael P. Dawson wrote:Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 09:27
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It's got to be Revolver, the best thing the Beatles did. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 09:36
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ELP's Love Beach. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 11:09
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I've already mentioned Soundtracks For The Blind on another of these threads... ... so this time I'll mention Long Season by Fishmans. -------------  
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 11:15
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Ende Neu by Einstürzende Neubauten ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 21:26
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The film and soundtrack to the film of Rogers and Hammerstein's South Pacific. Miles Davis' Milestones? Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers with Thelonious Monk? Buddy Holly Buddy Holly? Sonny Rollins Freedom Suite? Tito Puente Dance Mania? Frank Sinatra Come Fly with Me? I don't know! I give up! What's the right answer??? ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 21:50
| I was born in 1979... so actually there wasn't so much great stuff released that year... at least not that I have found yet. Many good songs... though perhaps not as much as on other years. I guess the only whole album I know I can say is great is The Wall, and indeed I love it... but compared to the few previous albums it's a let-down. |
Posted By: Seventh Arrow
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 21:55
Well there's always Breakfast In America by Supertramp and Entertainment! by Gang of Four.
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 22:19
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In the Court of the Crimson King ! ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 22:51
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MOI - Freak Out! ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 23:04
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1994 The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails ------------- https://twitter.com/ProgFollower" rel="nofollow - @ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 02 2016 at 23:52
Unwound– Repetition Wilco– Being There Weezer– Pinkerton Chavez– Ride the Fader And Also the Trees– Angelfish ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 00:05
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KHAN - Space Shanty (1972) Best album - EVER !!!! |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 00:26
Don't forget Phantom of the Night by Kayak!
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 00:38
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I was born in the prog-crilegious year of 2000 so not much great stuff was coming from the oldies. There was however Iona's Open Sky, GY!BE's Raise Your Skinny Fists..., and Lightbulb Sun to name a few. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 00:52
------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 03:19
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The Times They Are A-Changin', by His Bobness. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 03:30
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 04:13
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 04:20
The one and same. To be fair, there was not a great deal of choice for best album in 1964  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 04:46
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^ Perhaps. And I know you love certain Neo-Prog bands. Nothing wrong with that AT ALL. I hope you admire Christina and Rob (and I think you do.......) But Dylan, I CANNOT STAND. Even covers of his songs are superior - especially The Nice things. Obviously he could write a song which lends itself to greater things, but his mindset was that of a dumbass stoner...... Apologies, I used to be one of those........... |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 08:05
we clearly were born the same year, but I'm going with Mary O'Hara's Songs of Ireland.
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Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 08:34
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1999 Stupid Dream by Porcupine Tree and Metropolis Part 2 by Dream Theater! ------------- User Banned for this Post |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 09:19
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Totally agree with Tom about Bob Dylan.
Since I mentioned The Division Bell on another thread, I'll go with Collage's Moonshine this time... and PT's Staircase Infinities if EP's are valid.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 09:27
Uh, Rust Never Sleeps Off the Wall Breakfast in America Damn the Torpedoes Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants Joe's Garage, Acts I, II and III London Calling ... ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 09:59
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Thick as Brick! |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 17:04
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Bo Diddley's Bo Diddley ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 21:49
| 1985. Plenty to choose but will go with Prefab Sprout's Steve McQueen. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 22:14
And Gary Numan and the Tubeway Army's Replicas and Talking Head's Fear of Music. I'd personally include David Bowie's Lodger amongst great mainstream picks. For me as a RIO/Avant Prog lover, 1979 is an incredible year. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 03 2016 at 22:23
OK, there have been many sugestions from '79 that I don't know, so I might have to check some more albums soon 
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 06:12
This one. I have it on pretty good authority that I was conceived to this guy's music ... ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 06:21
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hah... if you are posting covers like that.. you are old enough to have caught this in its live glory.. so being old does have its advantages I guess  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 09:43
| My favourite album from the year I was born is The Seeds of Love by Tears for Fears. |
Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 13:32
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The Beatles Abbey Road |
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 15:12
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Nas - Illmatic Soundgarden - Superunknown Hole - Live Through This Dream Theater - Awake Cake - Motorcade of Generosity Stratovarius - Dreamspace The list goes on... 1994 was a great year for music, it seems ------------- Take me down, to the underground Won't you take me down, to the underground Why oh why, there is no light And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life https://www.youtube.com/@CocoonMasterBrendan-wh3sd |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 15:50
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Im going to cheat slightly, Coltrane - A Love Supreme was recorded in 1964 and released in Feb 65, otherwise I'll take Mingus - Mingus x5 ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 16:26
Probably something Sinatra ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 16:39
 Yeah. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 22:22
"Fairy Tales" by Mother Gong is a great album from 1979. Unfortunately there is a flaw in the YouTube version of the longest track "Wassilissa" a certain section appears twice while another is left out. I would mention "Phallus Dei" by Amon Düül 2 as an album that came out the year I was born. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 04 2016 at 22:32
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At Newport 1960 - Muddy Waters Sketches of Spain - Miles Davis Change of the Century - Ornette Coleman Joan Baez - Joan Baez Sings Hank Williams - Johnny Cash ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 00:16
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Mary Had a Little Lamb - Thomas Edison (some days it feels that way if I have to run for a bus)
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 03:02
I don't believe you. You were born ten years after. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 03:05
Ok, I am telling you my age: one of my favourite albums of all times! ------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 03:08
------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 03:39
Well I was like in first grade, but 'You Can't Always Get What You Want', 'Gimme Shelter', 'Midnight Rambler', a little bit of Robert Johnson - what more could you ask for? ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 05:36
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the Beatles' "White Album" (which I consider to be a full-fledged prog album). other albums worth mentioning would have been Procol Harum's "Shine on Brightly", Iron Butterfly's "In-a-gadda-da-vida", Pink Floyd's "A Saucerful of Secrets", the Grateful Dead's "Anthem of the Sun" (another full-fledged prog album), Jimi Hendrix's "Electric Ladyland" or Steppenwolf's first self-titled album -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 05:39
it was a great one no doubt! And I thought you older...  . ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 07:00
| Rock Bottom by Robert Wyatt. |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 10:31
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Bill Haley: Rock around the clock But more importantly: the first Fender Strat saw the light of day in this year of 1954.  |
Posted By: TWillG94
Date Posted: June 05 2016 at 17:19
| Oasis-Definitely Maybe |
Posted By: Miss Soprenor
Date Posted: June 06 2016 at 13:34
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1997-Yes-Open Your Eyes.......... |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 06 2016 at 13:59
Interesting choice, in that it is general,y regarded as the weakest of all Yes studio releases. I would suggest a trip to the Prog Archives top albums of that year to expand your horizons a bit. Simply go to too albums of 2015 on the homepage, then use the filter to choose 1997. You will see classics from Radiohead, IQ, Marillion, The Flower Kings, Peter Hamill, to name but a few. All of them are vastly superior to what was supposed to be a Chris Squire and Billy Sherwood collaboration, but ended being a springboard for renewed Yes activity, and was, in truth, extremely poor. Do you have any other Yes albums? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:21
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 06 2016 at 14:43
You have selectively quoted my post. I would have thought it fairly obvious that my entire post was not intended to harass a 19 year old enthusiast, but to provide her with my considered opinion and advice on how to expand her horizons. Don't be so f**king rude. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: June 07 2016 at 10:02
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 07 2016 at 11:35
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ITCOTCK of course.. 1969? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 09 2016 at 15:26
So, were you recorded in 64 and released in 65? ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 09 2016 at 15:27
Who is Mary O'Hara and how the heck do you know her? Was she a blood relative? ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Sardonite Calamity
Date Posted: June 09 2016 at 17:40
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1999: (I know it's not prog) Parachutes by Coldplay Metropolis pt.2- Dream Theater Besides that, there's not much good albums from 99' 
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: June 09 2016 at 20:16
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Iron Maiden - Powerslave The Smiths - Hatful of Hollow
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Posted By: Miss Soprenor
Date Posted: August 08 2016 at 16:13
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Lol "19 year old enthusiast" It was honestly the first 1997 prog album I thought of. Not one of my favorites by any means. In order for me to actually have a "choice" of a prog album, I would have to be older. I've never really listened to much "prog" past the 70s though Dream Theater is okay. |
Posted By: Miss Soprenor
Date Posted: August 08 2016 at 16:21
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Lol "19 year old enthusiast" It was honestly the first 1997 prog album I thought of. Not one of my favorites by any means. In order for me to actually have a "choice" of a prog album, I would have to be older. I've never really listened to much "prog" past the 70s though Dream Theater is okay. |
Posted By: Miss Soprenor
Date Posted: August 08 2016 at 16:41
| Okay I take that back. Peter Gabriel after the 70s I adore |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 08 2016 at 19:35
1962 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 08 2016 at 19:59
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Revolver ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: August 08 2016 at 22:12
| Horse Stories (Dirty Three) - 1996 |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 09 2016 at 02:31
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Walkin' and Cookin' 'Round About Midnight with Bags' Groove in 1957 witnessed the Birth of Cool that was Miles Ahead of any other year before or since. However, since I have no love of jazz and find brass instruments to be disagreeable that means little to me thou' it's nice that Mr Davis recognised my birth with a suitable album title. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 09 2016 at 04:31
Sgt Pepper's 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 09 2016 at 04:32
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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bud+stitt&view=detailv2&adlt=strict&id=3D222537C9F4C2A14280F2A52868C94202878492&selectedIndex=8&ccid=ng9qSt6G&simid=608053781215904238&thid=OIP.M9e0f6a4ade868d78b3a17899f2d41faeo2" rel="nofollow"> 1951.
Click on the X.
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Posted By: starless2112
Date Posted: August 14 2016 at 18:32
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Animals by Pink Floyd is 39 years old this year.
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Posted By: Darious
Date Posted: August 15 2016 at 11:02
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I was born in the year when Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, Genesis' Selling England by the Pound and Caravan's For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night were out. Remarkable year. ------------- Writing about truth is a little bit like getting your dick out in public and hoping no one laughs (Steve Hogarth) |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: August 15 2016 at 11:52
indeed! ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Cambus741
Date Posted: August 15 2016 at 12:56
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Beatles Abbey Road David Bowie David Bowie Al Stewart Love Chronicles |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 02:30
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UFO - Phenomenon :)
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 04:01
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There are many, but Khan - Space Shanty !! |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 04:10
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There are so many, can´t name just one: Dark Side of the Moon, Selling England by the Pound, a Passion Play, Larks Tongues, Heartbreaker (from Free), Billion Dollar Babies, Ooh La La (from Faces), Space Ritual, Yessongs, Flying Teapot, Tubular Bells, Bananamour, Razamanaz (from Nazareth), Goats Head Soup, Cosmic Slop, Mott, Tres Hombres, New York Dolls, (pronounced Leh-nerd Skin-nerd), Brothers and Sisters, Berlin, Future Days, Faust IV, For Girls who grow Plump, Quadrophenia, Houses Of the Holy, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Angel´s Egg, Raw Power... I am still thinking 1971 was better year in prog and music commonly, but my birthyear was also quite a year.
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 05:08
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Digging back into my album collection..... My Favorite Things - John Coltrane Waltz for Debby - Bill Evans Trio Sunday Night at the Village Vanguard - Bill Evans Trio Know What I Mean - Cannonball Adderley with Bill Evans Too many young people on this forum! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 09:29
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Do 78 RPMs count as albums? |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 09:39
there was no good music in 1978?
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 10:07
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Hi, 1950 Hard to list "progressive" anything here, but here's a short list of stuff. The order is so-so, but Les paul is definitely one of the biggies that influenced music with his instrument, probably more than the others. Toscanini's version of the Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony always seem to find itself ranked as one of the great recordings of classical music, and the definitive version of that Symphony. Les Paul Charlie Parker Ella Fitsgerald Toscanini (Tchaikovsky 6th Symphony) Woody Guthrie Pete Seeger Edith Piaf Nat King Cole Stan Kenton Billie Holiday Benny Goodman ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 11:11
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 11:16
the OP said it does not have to be prog. UFO's prog moment? their second album :)
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 11:18
 ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 12:31
------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 12:37
Phenomenon is my favorite UFO album, I warmly recommend it as well :)
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 13:09
| Secrets of the Beehive. |
Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 15:33
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Tom Waits - Big Time Living Colour - Vivid Soundgarden - Ultramega OK Voivod - Dimension Hatröss Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Tender Prey Deep Purple - Nobody's Perfect Rush - A Show Of Hands Joe Satriani - Dreaming #11 Frank Zappa - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore (Sampler) Frank Zappa - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1 Frank Zappa - You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2 Frank Zappa - Broadway The Hard Way Frank Zappa - Guitar Death - Leprosy Cardiacs - Live Cardiacs - A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window Fates Warning - No Exit King's X - Out Of The Silent Planet Iron Maiden - Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son ------------- 
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 16:00
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Mothers - We're Only In It For The Money ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: tempest_77
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 16:28
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Kid A by Radiohead. Beautiful. ------------- I use they/them pronouns (feel free to ask me about this!) Check out my music on https://tempestsounds.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - my bandcamp ! |
Posted By: Braka
Date Posted: May 21 2018 at 06:24
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Please Please Me - first Beatles album Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - first PROPER Bob Dylan album Even if there were more to choose from, I'd probably still pick 'Freewheelin'. I think Dylan has only had one truly great album in the past 50 years, but that doesn't lessen what he achieved between 63 and 66. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: May 21 2018 at 06:58
| ^The Ventures released three really great albums in your birthyear: Surfing, the Ventures Play the Country Classics & Let´s Go! |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: May 21 2018 at 07:27
| Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band |
Posted By: noni
Date Posted: May 21 2018 at 11:48
| The only ones that I would go for, is Cliff Richard and also The Shadows... Though there were some great singles or hits around when I was born. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 21 2018 at 12:25
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Not sure if I answered this before or not but here it goes: King Crimson - In the Wake of Poseidon (released one month after I was born)
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 21 2018 at 14:06
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Records hadn't been invented yet when I was born.... ;) Ok.....that was a long time ago...I'll go with Miles Davis- Blue Period....  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: RomerilloLaMissFripp
Date Posted: May 28 2018 at 03:40
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Rated R - QOTSA Dopethrone - Electric Wizard the construKction of light Brave New World - Iron Maiden Cabezas de Cera - Cabezas de Cera Salival - Tool Things To Come... - Yeti Dead Meadow - Dead Meadow Endless Plasmatic Childhood Overdose - Liquid Visions Come Il Seguitare delle Stagione - Il Castello Di Atlante Pallaschtom - Ruins Lento Y Real - Yajaira Spain- Michel Camilo |