Leftfield in the Archives
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Topic: Leftfield in the Archives
Posted By: valravennz
Subject: Leftfield in the Archives
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 03:09
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I am totally amazed!!! Any of you who know the music of this group would not on first hearing associate it with progressive rock music. I have always thought Leftfield to be sophisticated electronic dance/trance music. As much as I love their music, I wonder if they should be included in the Archives. What are your thoughts on this?? ------------- 
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 05:17
| I'm all in favour of proggers listening to creative electronica, but sorry lads - it's a seperate genre. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 05:22
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I don't know them very well - but from what I heard, they don't belong here. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 05:36
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I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks they should not be in the archives. I would really like someone to give me some constructive reasons why Leftfield should be here? Thanks Mike and TP for your comments -------------
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 05:41
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Yep - the modern day electronica scene has A LOT of interesting and progressive artists, and one might say Leftfield is one of them, but they're just so far from prog rock they have no place on this site at all. We have a "progressive electronic" sub genre here on this site but IMO that should only be for the true electronic pioneers of the 70's , like TD, Schulze and Kraftwerk. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 05:52
I agree - there are some brilliant advocates of modern day electronica. So far the Archives has "basically" ignored them. I believe that a new precedent is being set! Does this mean that groups like Faithless, The Chemical Brothers and GoldFrapp as well as individuals such as Paul Oakenfeld and Carl Cox all great exponents of this music genre, now qualify for PA? I would like to know who approves the nomination and are the boundaries for acceptance into PA being discreetly expanded !!! -------------
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Logos wrote:Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:00
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I personally think much IDM is prog in electronic drag (Orbital's In Sides, for
example), but I feel uncomfortable with the (admittedly magnificent) Leftfield being here.  I agree with Trouserpress!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:05
I don't think these are progressive. I posted some examples of modern electronic bands which I consider progressive (some borderline): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9182 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9182
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:15
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^ Mike - I was being flippant by naming those groups in my comments above. I don't think for one minute that they are "progressive" but I cannot see much difference between them and Leftfield - genre-wise. I have heard "Lamb" - I think they are brilliant but I will go listen to the others you have mentioned in your post and let you know what I think of their music style. Thanks -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:22
^ The bands in the thread that I posted are IMO not enough prog to be listed in the archives, but they're very innovative and cleverly fuse electronic music with traditional music & instruments. Maybe someday, we'll have a category for such music on this website. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:31
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^ yep - that would be great to see - cheers -------------
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:32
Isn't that exactly what Tangerine Dream do? 
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:36
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Actually I was going to mention them further up the post and Kraftwerk as well -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:36
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Sure - I was referring to modern bands (1990 and upwards). I feel that the bands which I posted in my thread are as clever as the pioneers from the 70's, but they're not labeled "Progressive Electronic" because that genre seems to be confined to the 70's.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:49
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This is where the sub-genre thing becomes "messy" - While your bands are indeed clever proponents of electronica there is something which separates them from the pioneers of the 70's. Time seems to be the issue not technique. But then instrumentation and production is far more sophisticated now. Strangely enough I think the 70's pioneers sound just a good today as they did back then. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 06:54
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^I agree - the bands I listed belong somewhere else. Maybe a genre "Modern Progressive Electronica". The word "modern" in this context means that the music was created in a time where electronic music is commonplace. In the 70's, electronic music was something new - today it is nothing unusual. But the bands that I listed really test the boundaries of electronic music, AND combine it with traditional approaches. So in a way, they're similar to the 70's pioneers, but from an entirely different perspective. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 07:04
^ I like your idea of "Modern Progressive Electronica" that would IMO justify your bands and those similar to Leftfield being included in PA. Well...not only justify but give them a place historically within the progressive music movement. We like to catagorize our music it makes it easier to identify different forms and techniques doesn't it ?  -------------
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 07:38
Dear god - are the admins trying to make us guess where they'll next throw this thread. First to Bands and Albums, now it's up here again. Decide, will you! 
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Posted By: Harlequin
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 09:37
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Leftfield's "Leftism" is a great album and one that I play (at high voume) regularly. I would never dream of finding a review here though. ------------- Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Wisdom is not truth Truth is not beauty Beauty is not love Love is not music Music is the best... |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 09:52
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I too was pretty shocked to see Leftfield here ... but who can draw the line between Tangerine Dream and Kraftwerk and Vangelis and Jean-Michel Jarre and some of the last decade's most progressive dance-music innovators ... Goldie did a one track 60 minute album ... I think ... perhaps he's next? ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 11:27
| Considering the latest policy there is not an artist whose addition would shock me anymore. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 12:52
I'd better start working on my Mariah Carey biog then... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 12:56
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That's not realistic ... but we could add Madonna for her album Ray of Light - William Orbit did an excellent job there. File under Progressive Electronic ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:21
GONE  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:23
Well said, so do I. In fact, I am the one who added them tot he archives. Now listen to this: I'm sure you can all argue that progressive electronic music is Vangelis, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream etc and 'modern' music such as Leftfield is not progressive electronic because it sounds totally different. But prog music has changed, including electronica. Look at The Mars Volta! They're today's version of prog rock. It just sounds a whole lot different to the prog of the 70s. And 80s. etc. It's just the same here with electronic. ------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:25
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Publius: I know many modern electronic bands, but IMO Leftfield aren't one of them. They're more like Underworld, Massive Attack etc.. They're innovative, but not progressive. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:26
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The are GONE now ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:26
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Well, they've been removed now, I hope you're all happy. A lot of work went into putting them on the site, And I was up til 3 in the morning doing most of it. I even sat up sending quite a large MP3 via YouSendIt, because I cared that much about them being in the archives. I hope you're happy. ------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:27
Why were you so sure that they would be accepted? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:29
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I provided a reason, justifications and everything. The electronic section was very sparse; I would have thought some new additions would be welcome. But evidently not. ------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:32
Well, you could have made a poll about them first?? ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:35
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This genre contains artists like Vangelis, Tangerine Dream or Kraftwerk. Leftfield don't fit in there. Maybe when a new genre for modern prog. electronic music is created ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:36
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It was supposed to be a pleasant surprise. Oh well. I'm trying for a new band now. Not sure what genre to put them in though...kraut-rock, or experimental....there should be a crossover genre. ------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:36
I don't think that anyone here is happy about you having spent much time in vain, adding the band, info and albums ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:38
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No , we are sorry about that !
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Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:39
Oh well...I only want my extra star  I've been trying pretty hard, but I'll keep going.------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 13:45
I suppose I'll be happy if I'm made a collaborator.... ------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 19:27
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What are X2 classed as? Not a very familiar band to anyone I
should think, but it's basically Matt Abts (drums) of Gov't Mule and
Johnny Neel (keyboards) and that's all. A very electronic sound
with all sorts of things going on. I don't think they're prog,
not at all, but would like someone who may know, what genre they sort
of come under? I like them, whether they're prog or not. James. -------------   
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