did I make the right choice?
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Topic: did I make the right choice?
Posted By: video vertigo
Subject: did I make the right choice?
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 01:53
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Tonight I was at Barnes & Noble with my dad, he offered to buy me 1 album of my choice and I wasn't about to buy another (didn't want a money management lecture) So I looked through the choices for classic early 70s prog and found 4 studio albums that I didnt have that I wanted (Yeah thats about all) ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 01:56
I didnt know Barnes and Noble sold prog??????? ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 01:58
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Anyway, the one near my house does not, and honestly, I havent heard all of SEBTP, although I plan on getting soon, so I cant really say if you made the best choice. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:01
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like I said I only found 4 albums ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
meurglysIII wrote:Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:02
it doesn't matter. you need to buy them all eventually to be a true prog fan. even if you end up hating them, you are required to own them. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:07
| I would have gotten Yes's Close to the Edge, and no one's required to like Genesis to be a true prog fan. Who knows though it could end up being your absolute favorite, I just have an irrational disliking of Genesis. |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:07
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I know I would have bought them all, and plan on it but I'm a poor college kid making a buck 25 over minimum. So I only buy about 2 or 3 cds a month. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:22
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The first three are essential, the fourth not (IMHO of course). SEBTP
is probably the best starting point to discover Genesis, and has the
advantage that it opens up the listener quickly - Foxtrot is an
essential next buy for a Genesis collection. Close to the Edge is a
little more difficult to get into, but also a fantastic album.
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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:35
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Video Vertigo, you made a fine choice. Then again, there was no way you
could lose with those choices. All are fine albums you'll definitely want to add to your collection. I would suggest picking up CTTE next, followed by Foxtrot, and round it off with Tubular Bells. |
Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 02:51
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Ok, you made a fine choice. Arguably the Genesis best album ever. Now remain in the path and buy Foxtrot. ------------- Still alive... |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 03:09
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Difficult to say, as tastes differ. You like prog metal, no? If so, I guess you did the right choice from your point of view. I like CtTE much more, but htat is another issue. If you have a change, listen it at sometime, and make your own decision. I don't know about States, but at least here at Finland, you can find "Tubular Bells" and "CtTE" from bigger libraries! I found OLDFIELD is little boring... |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 03:48
I think you made the worse! SEBTP is poorly produced [like most early Genesis albums] and that album is not essential prog.It does have one, and only one great track called firth of Fith, the rest is average! Buy CTTE or Tubular Bells, you'll be happy you did!
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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 04:17
Right....  ------------- Blog this: http://artrock2006.blogspot.com |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 04:24
| You couldn't really lose with any of those. My favourite out of the lot is CTTE but SEBTP is brilliant (and longer, so you got more music for your money). The production is vastly improved over their previous effort and it's mile better than Tubular Bells. |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 04:40
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You have made absolutely the right choice. Firth of Fith was my first real prog experience with Genesis. Great album and not that heavy for your brain. In my opinion your brain has to adjust to a certain level of progressive music. Close to the Edge is less easy to digest than Selling England, but after the biochemcial experience with Selling England and followed by the great album Foxtrot, your brain would be about ready for Close to the Edge. The other way around could cause some serious brain distortion. As proof I refer to the post of Progger. My brain is slowly adjusting to VDGG now.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 04:45
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good starting points for getting into prog, but don't stop there. there is a lot more to be found. by the way: when I look at the top 100 of the archives I always get the impression people give their starting points the highest rating, for some reason, and automatically subtract one star from other albums of the same quality; it is the only explanation I have why certain albums are at the very top of the charts. I think everybody will agree with me that most of these albums are typical starting points for the journey into prog; but does that necessarily mean they are the very best? but, as the saying goes, "old loves die hard", and that's why they are up there. this refers to some of the albums at the very top only, by the way; there are a lot up there that rightly deserve this place -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 10:45
Genesis "Selling England By The Pound" is one amongst the very few albums Id consider 5 star (5 or so albums), good choice 
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 10:47
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My local Barnes and Noble is where I get all me GG albums, it is loaded with rarities... Saying that, you made the right choice with SEBTP. ------------- 
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Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 10:51
| Re: SEBTP. I believe Foxtrot, Nursery Cryme, Lamb Lies Down, even Trespass are more interesting musically. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:01
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I can't believe I'm the first one that's going to say this... Have you listened to it yet? Yes? Do you like it? Yes? Then it was the right choice!!!!!! No? It's still the right choice, because if you don't like that Genesis album, you probably won't like any of them (at least in the Gabriel period), and now you know!  ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:02
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dont let other people tell you what to like. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Axis
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:07
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I'd put YES's CttE as fractionally more essential to the annals of Progdom personally, but SEbtP is my personal favourite GENESIS record (apart from the cover - horrible pic with disgusting cream surround!) Never really like tubular bells, it's the voice introducing the instruments that narks me. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:11
| All of them are probably "essential" (another thread today....) but SEbtP is as good a start as any, more accessible than Close to the Edge even if possibly........[that's enough Yes v Genesis -Ed] |
Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:14
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good choise. i dont find anything essential in selling englan by the pound. ------------- We want... a shrubbery! |
Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:17
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umm sorry.. i read that you selected ctte...... my bad... and a bad bad choise. ------------- We want... a shrubbery! |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:18
I haven't come that far yet. Anyways. You made the right choice! CTTE and Foxtrot are both brilliant. Tubular Bells I only remember
that I've listened to it once, but I don't remember how it sounded. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:20
I had quite forgotten about that annoying voice.....now how does it go? "Guitar...piano...double speed guitar...triangle....bath plug......aah, you're right it.drones on & on until "plus tubular bells!" Who's voice is it - sounds too old for Oldfield? |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:27
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Video Vertigo, I'd say you're on the right track, however. What I've been doing is going for the most highly rated album by a particular artist if I've never heard 'em. That way, you'll pretty much know you're either going to like them, or not. This site is such an amazing resource!!! ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 11:41
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I would go for Foxtrot among the four. Much better than SEbtP. As for CttE: that's my personal favorite, but shorter, and shows a more experimantal side of Yes. btw, I always prefer Yes over Genesis... Mike Oldifield should come at a later stage for proggers ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 12:41
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[QUOTE=Progger]I think you made the worse! SEBTP is poorly produced [like most early Genesis albums] you gotta be kiddin'....if SEBTP is "poorly" produced, what would you say about Nursery Crime? I think SEBTP is the better produced Hackett/Gabriel era Genesis' album, maybe even better than The Lamb... ------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Posted By: porter
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 12:56
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video vertigo (good nickname sorry, I'd forgot the main subject you've made a GOOD choice...SEBTP is a great album, even though I find it's brutally spoiled by "I know what I like" and the damn stupid "more fool me". The rest is great music, and it's a good starter. Next step could be Foxtrot and then Yes. I would suggest you to leave Mike Oldfield to a later moment. bye, porter
------------- "my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III") |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 13:29
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Well, I think you made a fine choice, Video Vertigo. I also started my Genesis collection with SEBTP and all I can say is, it was a good thing that I did! I was hooked on it for weeks, until I went and got Foxtrot next...and it was such a disappointment. Nursery Cryme did not improve on things and I was beginning to think that Genesis as a whole was not for me after all. Of course, as is in my nature, I didn't give up and kept on listening to the other two records, and now I do like Foxtrot quite a bit -still not that enthusiastic about Supper's Ready as a whole but hey, I know I am in a very small minority there! And what's wrong with More Fool Me, it's a sweet song! Anyway, get CttE next, as it is simply the best. ------------- I was made to love magic |
Posted By: Under
Date Posted: August 12 2005 at 15:04
Well I can see it wasn't easy, but I managed and I am proud of it.
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 01:15
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this isn't an introduction to prog for me, but a continuation of buying classic symphonic prog. I have quite a selection of non classic symphonic prog in my collection. Why is there such a belief that early Marillion and early Genesis is so similar? I can't hear it, and Fish does NOT sound like Gabriel. I have all Marillion's albums with Fish and now 1 Genesis album with Gabriel and don't hear the similarities ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 09:56
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It's my favourite of the lot ... if that's any consolation ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 17:21
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all of them are worth buying. Personally I prefer Foxtrot out of these 4, then CTTE, then SEBTP and last is Tubular bells which is nice but not even close to the other 3. Enjoy your new disk ! ------------- omri |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 17:45
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Selling England by the Pound isn't a bad choice.But if you don't already have it you should have bought Yes' Close to the Edge -------------  |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 17:50
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If you like it, then its ok with me. I of course would have bought Close to the Edge.
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: August 13 2005 at 18:00
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Yes, probably... 'Selling England by the pound' is a great album and it is probably the EASIEST to get into of all of the choices, CTTE might have put you off a bit! The title track is a hard nut to crack. The other two songs are much easier though. 'Tubular bells' requires REAL attention, and is alot to take in, since you really need to take all 50+ minutes in all at one time. 'Foxtrot' is one you should get to later also, since (although it is one of the best songs of all time) 'suppers ready', again is alot to swallow in one go... I think you chose 'wisely'...now that sounds like a movie, eh? |