Is there such a thing as an ugly building?
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Topic: Is there such a thing as an ugly building?
Posted By: condor
Subject: Is there such a thing as an ugly building?
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:46
| Or is it really in the eye of the beholder? |
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:53
| Either there is or there isn't. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:14
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Who gives a fu*k. ------------- What? |
Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:18
I do.
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Dean wrote:Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:22
Then give us some sodding examples. Join in the bloody discussions. Re-visit some of your existing threads instead of dumping new ones all the time like an ruddy fly-tipper.
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Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:28
| Are there any tower blocks you find beautiful? |
Posted By: freudistheman
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:32
hahahh ... I'm loving this forum site man! Thanks condor! 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:35
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The only thing you can't find an ugly example of is puppies and kittens. /thread ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:46
------------- What? |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 13:55
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Is there such a thing as an objectively [subjective qualifier] [subject]? You tell me.
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Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 14:00
| Because I have an argument running on a different forum that will allow me to prove a bigger point. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 14:05
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Is there such a thing as another bloody pointless thread? YES! ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 14:08
You have a running argument? They must be very blessed on that forum. However, now I know why you open these threads to ask facile questions I think I'll decline in answering. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 14:09
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We are guinea pigs for this forum "scientist". Not good. -------------
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Posted By: condor
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 14:13
| That was a joke. I asked because I'm curious. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 14:33
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No. You asked because you don't have anything better to do. To answer your question all you have to do is use google. -------------
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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 15:46
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I mean I want to vote yes but I do believe it's in the eye of the beholder. There are subjectively ugly buildings for sure. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 16:43
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"Every morning, GREGGERY drives his little red Volkswagen to the ugly part of town where they keep the Government Buildings." ~ FZ The answer is yes. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 16:50
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Yes ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 18:21
| There sure are. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:29
hahaha
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 10 2015 at 20:32
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My response was no because to me, I do not need to look at a building objectively, ugly is ugly to me (my view). I am not a journalist etc. thus my opinion does not need to be unbiased or work related biased. I must say tho', I never really thought about this before
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 05:45
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We have the walkie-talkie in London, not far from where I work. Not only is it fairly ugly but it melts cars and acts as a wind tunnel as well. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34116610" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34116610 In the background you can see the Gherkin, which I think is quite the opposite. And I've just noticed the addition of the word "objectively" to the question, to which the answer is "no", it's subjective, some people probably like the walkie-talkie (until it melts their Jag).  |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 06:30
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Some people like something just because it's different. Some people would appreciate a building shaped like a turd, I'm sure, because it's unique. I don't like the gherkin either tbh, but my tastes are quite tradiational I guess. Some designs are less to do with complimenting the landscape or making a statement and more about the designers ego. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 06:51
Well that kind of proves the point that it's subjective. I think it's quite beautiful up close, and it's different to the usual oblong blocks without being too weird. |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 07:27
| I really like the gherkin. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 08:01
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 08:04
yeah ok that's fugly.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 09:36
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I remember when this website was interesting. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 10:00
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 10:39
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 10:43
There is also such thing as if you have nothing to contribute but critique, the smart thing is to keep your mouth shut
 and move on. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 10:45
| I dislike people who have nothing to contribute to others, except negativity. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 10:47
Okay, who are you and what have you done with Sonia?  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 10:49
hahahaha!!! you pest
Dean hahahaha.... also yeah I can't keep my own mouth shut either  but that is not in question here right now. |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 10:49
| ^ I was wondering the same....no hugs? |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 11:01
hahahaha emigre80, you are supposed to be my partner in crime lol how dare you!Awww ok hugs
 only coz you are awesome |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 11:33
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oh, lots of hugs back!
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 11:37
hahahaha ...
awww.. lots of hugs back and front  |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 11:46
I love it when old...erm let's just say dull buildings get spiced up with proper graffiti or with trees, shrubberies and colours like Hundertwasser did:   ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 12:05
| ^ those are indeed brilliant! |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 12:29
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Further building ugliness: Google Frank Gehry. What in the hell was that man thinking? ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 12:39
Heh....eating, watching, and listening are important activities worth commenting on........ ugly buildings..? ...not so much. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 12:41
I've never been accused of being smart, but I was just making a joke. Stop trying to censor me. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 13:33
    Some architects should just be shot. |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 13:36
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this one - in Lexington, KY - just makes me want to cry. and people actually get up petitions to save it: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/07/18/3950468_peoples-bank-building-opens-to.html?rh=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.kentucky.com/2015/07/18/3950468_peoples-bank-building-opens-to.html?rh=1 |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 13:42
The second one makes me a bit sick, but the others are awesome. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 13:43
Yeah, the second one looks like a building mummy wrapped in white bandages. the others are cool.
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 14:27
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Triceratopsoil's top photo is the Disney Concert Hall designed by Frank Gehry. Interestingly, after all the stainless steel panels were installed there was a problem with the sun reflecting into the surrounding office buildings. Hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent sanding the shiny surface of the panels. I was estimating for a Sheet Metal company that specialized in metal roof and metal wall panels and I was asked to submit a bid. My boss took one look at the plans and wanted no part of it.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 14:33
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Architect Frank Gehry got sued for that 4th one, numerous design flaws (besides just sheer ugliness) |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 14:39
This is the Aerospace Museum at Exposition Park in Los Angeles. It is also a Frank Gehry design and was built in the mid eighties when I still worked in the field. It took our crew (12 guys) five months to install all the metal panels on the project. The space shuttle that was recently brought to L.A. is on the other side of the building
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 14:41
I'm sure he was held responsible for the Disney Concert Hall as well since that would also be a design flaw.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 14:43
We've got one of his eyesores here, too Honestly, everything he's ever designed is nauseating |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 15:01
| ^ ugh, that one's hideous. |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 15:13
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^^ For a contractor jobs like this are a nightmare. As an estimator it is impossible to cover yourself as far as man hours both in the shop and the field. The best thing to do is work up and inflated cost and then tack on thirty or forty per cent to make sure. If you're unlucky enough to win the bid, at least you may be covered.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 15:22
Good thing nobody has started a "What is my bowel movement like right now" thread...  -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 15:23
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 15:45
I just ask myself... would I live or work there. If no.. then yeah.. shoot the architect haha ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 16:27
I never attempt to censor anyone or anything. It was an advise. Also I am sorry, I didn't get your humour.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 16:30
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Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 16:32
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 16:51
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Ugly buildings? Look at photos of the cement bunkers that passed for apartments in Cold-War East Germany. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 16:55
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Yep, basically some areas of the former Warsaw Pact countries could fill this thread in a second. -------------
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 16:59
I don't know if you've ever noticed, but even color photographs of those areas during that era are mostly somber shades of gray. Color must have been an idea of decadent western culture. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 17:01
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Absolutely true -------------
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 17:47
Don't give Condor any ideas |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 17:50
He will frame it slightly different: Do bowel movements offer clarity when considering the nihilism of Sartre? ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:50
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^ He should do a thread about reasons for getting drunk. Nothing left to his imagination. And I'm saying all this because I had some of Captain Morgan's Long Island Iced Tea.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:55
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^ What on earth is that supposed to mean? Buildings don't look like people. On the other hand, now that you mention it, the http://img.spunkyworld.com/eimg/dasbauenim/dasbauenimq.jpg" rel="nofollow - Bauhaus architecture from that period was probably modern architecture's last hurrah... if you took down at the eagles and swastikas, anyway. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:56
| ^ Just imagine a giant head made of wood ... or cement ... or both. Whatever professional contractors and construction workers use. Makes sense? |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 19:40
Like this?  ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 19:44
| ^ ... Sure? Whatever you consider ugly. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:19
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:23
hah... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: November 11 2015 at 21:10
Not just confined to East Germany. My husband and I used to joke that the motto of the Dutch Architects Association should be that line from Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead: "Life in a box is better than no life at all."
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 12 2015 at 04:57
That is the product of a warped mind. How the **** do you get to the top apartment, unless it has a lift that can go 90 degrees? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 12 2015 at 08:37
Ha yeah I know I was referencing what condor said in another thread. You can just safely ignore me. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 12 2015 at 12:29
15 different staircases |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: November 12 2015 at 12:50
Wormholes. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 13 2015 at 08:44
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: November 21 2015 at 06:42
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"Is there such a thing as an ugly building?" Isn't it better to ask "Can anything be ugly?", not just buildings. "Of low esthetic value" would also be a better way to put it than "ugly" because ugly is not a very precise value. So the question asks if there are any objectively "ugly" buildings. I would say yes , but that's in relation to its context and to its purpose, where it is placed in relation to other buidlings and surrounding environment, whether people are supposed to live in it , if it is an object of art, or something else. And how the technology and esthetics of the building relates to the current stage in human evolution of art and technology. Its context may change over time. But you can wonder if all objects have an esthetic value (low or high) even when they are not finished. Is a half-finished building ugly or pretty, or is it free from esthetic attribute until it's completed. Also, a building can be dirty , or may be partly destroyed, or modified. I think you can evaluate a half finished building, but based on an interpretation. But it's the same with finished buildings, their value is based on an interpretation. Okay, now I need to explain that..but I don't have time. But what are condors views on this? You're the one who asked the question. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 02 2015 at 07:08
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Without "objectively" yes, with "objectively" no. |