Celestial Voices - Pink Floyd
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Topic: Celestial Voices - Pink Floyd
Posted By: Fearlessly
Subject: Celestial Voices - Pink Floyd
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 06:35
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVlL3gwVuoA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVlL3gwVuoA Does anyone else think this is one of the bands most accomplished and proficient efforts? I don't often see it being brought up when discussing the best of Floyd, but Wright, Gilmour, and Mason are on absolute fire here.
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Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 07:14
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Welcome to the ProgArchives! The track is one of the most moving they've done and the chord progression is very sophisticated! ------------- |
Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 07:53
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Emblematic moment indeed. My personnal favorite track of Live at Pompeii is this one: ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 08:58
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That's the only part of "A Saucerful Of Secrets"(the song) where the studio version is superior to any live performance. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 09:21
I tend to agree, but the first three parts live compensate for that. ------------- What? |
zravkapt wrote:Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 09:26
| ^^ I agree, the darkness of the studio version gives me goosebumps. Tangerine Dream were probably inspired by that part. |
Posted By: Fearlessly
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 18:46
I agree. It's one of the few Pink Floyd tracks that nearly made me cry.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 24 2016 at 23:05
| I find it wonderful too. Instruments, and Gilmour's vocals are sublime. However, I think the version of Ummagumma has the vocal part longer (I would have to check it out anyway to make sure), so I would prefer that one. And no, I definitley don't like the studio version better, I think this one is much more enjoyable. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 25 2016 at 10:11
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Hi, The whole film is great ... and it is an experience, that you would have gotten live at the time. This band was as good, if not better, at the Hollywood Bowl in 1972, if which I was lucky enough to have heard a bootleg of it. I much prefer this era to anything from DSOTM and on ...
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: March 25 2016 at 11:18
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Thank you, sir; may I have another? ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Fearlessly
Date Posted: March 26 2016 at 01:45
I agree. I initially used to prefer their DSTOM era, but, to me, this was Floyd at their most driven, experimental, and creative. They had this relentless determination to make it but not at the expense of artistically compensating themselves. They were just on fire here, and there was a real balance in the band, as opposed to it being more Water-centric in subsequent years.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 26 2016 at 02:35
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Imvho the concert performance of all of Saucer brings out the theme far more effectively. Still, interesting sub topic - which PF studio versus live numbers are preferred. e.g. The climax of Echoes is best done in the studio version... by best I mean the piece's most effective communication. Sub sub topic - I prefer the Ummgumma version to this ... just. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 26 2016 at 23:40
Oh, there are so many Pink Floyd songs I prefer live. - Astronomy Domine on Pulse. - Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun on Ummagumma, or even better on Pompeii. - Celestial voices on Ummagumma. - Careful with that Axe Eugene on Umagumma. - Not really oficially released, but Embryo, Fat Old Sun, and Cymbaline on live versions from the era, BBC recordings or whatever... though Fat Old Sun does have the Gilmour solo version on Remember that Night that is wonderful too. Not really Pink Floyd, but the "acoustic" version of Dominoes on "David Gilmour in Concert" is really wonderful too. - One of this days on Delicate Sound of Thunder. - Wot's Uh... the deal, on Gilmour's Live in Gdansk. - Wish you Were Here on Pulse. - Another Brick on the Wall on Pulse (just the song I prefer on Pulse, unfortunatley I prefer it even more to go together with The Happiest Days of our Lives, and for the duo the studio version is best). - Mother from Water's In The Flesh live album. - What Shall we do now, from The Wall in Berlin. - Another Brick in the Wall 3 from the Berlin album. - Hey You on Pulse. - Comfrotably Numb on Delicate Sound of Thunder. - In the Flesh from Berlin. - This one is totally Gilmour, but Murder live is much better. I think it's only been officially released on VHS, though. Actually, most of the songs from that album were better live... I think Near the End was also excellent on that live release. - On the Turnin Away from Delicate sound of Thunder. - Yet Another Movies, on Delicate Sound of Thunder. - This one is totally Waters, but Perfect Sense, parts 1 & 2, on In The Flesh live. - A Great Day for Freedom on the David Gilmour on Concert DVD. - High Hopes on Pulse. - Rick Wright's Breakthrough, on the David Gilmour on Concert DVD. - Any track from Gilmour's "On an Island" was better for me either on "Live in Gdansk" or "Remember that Night". I particularly like the title track, though (plus, the live albums feature Rick Wright on all of it, which combined with the backing band, which is mostly the same used on Pulse, makes this releases seem almost a Pink Floyd release). - And I really expect to hear live versions from Gilmour's new album to find some new favourite live versions. - Special mention to Roger Waters versions of "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" and "Welcome to the Machine", which are wonderful too, and very different from the originals, but I still prefer the more minimalistic versions with Pink Floyd. - Also special mention to Waters "Each Small Candle", which is a wonderful live song... though it has no studio original to compare it with. - And last special mention to Echoes on "Live in Gdansk" (or Remember that Night), for it is mostly stronger, with really wonderful and improved guitar solos... but as you mentioned before, the build-up after the screeching guitars sections is still unrivaled on the studio original, and just for that I prefer it (it feature perhaps my very favourite Wright moment, which for some reason he just wouldn't play the same on the live versions). |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 27 2016 at 00:00
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There is always Childhood's End (1973 tour), extended with DG doing his guitar thing his way. You know what I mean. Lovely 10 minute type versions. If only there were a lovely soundboard somewhere. Official release is probably set for another 100 years away... As for Set The Controls may I recommend the unofficial version of Ummagumma whereupon Set The Controls is not faded early (why this has not been fixed for the CD version I have no idea. Unless it has, I've not heard all the PF remixes / remasters. You also get Interstellar Overdrive which could have reworked the CD version of Ummagumma very nicely thank you. But yes, as Dellinger mentioned - the BBC sessions; the recordings from 1970 and '71, the John Peel In Concert series plus the 1968 and 1969 studio sessions (Celestial Voices is also isolated in one version) makes for terrific extra curricular PF listening. As he mentioned, Embryo - this is where DG really gets the soloing going. As well as the space trip thing. Watch out for Corrosion and Moonhead as well. Gosh, we'll be dissecting A Man; A Journey next... (hint - the 1996 rebroadcast of the Concertgebeouw Amsterdam show from 17 Sept '69 if I recall rightly).  |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 27 2016 at 06:32
'Behold The Temple Of Light' - Celestial Voices crossed with The Narrow Way III. Pure majik 
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Posted By: ALotOfBottle
Date Posted: March 27 2016 at 06:39
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Yeah, this is a fantastic piece. One of my favorites from Pink Floyd and one of the proggiest they ever produced. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 27 2016 at 10:45
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Hi, I think I collected something like 10 to 12 different versions of "Set the Controls for the heart of the sun" and ... love them all, even if the details are so minor! Just wonderful listens. Same thing for Echoes. However, it could also be said that those were my "formative" years, and thus the music had a bigger level of appreciation than otherwise. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 27 2016 at 23:10
I have never been much of a fan of Childhood's End, but perhaps if I heard that live version... Floyd had a way to make regular songs really special by playing them live with Gilmour's guitar thing (and Wright's keyboard thing shouldn't be overlooked either, specially on this early concerts). About Ummagumma... perhaps that's the album I would like them to release on a special bonus added edition. I never notice the live version of Set the Controls was faded (my version lasts for 9:12 min), but if it is, I would certainly want it complete (still, I would rather be able to get a CD release of it from Live at Pompeii, which I prefer over this one). And I had heard about Intersellar Overdrive from this concert, which I would also love to be able to get (I did get a version of it with Gilmour recently, on the on the BBC '68/69 album, but it was rather dissapointing, with the guitar at the beginning much too tame). |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 27 2016 at 23:16
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^ Ommayad is an unofficial LP I have with a Gilmour Interstellar on it, Embryo, and a lot of Zabriskie stuff. Still love the loooong Interstellar on the Live In London release. With dear Syd, of course. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 28 2016 at 23:14
| I was never much of a fan of the long jamming section on Interstellar Overdrive, even though the initial riffing (repeated at the end) is very cool, so I don't really enjoy the long Live in London version. Actually, my favourite version is a shortened one that appears on an anniversary edition of the album, with lot's of bonus alternate versions of the songs (apart from the early singles). |
Posted By: InstrupsychedeMental
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 05:58
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Very cool thread. I still love my Floyd boots, but my info claims I am without either Childhood's End or Illusions of Childhood's End, both from '73 recordings and, from what I understand, an audience recording in Chicago. I noticed that the entire Illusions disc has been uploaded to youtube, but I think I've found a better source-; I'll know in about an hour, barring whatevas. I've been using the following site http://www.pf-roio.de/roio/roio-cd/illusions_childhood_end.cd.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.pf-roio.de/roio/roio-cd/illusions_childhood_end.cd.html for information on the Floyd boots available, but it seems to have not been updated or further developed for many years. Anybody know of an alternative for good Floyd boot info? I should check my pdf's, too. Anywho, cool stuff. I really dig Obscured By Clouds. Live at Pompeii, also. gracias |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 06:06
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^ We all have to tread carefully when discussing 'unofficial' material here. ............wish we could have a 'secret' bootleg thread, but technically, though many of us have them, they have always done the artist a disservice. I've always said that if I meet any band member featured on an unofficial recording, I'd hand them a tenner (whatevs the pitiful royalty they'd get from a proper album) coz the enjoyment I get from the better recorded boots is immense. |
Posted By: InstrupsychedeMental
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 07:49
Fair enough. Several things mentioned within are unofficial releases. More importantly, for groups such as Pink Floyd I'd claim that we are very lucky that such recordings were made so that we can experience the band's development and creations in a way that would otherwise be impossible. Several of my Floyd boots are on vinyl but, of course, the artists surely did not benefit from the same. I've supported the artists I enjoy like crazy for close to half a century. Probably supported the record companies more in the process, a la the Have a Cigar theme. I'm still new, here, but I think I get your meaning. I certainly don't advocating stealing in any way, shape or form. It could be argued that sampling tunes from youtube does another disservice to the artists, but I suppose if it with the intent of purchasing that which is desired then such could be excused. Tough issues. I guess I agree, in part, with Cory Doctorow (and others) on these issues. 'nuff said |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 08:07
| ^ I agree, these unofficial recordings capture a rare glimpse of many of our favourite bands creative and performing progress 'in flight'. They are priceless, and I love to discuss them in length, but this site is all above board, and we have to respect that, let alone the bands themselves. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 09:11
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While we should not discuss particular RoIO's as such and certainly cannot link to actual recordings, we can kinda discuss them en passant by talking about the live performances they were taken from. For example last week I posted comments about the live performances of Embryo even though no official live versions have been released and I have no first-hand experience of hearing it live. I can do this because details of said performances are 'common knowledge' (e.g., wikipedia, etc.,) and therefore are not illegal, so as long as I do not refer to a bootleg specifically I haven't broken any rules (and therefore the PA cannot get in trouble with the man). ------------- What? |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 09:19
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For a band like Pink Floyd, I think they and their record company missed out on a huge opportunity to make even more money (as if they haven't made enough with just the official releases!) by releasing a lot of these boots themselves. The demand has always been there, and probably still is. I suppose they didn't want to release anything of low quality, but I have heard a number of PF boots that have close to excellent sound quality. Instead, we just have two live albums from their 70's period that were actually released while they were a band. Of course, we have Delicate Sound Of Thunder and Pulse as well, but that I don't really count those as they are basically run thorough's of the studio versions (there is little to no changes in any of that material from what is on the studio albums). I think that is why their 70's boots are so popular, because each performance was different from the last (not drastically, of course, but enough to make it worth having multiple versions of the same songs). I've heard boots from the 80's and 90's, and aside from Echoes on the first leg of the first Momentary Lapse tour, there really is no reason to have any of them over the official live release. This isn't the case with the 70's material. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 09:37
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^ I respect Floyd's restraint in not flooding the market in sub-standard live recordings (just as I respect their restraint in not allowing their music on compilation albums and, until recently, their restraint in not releasing a plethora of 'greatest hits' compilations). Ummagumma, Delicate Sound of Thunder, Pulse and Is There Anybody Out There? are not the only official live releases. The immersion editions of DSotM and WYWH have live recordings from the 1974 tour recorded at the Wembley Empire Pool. Here the notable tracks can be found on the WYWH bonus discs: the pre-WYWH version of Shine On You Crazy Diamond (then just called Shine On), the pre-Animals versions of Dogs (You Gotta Be Crazy) and Sheep (Ravin' and Drollin'), and one track from Household Objects project (Wine Glasses) that ended up being incorporated into Shine On. A second track from Household Objects (The Hard Way) can be found on one of the DSotM bonus discs. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 10:26
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I like what the celestial voices are singing at the start of Not Now John. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 22:58
I have always thought that if I already have every studio and live album a band has released, then I'm not really doing any harm by obtaining an unoficial recording that they haven't released. And if they did release it, I would buy it, of course. And I believe usually people who are fans enough to seek out this unoficial recordings would already have everything the band has already released. Not that I am actually fond of looking for such recordings... I'm somewhat too lazy for that. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 23:10
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^ good point. ------------- |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 23:22
Now, I'm still wondering about a few BBC recordings I bought some months ago. They are not bootlegs, at least as far as I understand. I got them in Amazon (I don't know if they have any restrictions about selling such recordings), but it's not clear how involved (I would bet just about not at all) were the members of Floyd, or even if they were considered on the decision of releasing them. However, they do include versions of Embryo, and if they are not bootlegs, then perhaps we could actually consider that live song as having been released already. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 23:29
Actually, songs on Delicate Sound and Pulse (at least some of them) are different enough from the originals that I would prefer them over the studio ones... sure, not as different as the performances from the 70's, but they are good enough. I particularly like "Another Brick in the Wall 2" on Pulse, with longer and better guitar solo at the end; "Comfortably Numb" on Delicate Sound, with even longer and better solo at the end too; "Yet Another Movie" on Delicate Sound is very different, and much better than the original, as far as I'm concerned; and "High Hopes", specially because of the backing vocals at the end. There are some other songs that I do like better on this two live albums, but I guess the differences would be less significant. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 29 2016 at 23:37
Yeah, I think it's great too that they have not flooded the market with unecessary releases (as, for example, Jimi Hendrix who has much more compilation albums than the albums he actually released). And it's great that they wouldn't release albums with inadecuate sound quality. However, it would be nice indeed if they released one or two proper live albums from the 70's. Actually, I believe that the Bowl recording that was released with the immersion releases should have been released as a new live album instead (I believe it also included a version of Echoes that was didn't fit in either Dark Side or WYWH). But some live album(s) from pre Dark Side would have been great, in order to get live versions of Fat Old Sun, Embryo, Cymbaline, and some others... plus some live album from the Animals tour (DVD would be what I would really love to get from this tour, but I have read several times that this is just about impossible, for that tour wasn't filmed). |
Posted By: Fearlessly
Date Posted: March 31 2016 at 03:27
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I am not too overly-familiar with Pink Floyd bootleg catalogue. Can anyone recommend some of their greatest live performance alterations of some of their studio-produced work? My favourite at this stage is this absolutely incredible version of Time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ6TcoSeLQ4 " rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ6TcoSeLQ4 Gilmour's solo is amazing.
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