PA's Official Pick the 5th Beatle Poll.
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Topic: PA's Official Pick the 5th Beatle Poll.
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: PA's Official Pick the 5th Beatle Poll.
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 09:48
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It's time to decide once and for all. Who was really the 5th Beatle? The contestants.
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 09:57
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The other Paul ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:01
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Stu was the best in the band You forgot Billy Preston, by the way ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:01
^Douh!  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:04
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and Jimmie Nicol ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:05
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^Double Douh! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:12
C&P from wikipeeja:
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:19
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First off, there's no way I'm going list that many people as there's only so many hours in a day, minutes in an hour and so on... And your list is incomplete because it left out John Woloschuk from Klaatu!  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:30
| I'll go with what Paul says: If there was a fifth once the Fab Four as we knew it took shape, it was Brian. |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 10:44
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Toss up between George and Mal. Went with George. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 12:41
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Surely we've already decided they never existed? But if they had, it would have been Sir George Martin. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 12:42
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George Martin is the only one who qualifies. ------------- 
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 12:48
| George Martin for sure. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 13:21
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I'm going to stick to people who made musical contributions: George Martin was invaluable to the Beatles sound and their long-lasting appeal. While Billy Preston and others made performance contributions, George Martin often played a role in the very identity of the songs. Every Lennon/McCartney song, at least Revolver and on, was, in a way, Lennon/McCartney/Martin. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 15:43
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ADER, Martin!! ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 18:46
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Definitely George Martin...the Beatles would have sounded drastically different without his guidance and arrangement abilities... ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 19:06
No votes for Yoko? How puzzling. 
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 20:07
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This is silly. All you have to do is listen to the superb Beatles' Love album to know that without a doubt the 5th Beatle was Sir George Martin. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 21:00
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I agree that the only credible contender for so-called 5th Beatle is George Martin but I also believe his creative input and contribution diminished significantly over time as attested by Abbey Road engineer Ken Scott: I think they actually reached the point where they didn’t even need him (George Martin) for orchestral arrangements, since they would play what they wanted the string lines to sound like on a piano and George just scored what they played. He wasn’t so much creating the arrangement as just transcribing it. Even his Orchestral film score for their contractual obligation album 'Yellow Submarine' smacks of someone left in the lurch by his previous collaborators to plug a 20 minute shortfall. BTW contrary to popular belief, only the Amp Room staff at Abbey Road wore white lab coats ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 21:03
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Freda Kelly voted for Brian ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 06:08
Yoko Ono.  |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 07:59
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was there a supposed 5th member to a group that supposedly existed. If there was a group called the Beatles, it would have obviously have been George Martin. IF the Beatles had existed, they wouldn't have existed without: John, Paul, George, Ringo OR George Martin. case closed... all hypothetically of course. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 08:28
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George Martin. Without his musical knowledge and arrangements for some songs, and also for his open mind for listening to and trying new things that the band suggested to him. He had similar musical ideas most of the time as the band had, and he gave the members of the band the freedom to do what they liked. I think that he was the right person in the right place and in the right time for the band. If the band could have been signed by Decca I think that the quality of their albums was not the same and maybe their success wasn`t the same. He believed in the band and he signed them to Parlophone. ------------- Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:10
What is ironic about all this is with hindsight, we recognize George Martin as the 5th Beatle. However, the enigmatic producer was rarely mentioned until after the Beatles broke up. Even Phil Spector received more recognition for his post production work on Let It Be, then Martin ever did for his production work on every Beatles album except Let It Be. Now, how silly was that!
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The Dark Elf wrote:Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:29
Yes, but quite appalled at Phil Spector's work, The Beatles themselves humbly asked George Martin to return their studio sessions to a modicum of normalcy, or as Paul said, "the way we used to do it". Martin only complied when all The Beatles agreed to follow the previous manner of studio recording. The result, Abbey Road, might rightly be called their greatest recording. Again, proof positive as to who actually was the 5th Beatles. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:47
^I absolutely agree!  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Wakeman's Birotron
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:01
| George Martin for me. And why not include Billy Preston or Phil Spector? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:20
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Billy Preston's omission was actually an oversight. My apologies to you and Stool Man. Spector is more correctly identified with Lennon's and Harrison's early solo albums, so he gets a pass. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:24
There's always one.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 14:26
Hey, she was listed in the poll.  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 17:12
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I thought the obvious pick was George Martin, but he was already running away with all the votes, so I gave a nod to Geoff Emerick instead, who brought a lot of the Beatles' most incredible ideas to life between 1966-1969 (excluding the White Album, which he walked out on after a difficult start, and Let it Be). ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 21:05
But did that make the choice inevitable?
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 06:33
It depends on one's sense of humor or, rather, on one's sens of trolling.  |
Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 07:49
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 09:40
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 21:09
Why not include Eric Clapton then. Only George Martin contributed creatively to the music. The others are guest musicians, ex-band member, band manager, friends etc.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 03:57
While Martin's contribution is easily overestimated, Yoko's contribution is easily underestimated. Her influence on John's latter Beatles' work is given and her mere presence in the studio and anywhere where John was we know had an (negative?) effect on The Beatles' creativity. Same can be said about someone like Epstein. Who really knows what the Beatles (their music) would have been without him? It's not just about who where in the studio at the time of recording.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:03
| Dean Corll. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:05
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I agree with Earlyprog. Martin signing the Beatles as well as editing their compositions and arranging their songs orchestrally cannot be undervalued. However, his loss of control over the group in later years cannot be understated. If he had stuck to his guns, "The White Album" would have been a well produced single album that probably would have come close to rivaling Abbey Road. Even Abbey Road shows him in a reduced role with McCartney steering the ship. Mark Lewisolm's book, The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions and Geoff Emerick's book titled Here, There, and Everywhere recounts his experience's recording the group bears this out. (Emerick was an uncredited engineer on Abbey Road). A great early producer? Yes. A great later producer? Questionable. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:08
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This Space For Rent! (duplicate post omitted) ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:10
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^ Steve, I think you made your point the first time. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:15
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^No, the first I was remarking on Martin's lack of recognition, which was deserved. The second post examines the pros and cons of the man's work as the group's producer. Quite different posts.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:16
Oh. Thanks for the qualification. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:24
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:26
Oh. Thanks for the re-qualification.  ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 17 2015 at 10:28
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^Last time I post by I phone! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 09 2015 at 02:26
that would've been my choice (went for Voorman instead) |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: August 19 2015 at 23:54
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George Martin in the beginning - a major influence on each member's career in terms of learning how to use a studio. Yoko in the end - the frustration and confusion caused by each member's breaking away made for some great music.....not "Beatles" music per se, but great music under the Beatles name. And not that Yoko caused the friction that eventually broke them apart, she was just another straw on that camel's back. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 11:38
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Desperate men call for desperate threads. This one blows. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 11:53
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^Don't despair Rednight, there's a chance this idiot will become president. That should make someone like you feel better. >>
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 12:50
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 14:33
As you have used this picture of Trump as part of an avatar, you apparently are more attracted to him than anyone else on the Archive. And if you knew someone like me, you would have been well-advised not to post this pointless thread in the first place, you drip! Even my 17-year-old son knows that only George Martin could have been the fifth Beatle. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 14:55
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Oh, and one last thing, oh learned one. You forgot Murray the K. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 15:16
| ^I would have to agree with your assertion that your 17 year old son is smarter than you. I feel no need to contest you on that point. A rock would be smarter. Its been around longer. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 15:34
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Pete Ham |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 15:40
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^Oh, wow. I haven't heard that name in ages. Very sad circumstances surrounding Badfinger and their two key members. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 22 2015 at 15:48
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Ham was such a great songwriter. With him and Molland it was almost like having the junior Beatles around for a couple extra years. Mike is gone now too. Joey is the last one and still plays here in the Twin Cities all the time. He's lived here for years. Nice man and still loves to gig. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: August 25 2015 at 11:52
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First, Epstein. Every band needs a backer and his business acumen got them in the studio. George Martin kept them there. Acid test, remove anyone of the aforementioned or anyone else from the equation and see the consequences. No Epstein - Apple debacle, no Martin - Let It Be. No Epstein + no Martin = no Beatles. |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 26 2015 at 10:32
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Had he been on the list I'd have considered voting for Neil Aspinall, a faithful lieutenant to The Beatles throughout the time the band was together, and overseer of Apple for much of his life afterwards. However, without the studio genius of George Martin they'd never have been the band we all know and love. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |