YES: Rhino Remasters vs Japanese HDCD
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Interesting

Thanks, Max.

An interesting review which gives strong support towards buying the Yes catalogue in the Rhino Remaster format. I've held them in my hands numerous times trying to decide if it was worth the money to get these again.

Actually the fifth time.

Vinyl, Cassette, 8-Track (don't laugh), CD and now again.

There's always Birthdays, right? My kids are getting sick of me buying prog CD's for them. They always complain and then give them back to me. Silly children...

danbo wrote: There's always Birthdays, right? My kids are getting sick of me buying prog CD's for them. They always complain and then give them back to me. Silly children...

Good one Danbo !

I'm wondering whether to buy GOING FOR THE ONE  remaster.
What do you think of the bonus tracks? Some of you must have this!
(Below is a quote from the link mailto:M@X - M@X gave.)

The bonus tracks found on the Rhino release don't start off in a very impressive manner. Montreaux's Theme was originally released as part of the YesYears box set and to my ears the song sounds unfinished, like an incomplete thought. I keep wondering where this track is headed and then it's finished. Vevey Revisited is more improvisational harp and organ work from Anderson and Wakeman. As with the versions that appear on YesYears, this is a rather unstructured piece so don't expect it to go anywhere musically. (...) The dramatic and wonderful Amazing Bass makes it's appearance on the Rhino remaster but again that's on YesYears as well.
It's only when we get to the studio rehearsal of Going For the One that the Rhino remaster starts to gain points. The title track sounds as though it's a live in the studio rehearsal (without Anderson) but again the liner notes fail to provide any sort of details about when and how these tracks were recorded. None-the-less this rocking version of GFTO without Jon's vocals is very interesting indeed with Steve showing off his massive chops.
Up next is the rehearsal of Parallels with Chris's bass high in the mix. To my ears this too sounds like it's live in the studio with Jon and Chris providing guide vocals. Steve performs a cool slide guitar solo in place of where Wakeman will eventually lay down his church organ solo. The rehearsal for Turn of Century is the shining gem of this collection. Drastically different from the version we all know and love, this is an electric version that will surprise just about every Yes fan who hears it not just for it's totally different feel but because of the inclusion of Squire's Silently Falling which eases it way into the arrangement. This is the kind of thing that makes purchasing this release all the more worthwhile.
The final bonus track from Rhino's GFTO is Eastern Number which according to the liner notes is a early version of the much-beloved Yes classic Awaken. The basic structure is present however Wakeman seems to be missing from this version. Was this recorded during the period when Moraz was removed and the band was awaiting the return of Wakeman? Sadly we are never given any info about this. The opening piano solo is missing as is the harp and organ solo in the middle section. What is here is Chris, Steve and Alan going through the basic arrangement with Jon once again searching for lyrics and melody. There's not much more to describe since there are no drastic differences or surprises, which is a bit of a let down.

 (PS: re-sent in hope for answers...)

Interesting, but I refuse to buy these Yes CDs for a third time!

I've got most of the Rhino remasters and the packaging is good, but does anyone know why Going For The One is in a plastic case when all the others are in digipaks?

I also think 'GFTO' should have a had a digipak on the Rhino reissue, but the sound on all these Rhino remasters is absolutely top grade, and have some of the best remaster quality I've heard. Chris Squire's bass lines are very clear and powerful, particularly on 'Fragile'. I feel absolutely no need to replace them.

However, I do think all remasters these days should have bonus material of some sort- I never get that thrilled by the 'alternate mix' or 'alternative take/demo' type stuff, but it shows the company actually put some effort into the production of the CD.

I think the digipak reissue treatment was used to recreate as faithfully as possible the original sleeves of LPs, but was limited to the original LP releases that came with special packages; that is to say (in the vinyl case) multi-gatefolds packages.

This include also the album from "CTTE" up to "Relayer" that, to my knowledge, as an LP had a triple-gatefold sleeve.

Subsequent and preceding albums were released with single sleeves, so theres was no nothing special to justify the digipak.

But a question spring to mind: where the f**k are the remastered and expanded versions of "Yessongs" and "Yesshows"? Come on, RHINO, get the job done!!!

tortellino wrote: I think the digipak reissue treatment was used to recreate as faithfully as possible the original sleeves of LPs, but was limited to the original LP releases that came with special packages; that is to say (in the vinyl case) multi-gatefolds packages. This include also the album from "CTTE" up to "Relayer" that, to my knowledge, as an LP had a triple-gatefold sleeve. Subsequent and preceding albums were released with single sleeves, so theres was no nothing special to justify the digipak.

I have seen a two-fold sleeve of Relayer (and also my books about Roger Dean's art suggest that, not a three-fold). And GFTO  was a three-fold (but without great artwork to justify it really...). Inside picture had the band by a lake, the evening sky coloured orange. 

<<<< BTW my avatar is chosen due to my painting of it in '88, not for Yesshows album itself. Well, it introduced me 'Gates of Delirium' impressively... and later Relayer didn't do much for me. 

Snow Dog wrote: Going for The one didn't have a single sleeve...it had a beautiful fold out one!

Yeah, I've got that one up in my loft (along with Hemispheres!). What a photo that is in the middle!

That's why that Rhino CD was such a disappointment. The outer cover is not much to shout about (it's embarassing to show it to your mates when there's a bloke's arse on the front), but the inside is ace.

Hmm, there could be a thread there about arses on prog album covers - 2112, GFTO, Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking...

Matti wrote: tortellino wrote: I think the digipak reissue treatment was used to recreate as faithfully as possible the original sleeves of LPs, but was limited to the original LP releases that came with special packages; that is to say (in the vinyl case) multi-gatefolds packages. This include also the album from "CTTE" up to "Relayer" that, to my knowledge, as an LP had a triple-gatefold sleeve. Subsequent and preceding albums were released with single sleeves, so theres was no nothing special to justify the digipak. I have seen a two-fold sleeve of Relayer (and also my books about Roger Dean's art suggest that, not a three-fold). And GFTO  was a three-fold (but without great artwork to justify it really...). Inside picture had the band by a lake, the evening sky coloured orange.  <<<< BTW my avatar is chosen due to my painting of it in '88, not for Yesshows album itself. Well, it introduced me 'Gates of Delirium' impressively... and later Relayer didn't do much for me.

I'm pretty sure Relayer never had a three-fold cover, unless it's a foreign issue somewhere.

yargh wrote: What are the main differences between the Rhino remasters and the Atlantic ones?  Better packaging or better sound, too?  I only have the Atlantic remasters (which are lots better than the originally-issued CDs).

Ditto!

The Atlantic remasters are all you really need if you do not have those albums  in CD . Especially if you are only moderate fans of Yes (I mean not exhuberant)

I have been tempted to buy the japanese Mini-lp (like I did for Genesis , Crimson . VDGG , Zep , GonG, and a few more) but I passed up on Caravan (the colors where not respected on some) , Yes, ELP and Sabbath (the quality was not impressive on the last two).

Furthermore even for GFTO, the bonus (bogus?) tracks are often irritating, since they often sound out of context , or they are alternate or live takes or single versions or even demos etc... which means that you get to listen to some tracks two maybe three times within a halfhour (and sometimes in less than suitable conditions). All too rarely are the Bonus tracks really interesting.

Sorry for my incorrectness, but I'm a CD-era boy, so what do I know about your precious vinyl versions?

Anyway, I think the most beautiful vinyl to own is the 3-lp, 6 panel (!!!) gatefold of "Lotus" by Santana... There you'll find beautiful music too, for fans of improvisations, latin feel, psychedelic and wonderful melodies...

tortellino wrote: Sorry for my incorrectness, but I'm a CD-era boy, so what do I know about your precious vinyl versions?

Thats Ok, you were pretty free with your "knowledge" about it though. If you don't know, best not to say!