The Beatles vs Genesis: Who do you prefer?
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Topic: The Beatles vs Genesis: Who do you prefer?
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: The Beatles vs Genesis: Who do you prefer?
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:15
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As most of the current polls seemed to be pitting bands against unlikely opponents, I thought I do one myself: The Beatles Versus Genesis!
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:18
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Oh, I even hinted at this in one of the tournament threads. Cruel!!! Cruel!!! I'll vote when my veins relax and the buzzing in my ears dies down.  ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:19
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Beatles all the way. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:19
| The Beeeeeeeeatles, but Genesis made me pause to consider first. Trespass, Foxtrot, and Selling England are just that good. Of course the Fab Four will win, but not without a fight. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:25
Without the Beatles there would never have been a Genesis  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:38
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Okay, these are my top two but Beatles will never be moved out of first place. It was the first rock I ever listened to and as others have said, without The Beatles there is no Genesis.
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:47
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Another vote for The Beatles ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 15:54
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The Beatles. Simply too much history to ignore. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 16:10
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the Beatles are incredibly important. But Genesis are more important to me personally, I'll be the one lone vote :) ------------- "I know one thing: that I know nothing" - SpongeBob Socrates |
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 16:26
Looks like we're really going to put some stress on the famous PA 'Genesis wins every poll' principle.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ramza1316" rel="nofollow - www.last.fm/user/ramza1316 https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845 |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 16:27
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No one, not even Leon Spinks, beats the Beatles. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 17:54
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Genesis ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: TradeMark0
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 18:04
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Genesis The Beatles were important, but so were other 60's rock bands. I would also like to point out that genesis made "real" concept albums. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 18:08
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Does The White Album win absolute here? I'm still looking forward to ordering it, considering what I've read here this Beatles album is amongst their best ever done, a 'must have' (prog?) rock album. The Beatles forever reign over Genesis of course. -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 18:26
It is The Beatles most diverse album, and my favorite. The acoustic tracks in particular are great; in fact, there are so many great acoustic numbers on this album, it could rank high in that category alone. Beyond that, Helter Skelter (Beatle Metal
), Piggies (Baroque), Back in the U.S.S.R. (the greatest Beach Boy parody of all time), and Cry Baby Cry are personal favorites. As far as being "prog", I would say rather that it is their most experimental yet earthy album.------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Rick Robson wrote:Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 18:54
| Gotta go with the Beatles on this one... |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 19:58
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The Fab Four ------------- |
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 20:54
This is cruel...there are only 4 prog bands I would say are as good as the Beatles. Lucky for Genesis, they're one of them  What can I say, I know what I like, and I like what I know 
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 21:03
| Beatles gets my vote, they were the first experimenting with many music styles and instruments plus they released the track I hate the most called number 9, (it sticks for days in my mind) who does that? |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 21:08
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One of the few people in the universe that's not a fan of either -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: December 09 2014 at 21:09
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Some of the Beatles' accolades are highly exaggerated, but no doubt they were innovators and incredible songwriters...well...three of them were
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 00:42
| Definitely The Beatles. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 02:02
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Genesis. -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 02:34
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 02:59
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Amazing, the Beatles are beating (no pun intended, but now that it's there... ) Genesis while I write this! I like the Beatles and they are the most important pop/rock - band in history, but I like Genesis much more.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 03:03
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I like the Beatles and their significance for rock music, including prog, is undeniable. Yet they cannot beat Genesis for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 03:36
One vote for Sgt. Pepper 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 03:59
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I really don't like The Beatles, despite being brought up with them. I no longer possess a single album by them. Genesis by far. One of the truly great bands. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 04:52
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Sorry, did the Beatles have a classically trained keyboardist in their ranks ?? ........ As good as they are, their creative 3 minute offerings can't top the amazing Charterhouse boys...... ........would read better..... |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 05:12
Yes, they have a keyboardist  |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 05:13
| ^ Sorry, no match for Banks.......... |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 07:06
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A bit surprised to know that Tony Banks was classically trained, since I had read in the forum that this was an exclusivity of Keith Emerdon and other one I can't quite recall precisely, think it was some member from The Nice (besides Keith obviousy as he'd been also a band member). ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 08:02
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As much as i love The Beatles and respect their influence i cannot chose them over a band that made 'Nursery Cryme' 'Foxtrot' 'Selling England...' 'The Lamb.....' This is PA...Not some Rolling Stones forum...Genesis should b winning. 
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 08:22
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I don't know how to say the obvious but saying that the Beatles White Album was released in 1968, while the band Genesis was formed at first only in 1967. |
Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 09:46
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i think the Beatles are amazing. Not in the least bit overrated .. underrated if anything. Revolver and Abbey Road are 2 of my favourite albums. It's just that i have a much closer emotional tie with Genesis. I discovered them at a very crucial time in my life and they took me to places no other band could. ------------- "I know one thing: that I know nothing" - SpongeBob Socrates |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 09:56
This is fair enough
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 10:21
Well, it's only because it's PA that the poll is so close and Genesis might yet swing it by the end. On most other forums, it would be a landslide victory for Beatles.
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Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 10:23
| lol Walton Street, I don't know how you could argue the most popular band of all time is underrated...unless you think the correct response for mankind is to sell ourselves to be Paul and Ringo's slaves. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 10:28
| The popularity itself becomes a convenient excuse for some people to pass them off as the precursor of boy bands. It has happened...on this very forum, if I am not very much mistaken. Not saying that they are underrated anything, but I can understand why people would say that. |
Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 13:30
most of us are age peers, I find the Beatles (or anything 'old') are not reaching most younger people and they are usually the ones calling them overrated because they have no idea, or care, what the Beatles mean to music in general. i remember years ago being bemused at the people who thought The Joshua Tree was the first U2 album... just a goofy example but it illustrates how much worse it is now - years later there are always a few thousand exceptions - and they find themselves on forums like this. The other hundreds of millions don't :) ------------- "I know one thing: that I know nothing" - SpongeBob Socrates |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 14:00
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Genesis! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 14:18
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Genesis! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 14:18
I don't think there's any way they could possibly be that. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 14:19
| I know what you mean Walton, in terms of appreciating older music you're preaching to the choir. That's not the way I measure "overratedness," though. If you try to compare them to modern OVERRATED music in pop culture then yes, The Beatles would appear to deserve at least 1,000x more popularity than say, One Direction. But in the grand scheme of things, did they get more than their fair share of screaming fangirls? Have they still sold more music than any other music artist? Compare them to the greats of prog or other pop innovators like Kraftwerk, and The Beatles can't possibly be in that same "underrated" boat. |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 14:29
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The Beatles, the biggest band in the world, and still are. ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 14:59
to be honest with you - i don't even like the term overrated/underrated. I think things are rated appropriately by the particular people that like them.. under appreciated is the term i should have used .. ------------- "I know one thing: that I know nothing" - SpongeBob Socrates |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 15:39
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Beatles are a 60's boy band..IDC how you stir it up. Genesis is brilliance, PG runs circles around McCartney.... -------------   
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 22:04
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I'm guessing Steve Hackett himself would vote for the Beatles, I don't know. But I'm not Hackett. I'm HackettFan, and in my spare time I'm a Genesis fan, so there goes my vote goes to Genesis. Now, if someone dares do a poll pitting Genesis against Zappa, that's when they'll have me whimpering in a fetal position. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 22:19
The Beatles were brilliant even The London Symphony Orchestra cover a few of their songs. 
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 22:22
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 22:26
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 23:25
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I have to post this here too
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 23:45
No, no, no. Personally, I have mixed feelings about Genesis nowadays!
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 23:53
I have to agree with ProgMetaller2112
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 04:06
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Hey, Genesis is taking the lead, at last! I think Beatles were incredibly innovative, probably much more than Genesis, more than ANY band, so I won't argue that they were any less than Genesis on that point. Great songwriters too (except for the respective drummers in the band). Certainly much much more than a 'boy band', even in the early stage of their career. But a lot of proggers, including me, have a bigger love for Genesis. It's a matter of the heart, I suppose. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 04:11
Ok you must go to the naughty corner now!
before that a hug |
Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 06:31
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Genesis, although I can't say it's a fair fight considering I'm barely familiar with The Beatles. With that said, on a personal level I don't think ANY band could beat Genesis in significance for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 06:49
hugs
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 06:51
QFT I like The Beatles but I love Genesis. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 06:51
time out, naughty corner to you too, Moogtron III!
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 06:53
Time out for Heston Blumental and his abs plus bra too! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 06:59
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I'll be over in the corner cooking horse hair with a tangy garlic and liquorice marinade then. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 09:08
The hug is for the matters of the heart, the naughty-naughty corner for preferring Genesis over Beatles? Never mind, I'll go in that corner... with my iPod full of Genesis tunes
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 09:17
hahaha touché
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 14:57
No more corners. 
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 21:02
hahaha!
hug |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 23:43
Genesis.------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: tiv
Date Posted: December 14 2014 at 08:21
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Genesis! Never liked the Beatles in the 60's and don't like them now. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 00:15
| Genesis easily. Country music versus Genesis? Not for me... |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 00:23
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As much as I love a man wearing a fox on top of his head while wearing a red dress, this is no comparison to me against the Beatles.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 00:31
Just because I find this pic so funny
hihihi hugs  |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 02:41
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Impossible choice here, no vote ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 03:38
Ah, you're being provocative! Take the flower hat off the head of the cat, put it on your head, and in the naughty corner with you. And you don't come out until you know the lyrics of Cinema Show by heart
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 03:46
Awww bah, Moogtron III you are twisting my own game against me! I object! It's not fair
lol you pest! hugs plus I dare not to contradict cats, dogs yes but cats no more |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 03:51
Ahum ermmm, as Davenkirq and Andy very eloquently pointed out, we are not allowed to post lyrics on here
thus I win! Yay bounce, bounce, happy yay whooioheeee bounce hug |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:37
You don't have to post them, just learn them by heart. Good medecine for you! Like vitamin C. Vitamin G in this case. Much better than the Beatles. "Number nine, number nine."
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:42
hahahaha you went there hahaha!!! NUMBER 9 Arghhhhhhhh, you play dirty,Moogtron III! I am blocking this out, I am blocking this song out, nana I am blocking this song out nanananahhhh....
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 07:44
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Genesis made a lot of great music, but I have always had reservations about them: 1. I can't say I like Gabriel's voice too much (Collins's is not much better). 2. Genesis albums are lengthier than what I consider optimal. Some of them feel outright TL;DL 3. After a number of strong albums, Genesis made a few embarrassingly weak ones. By way of comparison: 1. The Beatles remains one of the best vocal groups of all time 2. All "mature" (post-1965) Beatles albums are of optimal length and have perfect timing and structure. The 90' 2LP White Album is probably the only double album that I can listen to in one sitting. 3. There isn't a single post-1965 Beatles album that I consider weak, inconsistent, derivative or disappointing in any other way. Regarding the oft-mentioned "influence": Genesis made a lot of ingenious symphonic rock, which is still being imitated (or emulated) by a number of new(er) bands. At the same time, the Beatles completely overhauled the whole world of popular music. I'd argue that the Beatles's innovation in 1965-1970 helped create or bring to the fore a good dozen styles, including symph, hard rock, psychedelic, electronic and what not. |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 07:55
I SO beg to differ! Without Peter Gabriel there would not have been the BRILLIANT Genesis of the 1970-1974 period... |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 08:03
Prog4ever, have a listen to Sargent Pepper and The White album
except number 9, arghhh that track ends up in my head for days bah argghhhhh !!! Hugs |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 08:18
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Let me vote Beatles today :) ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 19 2014 at 20:39
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This poll has a majority for Genesis votes
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 09:47
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GENESIS Easily. Many of Beatles votes haven't musical reasons. Nostalgic reasons or Historical reasons push some guys to choose The Beatles. Some of members talked about "Released Date" of albums!! and some guys talked about "World and Music without Beatles!!" I don't think like that. With or Without Beatles Progressive music and musicians did their great works. I mean great musicians like Zappa or Gabriel or ... made their music and this music found fans. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 10:56
Okay, historical context aside. Please Please Me Vs. FGTR. Neither a great debut but both nice albums. Then Genesis had a run of 8 very good to great albums, and yes I am including ATTWT. After that it was a downslide but still had three likable albums in them. The Beatles remaining output only had two not quite as good offerings in Beatles for Sale and Yellow Submarine. Now if you include Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance and Calling all stations you have three pretty bad albums on the Genesis resume. Score: Genesis - 8 4 3  Beatles - 10 3 0 I'd say that is a pretty clear win for The Beatles. An additional point to consider is that The Beatles did it all in under a decade. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 18:27
THIS is a good point! ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 19:40
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Neither are huge favorites of mine, but at least I kind of like Genesis! ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 22 2018 at 07:42
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Genesis I rarely listen to the Beatles these days, because I did it way to much in the past. It's not the case with Genesis though. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 22 2018 at 08:04
| Have to say Beatles, one reason I don´t think there would have been Genesis without Beatles. But of course you can say the same all the progbands, anyway I think would put at least Wigwam, PF & KC over Beatles. |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: March 22 2018 at 10:43
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I guess it depends on how you phrase the question. Best musicians? Most influential? Favorite between the two? Both bands are in my top 5. I voted Beatles just for their shear impact on music overall. (ask me tomorrow & I'll probably vote for Genesis )
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 22 2018 at 11:22
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Genesis. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: March 22 2018 at 11:27
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The Beatles place in music history is immense - but thankfully this is a poll for which one is preferred - in which case Genesis is way ahead! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 08:22
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Beatles......................no hesitation. Ok...going to play that old trump card again, but who can say how much Genesis and other bands were influenced by what the Beatles did...? There's no question at all that things would have been far different musically since many of these bands have openly said they were heavily influenced by the Beatles sounds. If that's the case then the Genesis we hear and love today and in the past would not have existed in quite the same manner. btw..the poll does not mention prefer or like or anything..it just says Andromeda poll...Beatles vs Genesis....perhaps Steve can clarify his intentions...? ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 09:27
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^ I believe I posted this at a time when another member was posting polls with strange planetary names in the title. As it doesn't make since now I'll change it. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 09:33
| who's "better" is still vague |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 09:47
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More vague that the Andromeda Poll? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 09:51
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^ no LOL better songwriters? better skill on instruments? better vocals? better looking? (LOL) better what?
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 11:15
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^ or E) All of the above. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: socrates17
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 11:58
| I always take consistency into account in these matters. Genesis at their best was better than The Beatles at their best. But I lost interest in Genesis after Peter Gabriel left, even though the band became much more popular among GenPop when Collins was on lead vocals. The Beatles put out quality albums (to varying degrees, but nevertheless) for their entire career. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 12:15
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I posted Genesis when I thought it was just a preference. 'Better' makes it a difficult choice. Better musicians, songwriters, trailblazers.......? ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 23 2018 at 14:00
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