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Topic: lets get in trouble with the ladies
Posted By: SNAP
Subject: lets get in trouble with the ladies
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:15

 Any WOMEN on this site? no..really.

 My girlfriends boss, a stapping young lad who is into Siouxie and the Whatnot,you know,power pop/punk garage stuff and me were having a conversation about music and he asked me ( yours truly being a drummer) what I enjoyed the most to listen to and I said without blinking: PROG.

This brought on an strange silence,followed by a reply that still makes me laugh today (this happened a YEAR ago) he said:

Progressive rock? Music 4 lonely guys with no girlfriends!

Ok, I guess you had to be there.But, I do get his point:The music sometimes is downright hard and going in all directions,the topics

arent often about shaking your vertical smile,buying a drink,love y know? Thats exactly why we LIKE THIS STUFF right? Right?

Any WOMEN out here?

 



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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:18

Most women just aren't intelligent enough to grasp the complexities of prog rock.  (I don't really believe that but since this is a thread about ticking off the women, and since that is one of my favorite hobbies - see my signature below - I figured what the hell).



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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:19
Plenty, and there are many threads on the matter.

Oh, and we're not ALL lonely guys living in pizza-box mazes y'know.


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:21
^ Yeah, I may live in a pizza box maze, but I'm not lonely.  That's what the four women chained up in the basement are for.

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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:23

I doubt it- seriously doubt it



Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:24
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

I doubt it- seriously doubt it

i don't



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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:25
^

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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:26
They can't drive either!

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:28
or fly grasshoppers!

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:30

or take full responsibility for their decisions



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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:31
or read a map!

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:32
or stop talking incessantly about their feelings

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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:33
or judge a book by its contents!

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:33
or fix my computer

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Posted By: Louder
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:34

Maybe, just maybe he's right. I know for one, my wife has very little interest in it, but when a Collective Soul song comes out, whoaaa!

But I'm okay with that, put on some Fates Warning, grab a few brewskies, add a few more decibels.........ahhhhh, does it get any better?



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doesn't mean they aren't trying to get you.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:34
Originally posted by Louder Louder wrote:

Maybe, just maybe he's right. I know for one, my wife has very little interest in it, but when a Collective Soul song comes out, whoaaa!

But I'm okay with that, put on some Fates Warning, grab a few brewskies, add a few more decibels.........ahhhhh, does it get any better?

yes it does: turn down the Fate's Warning.



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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:35
or see that guys really don't want to be tied down to one piece of a** for the rest of our lives.

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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:36
I'm making some progress with my girlfriend, prog-wise. She "tolerates" most of my music and even likes some of it. She really enjoyed Ozric Tentacles when I whacked Waterfall Cities on t'other day. 


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:36

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

or read a map!

may i second that??



Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 21:37
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

or read a map!

may i second that??

no



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Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 22:38
My ex-girlfriend really likes Phish, and at the time I hated Phish with a passion.  I was mostly into black/death metal at the time.  The sad thing is,  I kind of like them now...ahh shoot me! 

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Silence is the music of the future.


Posted By: Shaman
Date Posted: August 24 2005 at 23:41
 When I'm looking for some privacy in my house, I just put Frank Zappa's Weasels Ripped My Flesh CD on my stereo and crank the Volume.....then when I put some Pink Floyd stuff my girlfriend reappears.


Posted By: Kryodus
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 00:11

That is very strange that no women are on this site, that really surprises me...

 



Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 00:49
i know a woman who likes most of the progressive stuff: genesis, jethro tull, ozric tentacles, mike oldfield..., she is absolutely incredible! she is very analytical so this helps very much! she did classical ballet! her all-time favorite band is led zeppelin!Big smile

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Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 01:21
Well, my girlfriend does enjoy some Genesis and ELP( particuraly Rodeo) tracks. My daughter really likes Gentle Giant ( she is 3 years of age).

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Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 01:24
I do have to admit however that it is virtually impossible to find a female who listens to prog. As a matter of fact it is equally impossible to find anybody who likes prog.

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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 01:27

 @ stonie, the doc, and SD

And somehow i knew that id find the doc here



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Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 01:34
There are plenty of women members here, but why would they get involved in this moronic thread.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 01:41

Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

There are plenty of women members here, but why would they get involved in this moronic thread.

Good question! I'm a woman and I love prog. Enough said (without giving into the temptation of using strong language...)



Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 02:14

Look 'Doctor'- don't make me order a dominatrix to fly to your house: you'll have nipple-tassles, whips, chains and your blood all over the floor. (Usually I don't use such immature humour but this time I couldn't resist.)

I'm a girl who jumped into prog like a fish swims into water with glee- I'm embracing and loving it. AND I'M A GIRL! Note the gender: WOMAN! The girls you guys know are either one of a kind or you're mainly chauvinist pricks.



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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 03:43

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

or fix my computer

You'd be surprised - I could. I have a degree in computer sciences.



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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 07:59

There are actually quite a few women who have posted here.. and pretty much got fed up with the infantile attitude of the men here, so they've moved on to more adult conversations elsewhere.

I tell you, as one of the females who has been here the longest... I'm no longer amazed at why most prog loving men can't find a girlfriend who likes their music....  Evidently it has nothing to do with the actual music.............



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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 08:16
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

or read a map!

may i second that??

I'll have to agree with that - can't fold maps either. I do the driving, the navigating and have to put up with back seat driving from someone who hasn't even passed her test - yet. When she does I'll enjoy sitting in the passenger seat for a change.



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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 08:36
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

or read a map!

may i second that??

I'll have to agree with that - can't fold maps either. I do the driving, the navigating and have to put up with back seat driving from someone who hasn't even passed her test - yet. When she does I'll enjoy sitting in the passenger seat for a change.


maps can be folded?

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 08:50
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

or read a map!

may i second that??

I'll have to agree with that - can't fold maps either. I do the driving, the navigating and have to put up with back seat driving from someone who hasn't even passed her test - yet. When she does I'll enjoy sitting in the passenger seat for a change.


maps can be folded?

If they can be it's news to Mrs Syzygy, despite her black belt in origami.



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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 09:16
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

or read a map!

may i second that??

I'll have to agree with that - can't fold maps either. I do the driving, the navigating and have to put up with back seat driving from someone who hasn't even passed her test - yet. When she does I'll enjoy sitting in the passenger seat for a change.


maps can be folded?


There's an unwritten rule that once a map's been unfolded, no matter how hard you try and follow the folds, you'll never get it back to its original flat, folded state.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 25 2005 at 09:29
Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

or read a map!

may i second that??

I'll have to agree with that - can't fold maps either. I do the driving, the navigating and have to put up with back seat driving from someone who hasn't even passed her test - yet. When she does I'll enjoy sitting in the passenger seat for a change.


maps can be folded?


There's an unwritten rule that once a map's been unfolded, no matter how hard you try and follow the folds, you'll never get it back to its original flat, folded state.

No, thats just a myth!

A mythtake!



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Posted By: dojo
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 10:17
Well I'm a woman and I have a boy friend too :D

Perhaps prog is a genre that requires something more than rap .. so men who enjoy it have some qualities.To be honest I wouldn't like a man who does NOT like prog


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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 29 2005 at 20:54
Wanna hear a good joke? The 19th amendement.

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Posted By: Citanul
Date Posted: August 30 2005 at 03:31
Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Wanna hear a good joke? The 19th amendement.


For those of us not from the US - what is the 19th amendment?


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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: August 30 2005 at 03:41
Amendment XIX  http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendments.html#f11" name="t11 -

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

women's right to vote



Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 30 2005 at 04:20

I think I could count up to 20 women posting in the PA , which is way too few, and most of them are discreet. Threefates , Friede and Jean are the most visible members of feminine persuasion and they provide a welcome more feminine touch. There should a lot more of them , not just because we need them to cool the manners of young men, but also because I should think that there are no solid reasons for not liking this kind of music , if they tried a bit to get an interest.

Most of us progheads grieve at the fact that prog has too few women liking it and going to concerts. Most of us grieve at the fact that our partner does not like our music although we would love to share this passion with them - ie: the famous sentence: "Prog? That's the crap my husband listens to!". Actually , I am not faring too badly and most of my friends (who have women that fits them - meaning that they are well assorted as a couple) have spouses and girlfriends that also listen to it, although it is clear they would've never got to that music without the help of their man. I am inclined to think that should most of these couples break up , the woman would still lend an ear to prog, thus meaning that they did not listen to it just to please their man.

 

 

However , (I maybe generalizing here) for women , music is not seen with the same viewpoint. They consider music in a more festive manner. Music is for dancing, rejoicing and ultimately attract a mate. Of course , they listen to music, but are more inclined to buy what they hear on the radio.

An anecdote:

I once got mad my best female friend by saying that I thought that for a woman , my partner's vinyl collection was not too bad (my partner has in her collection some Floyd , one Yes , a few Queen , some Supertramp , early ELO , The Carpenters etc... but also some of crap  especially those cheap made for TV collections of hits from a given year etc...)! 

My friend thought that this was a terribly sexist comment from me! I spend almost half an hour explaining why I thought that the comment  was not sexist , maybe it was musical snobbery but not really sexism! She finally agreed to it , but I also explained that her extraordinary collection for a woman (she has over 3000 records , mostly rock , blues , prog , some fusion etc...) and that her musical tastes were one of the reason we were friends (and being an occasional lover another one) amongst the many other reasons!

 



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prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 30 2005 at 12:47

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by floydaholic floydaholic wrote:

Wanna hear a good joke? The 19th amendement.


For those of us not from the US - what is the 19th amendment?

Haha sorry, it is womens right to vote as the man after you so nicely put.



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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 30 2005 at 18:27

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Plenty, and there are many threads on the matter.

Oh, and we're not ALL lonely guys living in pizza-box mazes y'know.

Yeah!

And I have a girlfriend...errr....I used to.....



Posted By: bek_
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 01:09
Well I'm new to this forum, I am a female and love prog. I came across this site last year some time, but didn't feel the need to forum up, but a few days ago I realised, what the hell!?
so here I am, and it is cool

I play an online game, I am the ONLY girl who actively plays it in this country, lol.... so I am familiar with this situation of high testerone levels, but it's quite sad to see that most of you think women buy whatever is on the radio, I hate that generalisation especially if it is applied to me. WATCH OUT!.. though I suppose it is a rarity to see females interested in prog (I'm trying to get my friends into it) I'd have to say DT got me into prog, amazing stuff! That lead on to Liquid Tension Experiment... Fantomas.... (Im going to go see them in 2 weeks!!! Exciting!)
I love being different, I love not listening to the radio and other mainstream dribble, music is so much apart of me I couldn't see my self being with someone that doesn't like prog or metal for that matter. I'm really for 'common interest' relations! havn't found anyone yet though..

As for one of you who mentioned feminate nicknames, mine is short for rebecca... close enough.
Anyway, why should we have to have a feminiate aura about our nickname? Isn't it better not to see:
"sexy_bunny39832479"
"high_maintenance_girl_$$"
"lovely_lucy"
"crazychickonacid"
"2Hot4U_BABE"

arggghhh at cliches!



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Posted By: felona
Date Posted: September 03 2005 at 18:00
Originally posted by Kryodus Kryodus wrote:

That is very strange that no women are on this site, that really surprises me...

 

yes there are and:

  1. I can read a map and therefore....
  2. I can gladly give directions to help any guy out of their pizza-box maze
  3. I love most Prog (except doom metal/very jazzy-fusionesque stuff)


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Posted By: raychool
Date Posted: September 04 2005 at 05:55
i am a 21 year old girl from perth western australia and i am in love with
prog rock -most especiallly Yes!!!
i am yet to find anyone let alone a girl in this entire city that likes
prog?????

good to know there are at least a few girls in the whole world that do!


Posted By: bek_
Date Posted: September 05 2005 at 05:32
Originally posted by raychool raychool wrote:

i am a 21 year old girl from perth western australia and i am in love with
prog rock -most especiallly Yes!!!
i am yet to find anyone let alone a girl in this entire city that likes
prog?????

good to know there are at least a few girls in the whole world that do!


aww Perth, your so far away! come to Sydney


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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 01:31


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Posted By: bek_
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 02:18
Trouble.. that was an ummmm interesting game...

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Posted By: Ray Lomas
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 04:17
Sorry ladies, some men just seem to be real pigs.

Sometimes I feel ashamed to be male


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 06:30
"Männer sind Schweine,
frage nicht nach Sonnenschein!
Sie wollen alle nur das eine,
in jedem Mann steckt nun mal ein Schwein".
(translation:
"men are pigs,
don't ask for sunshine (a German expression meaning "and how!").
they all want just one thing,
in every man there is a pig".)
from a song by "Die Ärzte", a German fun-punk band


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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta


Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 06:44

Originally posted by Ray Lomas Ray Lomas wrote:

Sorry ladies, some men just seem to be real pigs.

Sometimes I feel ashamed to be male

Don't disparage your own gender, Ray - remember that for all our shortcomings, we make the lives of women better in many significant ways:

  • Removing spiders from the bathroom
  • Getting things down from high shelves
  • Unscrewing the lids of jam jars and sauce bottles

Let's face it, where would civilisation be without contributions like that?



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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: Ray Lomas
Date Posted: September 11 2005 at 07:03
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Ray Lomas Ray Lomas wrote:

Sorry ladies, some men just seem to be real pigs.

Sometimes I feel ashamed to be male

Don't disparage your own gender, Ray - remember that for all our shortcomings, we make the lives of women better in many significant ways:

  • Removing spiders from the bathroom
  • Getting things down from high shelves
  • Unscrewing the lids of jam jars and sauce bottles

Let's face it, where would civilisation be without contributions like that?



In fact my girlfriend has to take care of the spiders, at least if they have long legs. But I get rid of the bees. Now that is co-work or what.

She is a bit taller than me, too. But at least she leaves the unscrewing for me.


Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: October 02 2005 at 12:07

Originally posted by Ray Lomas Ray Lomas wrote:

Sorry ladies, some men just seem to be real pigs.

Sometimes I feel ashamed to be male

Awww, don't be! Men are wonderful for the most part. Some women just get too easily ticked off by rather harmless, disparaging comments on their gender that are in any case often made tongue-in-cheek. Women do the same in regards to men, after all, and that seems to be fine. More serious sexism -the kind that is sanctioned  by the society at large- should not be encouraged, of course, but I have found very little signs of that on Progarchives.

I'm rather laid-back when it comes to gender-issues (as interesting and fascinating as I do find them) and the reason for this is that I don't really think of myself from a gender point of view, not consciously at least... Perhaps I ought to get more in touch with my feminine side?  

 

  



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Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: October 03 2005 at 10:09
In generally speaking, I do not think Prog is any exception.

For example, besides Prog, I hear other things (heavy stuff of Rock & Metal). Lately I've been interested in what lots of the girls whom I go to parties with currently listening to, so I spoke with lots of them and all of them said like the easy stuff.
So perhaps finding a girl who enjoys Prog is rarer than finding girls who like Heavy\Trash\Doom\Death\Death (genres like that) but I still do not think it should be considered as an exeption... There are some things of which we men only like and females won't and it's not prog only.

Besides, you're complaining about girls, but you do not know how hard it is for a high-school student (such as me) to find others who actually KNOW of the existence of the Prog genre.
I talk to lots of people of my age and they're mostly hearing stuff like System of a Down. What is actually funny is when a friend of mine gave me to hear some System's songs on his MP3 and he told his other friend to wants me to be exposed to some good music, when the first time I heard System was couple of years before the 'music understanding guys group' in my school has even heard about them, not to mention that their understanding about music is rather lacking.

soo.. I do not care much about it. even when I put on some metal my female friends do not think of it as much as I do..
Just let it go and let them hear those awfully bands.. bah.. Greenday :/



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