Is Camel a metal band?
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Topic: Is Camel a metal band?
Posted By: twalsh
Subject: Is Camel a metal band?
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 11:34
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I went to the local metal music shop here in Vancouver and saw much of what one would expect; everything from old school Iron maiden, Black Sabbath, Burzum, Cinderella and pretty much all metal subgenres including a lot of prog metal. I picked up TesseracT's Altered State, Pain of Salvation's Linoleum, and Riverside's Rapid Eye Movement. The store manager was playing something from Kamelot, I'm not sure which recording, that sounded pretty good as well. The strange part of this store was the presence of nonmetal prog, some hidden, some not. The Jethro Tull Box set placed in a high visibility spot and bands such as Marillion, Transatlantic and Camel mixed in with the metal, nevermind the advertisement for the Magma show last month. I'm not complaining, as there are few independent music stores that sell CDs I like, but kind of odd! ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 11:37
Years ago, at the Virgin Megastore in Paris, I found both Transatlantic and Spock's Beard in the Metal section, so I wouldn't be too surprised if also Camel found their way there ... |
Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 11:41
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Ha ha. So I'm not alone. I forgot that I also saw Spock's Beard in there. This is an independent store though, so I can only assume the inclusion was intentional rather than ignorance, which I can see more likely in a megastore. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 11:44
It hasn't changed. I still find my prog in Paris in Death Metal boxes. 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 11:47
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If it's not jazz, classical, or pop hits, it's metal. Too many categories can be oh so confusing. |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 12:01
We have a local chain down here in Australia called JB Hifi, and although their prog pickings are few and far between, TWICE I've come across Renaissance under heavy metal!  Mind you, I've also found Magenta, Kaipa and Mostly Autumn there as well!  The `Metal' section is really just a dumping ground for prog artists that don't include the big bands like Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson, etc, which are always under `Popular' One good thing that comes from this - generally all these prog albums sit untouched for months in the metal section, Joe Average has no idea what the albums are, so eventually they're marked down to a fraction of their original price, and I'm more than happy to snap them up, either for my own collection, or to pass on as gifts to friends. 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 12:14
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If Jethro Tull can win the Grammy for best heavy metal album, then anything is possible. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 12:26
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Some people think any distorted guitars make it metal. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 12:49
| I've seen Pink Floyd at the metal store near me, but other then that the rest is all hard rock or obviously metal. Some would argue that King Crimson shouldn't be in there, because I've seen that, but King Crimson certainly had their heavier albums that lean towards hard rock. |
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 13:10
My record store has a pretty large prog/krautrock section. Curiously they put Yes, ELP, pink floyd, Mike oldfield and a few other big name bands in the 'classic rock' section, but Genesis and Camel still get to sit in the prog section.  I'm not sure if there is a method to the madness------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ramza1316" rel="nofollow - www.last.fm/user/ramza1316 https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845 |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 13:23
| ^I think the reasoning for that is you will hear bands like Yes and Pink Floyd on classic rock radio stations. A band can be classic rock and progressive rock at the same time. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 13:35
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A camel has hair...so would be categorized as Hair Metal...... -------------   
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 13:45
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But Camel is also a cigarette brand, so it also qualifies as death metal ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 14:03
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Now envisioning a fire-breathing metal snow goose! ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 14:29
In fairness to Tull, the actual Grammy category was Hard Rock/Heavy Metal, and the look on the faces of Metallica when they lost was well worth the win for whatever category it was. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Progosopher wrote:Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 14:46
1000% agreement ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 14:56
This, times ten. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 14:58
The subject line sounded insane to me, but you have now put this into perfect context. Thank you
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:01
I don't agree, while it may have been hard rock/heavy metal and I like both Tull and Metallica, I still think Metallica should have won.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:17
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if only they had been..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:20
Hey, all opinions are accepted here. Even the ones that are wrong. In any case, the sad thing is that Tull won a Grammy for what could be considered as their 11th or 12th best album. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:21
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 15:47
Also, if Metallica did win at least it was before Lars went money hungry.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 18:51
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I hear a lot of Iron Maiden in a lot of early Camel albums. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 21:55
The bad thing is that if this albums don't sell because they are in the wrong section, it will be less likely that the store managers will pay attention to keep on getting such bands... or more likely, if they are already put on discount, then they should be paying attention so they won't stock them again. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 23:12
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My local independent store has has Anekdoten and Circulus in the metal section. Camel is probably stranger though. My favorite unusual categorization though is Merzbow in the rock/pop section. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: May 04 2015 at 23:55
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My local store puts a lot of prog in the metal section. I've found Pendragon, Pallas, Beardfish, Collage, others. Of course the more mainstream metal bands are in the pop/rock section, so..... I'm just grateful they have prog there; I don't much care what section! ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: ToasterPhone
Date Posted: May 05 2015 at 00:50
Other way around, perhaps?
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 05 2015 at 01:00
| Progressive Metal (and especially Symphonic Metal) and Symphonic Rock are on many things the nearest sub-genres of Prog, so it is not surprising that the shelves of the stores are mixed with Prog / Symph Metal and Symphonic Rock albums. I've seen that "phenomenon" even here in Belgrade at a local record store called "Pinball Wizard". |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 05 2015 at 01:02
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In the store in front of my home, artists are just in alphabetical order. The only separate sections are for Classical and Jazz. But the owner was bassist in a Genesis cover band. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: May 05 2015 at 06:16
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I can understand the mistake if the albums in question were obtained via InsideOut, or one of the other distributors out there whose bread and butter is metal but who have a fine sideline in prog, but it's daft otherwise. (Particularly if the packaging has "FILE UNDER PROGRESSIVE ROCK" on it and they shove it in metal anyway, as I've seen from time to time). Then again, if there's a decent crossover between metal fans and prog fans, it may be that the prog albums actually sell better in the metal section than in the general rock section. There might actually be method to the madness!
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: May 05 2015 at 07:24
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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: May 05 2015 at 07:39
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I love Camel's version of "War Pigs" and can't get enough of Latimer's cookie monster vocals. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 03:28
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The "Cookie monster vocals" joke is a bit old now, don't you think? Anyway, I can't add a lot to all that had been said: in the French record store Gibert Joseph in Paris, the metal section is close to the progressive section. Furthermore, in France, progressive rock is still covered either by small magazines which are on the verge of being called "prozines", or covered by metal magazines. So, while the example given by the original poster is a bit farfetched (I would have supposed that the store owners would have put Camel in the pop/rock section just by looking at the years of release of each album), I'm not that surprised. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 11:16
I believe the first two Spock's Beard albums were originally on the Metal Blade label, so that probably lumped them into the metal category. I also wonder if sometimes album cover art (dragons = metal  ) leads to wrong categorization. (Alternate US cover shown:) |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 12:06
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^That alternate cover looks awesome, I'm probably alone in thinking that though
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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 18:23
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I should probably clarify. This store is an independent Metal record store, as in not a mix of genres. All metal throughout the store with a few surprising exceptions that were not even pop metal or hard rock,. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 19:50
Yes. camel can be a metal band: ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:01
No,   Big hug
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Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:12
| CAMEL? METAL? What's next? Magma is pop? |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:18
Good point, A_Flower, The Beatles track "Helter Skelter" was arguably one of the first metal tracks ever made however they were certainly not a metal band. Big hug to you,
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: May 07 2015 at 23:24
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 07:33
No, no, read carefully what the OP wrote: he said he found a Camel record in a local record store specialized in metal music. By the way, I would be glad if people stop saying "Helter Skelter" is the first metal track. Each time I read that, I have the vision of people sh*tting on Jimi Hendrix's grave.  |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 10:57
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Jokingly, yes - the track 'Ice' (off I Can See Your House From Here') is pure Thrash, bordering on Black Metal, never heard anything as break-neck as that Seriously, in some cases, bands like Spock's Beard, Marillion and The Flower Kings, get lumped in the 'Metal' section of many music shops - I've seen it - I can't explain why this is. |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 14:17
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 14:21
Merci is a Magma pop album. Luckily Phil Collins did retire, otherwise Nu Metal could have been an option ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 14:32
------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 14:36
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I think I will talk to the owner next time I see him. I think he's a closet prog fan whose tastes extend beyond metal and has some reflections of this in his inventory. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 15:25
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Camel - Metal???? -- LOL ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 15:28
 ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 15:30
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3491 :P ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 15:34
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I regret not having bought that Jacula album decades ago. The reason was that Jacula was a quite famous porn-comics character in the 70s (a female vampire) and I actually tought that taking a bus with that album in my hands could have been embarassing... ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: A_Flower
Date Posted: May 08 2015 at 17:19
Yes I read what he wrote. I just don't know why the metal shop would have camel |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 15:45
Awww you sweet grumpy one! Hendrix and Beatles were '67 and '68, Helter Skelter was released in '68 and the Beatles made it popular by getting it radio plays. Big hug to you, CPicard  |
Posted By: surrogate people
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 18:56
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Actually many prog rock covers look like hard rock or heavy metal ones.The first time I saw Asia's debut I Thought it was a metal band. Roger Dean has done artwork for Uriah Heep,and Mark Wilkinson did for Judas Priest as well as for Marillion and Fish. Camel covers, on the other hand don't look very metal like to me ------------- Surrogate People they walk on by, they walk on by When they replace you They live your life, they live your life |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 19:49
 
Oh yes Surrogate Roger Dean, made some of the most and iconic album covers, among my favorites are Demons and Wizards plus Magicians Birthday, also the album cover for Budgie is brilliant!   Big hug to you
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 20:20
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Im not familiar with this 'Record Store' you speak of, maybe some relic of a bygone civilization? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 20:21
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Here's one for you, Sonia: HEADBANGING DELUXE!!!!! ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 20:47
The Dark Elf! Wow!
 I love you too much, now, thank you! I love this track! The instrumentals at the start already set the feeling, just brilliant! Aww thank you so much! It's spooky really because I wanted to dedicate a song from Uriah Heep to you too on what are you listening to right now, scrolled up a few pages but not found your name to tag you and post the song a massive big hug to youagain thank you so much xxxxx |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 20:56
Hey, but who needs drums? If you haven't heard these two, do so. Fabulous. I saw them one night on Public TV, and went out and bought 3 CDs the next day. P.S. And just to stay on topic, no, Camel is not a metal band.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 21:23
ha! Let me have a listen right now. Tks
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 21:30
Oh wow those two are really good! They did not blow me away tho' especially compared to this: Mediterranean Sundance - Al Di Meola https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhccIfevjCU&list=PLJxUsAP-PduWnzvWnM_2zy2aCz6rERSj1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhccIfevjCU&list=PLJxUsAP-PduWnzvWnM_2zy2aCz6rERSj1 Al Di Meola - Libertango https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2JdBwaLYH0&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwOUCHR2oiCtIcKOfyU0P4zY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2JdBwaLYH0&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwOUCHR2oiCtIcKOfyU0P4zY AND (IN CAPS) ESPECIALLY THIS: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Al di Meola - Race with Devil on Spanish Highway !!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGWfDkx4zyY" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGWfDkx4zyY HUG
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 22:34
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Camel were a great band; therefore, they weren't metal ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: May 10 2015 at 22:49
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^Correction, Camel were a good band, but they would have been better if they were metal.
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: May 11 2015 at 10:04
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Anyone for death metal camel? |
Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: May 11 2015 at 10:14
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It's like asking the question, is Rush a prog band? |
Posted By: surrogate people
Date Posted: May 11 2015 at 16:57
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------------- Surrogate People they walk on by, they walk on by When they replace you They live your life, they live your life |
Posted By: Anoraknok
Date Posted: May 11 2015 at 17:38
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Most certainly. They play so fast so our brains can't process and it feels like slow and relaxing music. Ever saw a helicopter? It's the same thing, really. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 12 2015 at 05:31
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I've moved this thread to just for fun. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: May 12 2015 at 10:27
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Hey, but who needs drums? If you haven't heard these two, do so. Fabulous. I saw them one night on Public TV, and went out and bought 3 CDs the next day. P.S. And just to stay on topic, no, Camel is not a metal band.
[/QUOTE] One of my top ten bands for sure. 11:11 is one of the only albums I have without any flaws.------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: May 12 2015 at 10:29
------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 05 2015 at 16:16
Guess where I found this album  |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 12:19
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I have a rather coarse answer to this question, but I won't type it... |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 12:21
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Perhaps they are more of a Heavy Mental band. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 06:07
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^ That's a much better description of their music. The other one doesn't make any sense
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 06:12
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Well, dead Camel or death Camel - regardless of that, I saw them play live at Night of the Prog this weekend. Certainly not metal, and not a massive stage show, but hearing flawless renditions of Ice and Lady Fantasy certainly made my evening. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 06:41
Haven't seen them lately, but I saw Camel live several times and they struck me as one of the best live bands I ever saw.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:35
I did expect that they would play Lady Fantasy live due to the complexity but wow this is one of my all time favorite tracks ever by any band!!!!! group hug
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:38
Yes, Lady Fantasy live is a peak experience. You're Lady Goodtaste, Kati
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:42
Moogtron III!!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!
you are my favorite friend on here now!!!!!! more hugs |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:44
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Made my evening, as I wrote. Too bad I can't find a video of Lady Fantasy from that show. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:52
OMG Angelo, this is stunning how could you not possibly be blown away by this. Wow and WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Aaaahhhhhhhhhh even Jeff Beck with Nadia and Roine Stolt with the truth must set you free must have been inspired by that guitar wow!!!!  |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:58
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replay yay yes yay now Camel Ice aaaahhhhh wow xxxxxxxxx hoh wow!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the whole world now awww....
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 08:28
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It is amazing how good we feel after listening to this hair metal band, isn't it? Kati, this one's for you, don't miss it:
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 08:31
I grabbed that quickly not to miss it gnack gnack gnack It is Moogtron III, the feeling one gets listening to fantastic moozik one cannot beat this for sure!!
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