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Topic: Maynard James Keenan gets annoyed with his fans
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Subject: Maynard James Keenan gets annoyed with his fans
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 11:14
http://radio.com/2015/10/28/maynard-james-keenan-calls-tool-fans-insufferable-people/" rel="nofollow - Surprised there hasn't been started a thread about this interview here yet . Specifically, he's frustrated about people who keep badgering him to make a new Tool album and don't care about his other music projects which he vastly prefers himself.

You know, maybe I'm just lucky but I haven't yet met anywhere as many of those annoying Tool fanboys people often complain about. I guess it was worse in the 1990s/2000s when the band was at the height of their popularity, but all the fans of that group I've met came across as completely normal people.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 11:20
Well, Tool do seem to be a bit full of themselves. I read where they gave a performance in a small venue and that no one in this audience was allowed to enter with cellphones or cameras, as the band was 'tired of being distracted' by them.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 11:46
You forgot to mention when he called the fanboys retards and insufferable. 

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 11:48
^Oh yeah, that too.

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Posted By: Lowend
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 11:50
Maybe if his other projects were as good as Tool people might prefer them as he does. His fans may annoy him but I'm sure their $$$$$ doesn't. He strikes me as being quite egotistical and conceited. Obviously, I'm no fanboy but I do have Lateralus and 10,000 days in my collection. I've seen them live at what is now the Santander arena in Reading, Pa. and they were good. I have since sold off the rest of my Tool collection along with other items in order to help finance acquiring a mobile fidelity recording of "Close to the Edge".

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Posted By: Lowend
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 11:51
I guess the fanboys are like women who prefer men that abuse them. LOL!

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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 11:54
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

You forgot to mention when he called the fanboys retards and insufferable. 

Fanboys are insufferable, it's simply a fact.

Anyways, I love Tool, they are one of my favorite bands, but I completely understand how the band could get annoyed. Sure, I want a new Tool album, but Maynard's other projects are also really enjoyable for me. After all, whining will get you nowhere, if anything fans whining will just prolong the album.

Also, being a fan is completely different from being a fanboy.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:05
Fanboys are over enthusiastic fans. Does that make them retards and insufferable? This is not Beatle mania that we are talking about.

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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:11
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Fanboys are over enthusiastic fans. Does that make them retards and insufferable? This is not Beatle mania that we are talking about.

It makes them insufferable, I've had many fanboys insult me for having different tastes and especially prog fanboys say how less complex music sucks. I think the definition of insufferable sums up fanboys pretty well. Out of the music world, Nintendo fanboys are probably the worst of the lot, insulting anything that isn't made by Nintendo.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:17
Well, I have no idea what your claim to fame is, but it seems like you deserve your fanboys.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:17
IIRC he just doesn't like the seriousness attached to the band. 

He wants listeners to just enjoy themselves and listen to the band's music. He believes the humor that is in the band is completely ignored and gets drowned out by the darkness, dreary, seriousness by the fans and it has annoyed him over time. 




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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:21
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, I have no idea what your claim to fame is, but it seems like you deserve your fanboys.

Did I say something to piss you off? I was only stating my experience with fanboys. If you can give me examples of nice fanboys, I'll be glad to change my opinion.


Posted By: Lowend
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 12:39
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, I have no idea what your claim to fame is, but it seems like you deserve your fanboys.

Did I say something to piss you off? I was only stating my experience with fanboys. If you can give me examples of nice fanboys, I'll be glad to change my opinion.
You are entirely entitled to your opinion. Isn't that what this forum is all about? I enjoyed your post .It was nice to meet a fan as opposed to a fanboy. I'm a fan but not quite as big of one as you. I find Tool's appeal in their rhythmic instrumentation as opposed to MJK's sardonic wit.


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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 13:01
I don't run into anywhere as many Tool fanboys/fangirls as I used to, so I'm sometimes mystified by people complaining about them. I still think it was probably more of a thing in the 1990s and 2000s.

Same thing with belligerent fans of Dream Theater and Radiohead.


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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 13:05
Originally posted by Lowend Lowend wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, I have no idea what your claim to fame is, but it seems like you deserve your fanboys.

Did I say something to piss you off? I was only stating my experience with fanboys. If you can give me examples of nice fanboys, I'll be glad to change my opinion.
You are entirely entitled to your opinion. Isn't that what this forum is all about? I enjoyed your post .It was nice to meet a fan as opposed to a fanboy. I'm a fan but not quite as big of one as you. I find Tool's appeal in their rhythmic instrumentation as opposed to MJK's sardonic wit.

Yup, everyone has their own opinion. Thanks, I really enjoy their rhythmic instrumentation as well, I love the bouncing ball effect made by the drums in 'Disposition'. Smile


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 13:16
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:



Same thing with belligerent fans of Dream Theater and Radiohead.

You should be banned for putting Radiohead in the same sentence with that abomination. 


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Posted By: The Sloth
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 13:22
People love Maynard and Tool for their "pretentiousness" until it finally bites them. He's been a charismatic jerk since day one. That said, his side projects aren't too good, and Tool have thrown away the past decade for reasons which have never been totally clear. Want people to stop asking about Tool? Then stop leading everyone on, telling people that this amount of a new album is finished - the "epic" is done...album should be out by January...how about a tour with no new material? How about five more over the next 7 years...we're writing like crazy...we're having legal problems. You guys are insufferable! Leave us alone! It's easy. Break up, shut up, or be a band again.


Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 13:23
The only fanboy I've met that sort of meets the criteria I've heard about regarding Tool's more obsessive fans is my sister. Back in the early 2000's I went to visit her after not seeing her for a few years, and she picked me up in her car and proceeded to blast Lateralus while explaining to me all this stuff about Keenan's interest in spirals and crap about about spiral religions and other mumbo-jumbo. Most of it I could hardly hear anyways since she was cranking the CD so loud. I liked the band too, but she almost ruined them for me for good that night. She had seen them well over ten times in concert, and A Perfect Circle in the double digits too. 

Funny enough I had only seen Tool once, in early 1994 at a club in Boston, and my sister was brutally jealous about that once she became a rabid fan of them a few years later. 

She never mentions MJK's other projects these days and her interest in Tool has certainly waned with the years going by with nothing new on the horizon. 


Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 13:55
FWIW the prog rock groups with the most aggressive fans are in my experience Gentle Giant and Henry Cow, but in those cases it's coming from both groups being seen as never having reached the kind of audience they deserved. Also, that in Henry Cow's case there's the entire ideological aspect of the "Rock In Opposition" movement.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 14:18
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, I have no idea what your claim to fame is, but it seems like you deserve your fanboys.

Did I say something to piss you off? I was only stating my experience with fanboys. If you can give me examples of nice fanboys, I'll be glad to change my opinion.
No,  you didn't piss me off. I was merely saying that I didn't know what was the cause of your fans, fanboys and any other admirers, but that you probably deserve them. Smile

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 14:25
If your name was Maynard you'd be annoyed too.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 14:29
Well, he could have been named Garth Brooks.

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 14:37
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:



Same thing with belligerent fans of Dream Theater and Radiohead.

You should be banned for putting Radiohead in the same sentence with that abomination. 
 
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 15:00
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, I have no idea what your claim to fame is, but it seems like you deserve your fanboys.

Did I say something to piss you off? I was only stating my experience with fanboys. If you can give me examples of nice fanboys, I'll be glad to change my opinion.
No,  you didn't piss me off. I was merely saying that I didn't know what was the cause of your fans, fanboys and any other admirers, but that you probably deserve them. Smile

I just realized, I made it sound like I was saying I HAD fanboys. LOL I meant fanboys of other things, I don't have fans as far as I know. Tongue


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 15:10
Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Pastmaster Pastmaster wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Well, I have no idea what your claim to fame is, but it seems like you deserve your fanboys.

Did I say something to piss you off? I was only stating my experience with fanboys. If you can give me examples of nice fanboys, I'll be glad to change my opinion.
No,  you didn't piss me off. I was merely saying that I didn't know what was the cause of your fans, fanboys and any other admirers, but that you probably deserve them. Smile

I just realized, I made it sound like I was saying I HAD fanboys. LOL I meant fanboys of other things, I don't have fans as far as I know. Tongue
Oh, what a bummer. I thought you were a rock star! LOL My bad.

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Posted By: Gully Foyle
Date Posted: October 30 2015 at 20:08
Originally posted by Lowend Lowend wrote:

Maybe if his other projects were as good as Tool people might prefer them as he does. His fans may annoy him but I'm sure their $$$$$ doesn't. He strikes me as being quite egotistical and conceited. Obviously, I'm no fanboy but I do have Lateralus and 10,000 days in my collection. I've seen them live at what is now the Santander arena in Reading, Pa. and they were good. I have since sold off the rest of my Tool collection along with other items in order to help finance acquiring a mobile fidelity recording of "Close to the Edge".


What is this 'mobile fidelity recording' of CTTE you speak of?


Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 31 2015 at 05:24
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

If your name was Maynard you'd be annoyed too.


I always get him and http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/keynes_john_maynard.shtml" rel="nofollow - John Maynard Keynes confused with each other.


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Posted By: tbonson04
Date Posted: November 01 2015 at 19:19
Fanboys/girls seem like an unnecessary evil that crosses lines in entertainment media everywhere. It's better to ignore them, and let them make asses of themselves. I'm a big Tool fan, but not enough to devote endless time to studying meaningless facts about them. As long as you derive a form of pleasure from the music, you're as big a fan as anyone else.


Posted By: backtothegarden
Date Posted: November 02 2015 at 10:04
I think once you've started "defending the party platform", if you will, fandom has gone overboard.  What I mean is that their defense of the idol in question, whether it be a band, company, or even political issue, is unconditional.  That band/company/party could do no wrong in their eyes, which simply defies common logic.

Example: Helmet is one of my all time favorite bands.  I've been listening to them for over 20 years, my guitar work is heavily influenced by them, and a few of their albums are in my all time top 25.  But they are far from infallible.  Their early material from the late 80s/early 90s (pre-Meantime) is very noisy and chaotic, which doesn't suit me, and their last album, Seeing Eye Dog (which I had to look up because I forgot its name), was not good.  As much as Page Hamilton is one of my musical heroes, I'm far from a place where he could make an album of him farting into a microphone, and me calling it genius.  

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, but once I notice fanboy tendencies in people, I tend to disregard what they have to say.


Posted By: *frinspar*
Date Posted: November 02 2015 at 13:19
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

If your name was Maynard you'd be annoyed too.


I always get him and http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/keynes_john_maynard.shtml" rel="nofollow - John Maynard Keynes confused with each other.


I prefer Keegan-Michael Key. Wink


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 02:52
Will peeps please stop mentioning fan girls/boys! When it concerns David Bowie well ok I probably will lick his boots Big smile
Anyway, somehow you guys/girls make it seem as if it's a bad thing to be a fan (a hardcore fan even, if you will), I resent that and don't like it, don't know why exactly but why would anyone say such things anyway? Bands need fans and they in turn spread the word, some fans start to appreciate other bands too, it's an endless great cycle thus why would any of you say fanboy or fangirl in a degrading manner? What is wrong with that? What is wrong with you peeps?   


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 02:59
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

If your name was Maynard you'd be annoyed too.
 
hahahaha!!! Atavachron, you stop it hahahaha!!! LOL


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 03:01
my stomach hurts now ...


Posted By: trili
Date Posted: November 04 2015 at 05:58
I think Maynard tries too hard and cares a lot about his "I don't care" persona.


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Posted By: backtothegarden
Date Posted: November 06 2015 at 13:09
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Will peeps please stop mentioning fan girls/boys! When it concerns David Bowie well ok I probably will lick his boots Big smile
Anyway, somehow you guys/girls make it seem as if it's a bad thing to be a fan (a hardcore fan even, if you will), I resent that and don't like it, don't know why exactly but why would anyone say such things anyway? Bands need fans and they in turn spread the word, some fans start to appreciate other bands too, it's an endless great cycle thus why would any of you say fanboy or fangirl in a degrading manner? What is wrong with that? What is wrong with you peeps?   

At least here in the US, "fanboy" has a negative connotation, and is typically defined as someone who feels like whoever he/she is a fan of can do no wrong.  

People can support whatever they want, of course.  I think we all understand how supporting bands helps them.  However, when that support turns into vitriol towards anyone who feels differently than they do, that's fanboy-ism, if you will.

There are fans, and there are "fanboys".  I don't think anyone here is saying it's a problem to support bands, or even be a "hardcore fan".  


Posted By: tbonson04
Date Posted: November 06 2015 at 14:10
Originally posted by backtothegarden backtothegarden wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Will peeps please stop mentioning fan girls/boys! When it concerns David Bowie well ok I probably will lick his boots Big smile
Anyway, somehow you guys/girls make it seem as if it's a bad thing to be a fan (a hardcore fan even, if you will), I resent that and don't like it, don't know why exactly but why would anyone say such things anyway? Bands need fans and they in turn spread the word, some fans start to appreciate other bands too, it's an endless great cycle thus why would any of you say fanboy or fangirl in a degrading manner? What is wrong with that? What is wrong with you peeps?   

At least here in the US, "fanboy" has a negative connotation, and is typically defined as someone who feels like whoever he/she is a fan of can do no wrong.  

People can support whatever they want, of course.  I think we all understand how supporting bands helps them.  However, when that support turns into vitriol towards anyone who feels differently than they do, that's fanboy-ism, if you will.

There are fans, and there are "fanboys".  I don't think anyone here is saying it's a problem to support bands, or even be a "hardcore fan".  

Well put. Also, fanboys/girls are the type to believe they are superior to other fans because they know a lot about a particular group. There's nothing wrong with knowing a lot about a group, but when you believe that knowledge holds you in a higher standing, that's just being a pretentious t**t.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 06 2015 at 14:39
Originally posted by tbonson04 tbonson04 wrote:

Originally posted by backtothegarden backtothegarden wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Will peeps please stop mentioning fan girls/boys! When it concerns David Bowie well ok I probably will lick his boots Big smile
Anyway, somehow you guys/girls make it seem as if it's a bad thing to be a fan (a hardcore fan even, if you will), I resent that and don't like it, don't know why exactly but why would anyone say such things anyway? Bands need fans and they in turn spread the word, some fans start to appreciate other bands too, it's an endless great cycle thus why would any of you say fanboy or fangirl in a degrading manner? What is wrong with that? What is wrong with you peeps?   

At least here in the US, "fanboy" has a negative connotation, and is typically defined as someone who feels like whoever he/she is a fan of can do no wrong.  

People can support whatever they want, of course.  I think we all understand how supporting bands helps them.  However, when that support turns into vitriol towards anyone who feels differently than they do, that's fanboy-ism, if you will.

There are fans, and there are "fanboys".  I don't think anyone here is saying it's a problem to support bands, or even be a "hardcore fan".  

Well put. Also, fanboys/girls are the type to believe they are superior to other fans because they know a lot about a particular group. There's nothing wrong with knowing a lot about a group, but when you believe that knowledge holds you in a higher standing, that's just being a pretentious t**t.
 
Aha! Ok, now I understand thus it's another name to describe fanatic fans, gotcha Wink That name is too sweet to describe that kind of fan. Pinch


Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 06 2015 at 19:05
There's another type of fan as well. The anti-fan. After a yes gig I was on board a tube (underground in London) seated across from three fellow concert attendees. One mentioned that had Yes played Starship Trouper (there were a lot of hits during this Magnification era concert) he would have walked out he would have been so annoyed.

? Really?

Had they done so I would have been quite pleased. Too put it mildly.

But this was a fan who... I think... wanted a "not trading on past glories..." Actually I'm not sure. But it's a bit like he was some sort of authority and Yes had to play his set for his approval. Or they were sell outs... etc.

Btw, great gig. Wakeman and Howe trading licks (so to speak). Great.  <- "a technical "fanboy" type term used in complete and utter objectivity.

Now firmly back on topic...

As for Tool - well don't tell 'em but (while I still have 10 K Years) I went and bought the first 2 albums yonks ago. When playing them I felt the blood drain from my face at what I thought was the awfulness of the content and immediately exchanged them for a couple of Camel albums I needed on CD. A much better way of getting my lead guitar fix. I've only ever done that once before - can't remaber thae band. German, their 3rd album. Have to consult my Jerry Lucky Boys Book of Prog Fanboydom.



Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 06 2015 at 23:26
It sounds like he's a bit of a 'tool'.
 
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Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: November 07 2015 at 01:10
Originally posted by Lowend Lowend wrote:

Maybe if his other projects were as good as Tool people might prefer them as he does...

Clap

Although APC is OK, it is not something I would listen with the seriousness I listen to Tool.


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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 10:04
Who the frank is Maynard J. Fergosun? 

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