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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by uvtraveler uvtraveler wrote:

Hi All, As one who has played guitar and composed for many years now, I'm always interested in seeing how to create "prog rock" material with little to no keyboards. For about 20 years, I have trying to figure  out how to arrange ELP's  KarnEvil IX, Imp I, Pt I for guitar/bass/drums  (to no avail so far unfortunately). As this forum has a lot of people who seem truly interested in music, I'd like your opinions on what you feel about guitar-centric prog rock.  Do we need keyboards, etc. to truly get the aestheticof prog rock?  If not, what are the best examples of music in this style. My opinion, of course, is guitar/bass/drums alone can create valid  "prog rock"....and of course late 70s Rush is the prime example....but is that all that is popular?

FYI, on a Greg Lake live DVD, guitarist, Florian Epahle, played the lead portion of Karn Evil 9 on guitar, which of course was originally played by Emerson on keyboard. Keyboards, however, were covering other parts.

The original track also has lead guitar parts which are very prominent. I'm not sure you are right about this especially as Lake employed 2 keyboard players on that tour including one Dave Arch of Strictly Come Dancing fame.

Carl Palmer Band has been playing the entire ELP repertoire for years without any keyboards. Worth checking out.
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Originally posted by uvtraveler uvtraveler wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by uvtraveler uvtraveler wrote:

Hi All, As one who has played guitar and composed for many years now, I'm always interested in seeing how to create "prog rock" material with little to no keyboards. For about 20 years, I have trying to figure  out how to arrange ELP's  KarnEvil IX, Imp I, Pt I for guitar/bass/drums  (to no avail so far unfortunately). As this forum has a lot of people who seem truly interested in music, I'd like your opinions on what you feel about guitar-centric prog rock.  Do we need keyboards, etc. to truly get the aestheticof prog rock?  If not, what are the best examples of music in this style. My opinion, of course, is guitar/bass/drums alone can create valid  "prog rock"....and of course late 70s Rush is the prime example....but is that all that is popular? 

FYI, on a Greg Lake live DVD, guitarist, Florian Epahle, played the lead portion of Karn Evil 9 on guitar, which of course was originally played by Emerson on keyboard. Keyboards, however, were covering other parts.


Really?  Do you know the name of the DVD...I have to see that.  Thanks HackettFan
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The DRX is an avant prog act from Brooklyn who released a great album titled Thesis in 2011 - without keyboards.



personnel:

Dean Capper - Electric Cello 
Ryan Hare - Electric Guitar/Vocals 
Dan Romans - Drum Set/Vocals 
Dan Stevens - Electric Bass/Vocals





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How could we forget these guys? One of their best compositions, from III: Tragic Symphony.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by uvtraveler uvtraveler wrote:


Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by uvtraveler uvtraveler wrote:

Hi All, As one who has played guitar and composed for many years now, I'm always interested in seeing how to create "prog rock" material with little to no keyboards. For about 20 years, I have trying to figure  out how to arrange ELP's  KarnEvil IX, Imp I, Pt I for guitar/bass/drums  (to no avail so far unfortunately). As this forum has a lot of people who seem truly interested in music, I'd like your opinions on what you feel about guitar-centric prog rock.  Do we need keyboards, etc. to truly get the aestheticof prog rock?  If not, what are the best examples of music in this style. My opinion, of course, is guitar/bass/drums alone can create valid  "prog rock"....and of course late 70s Rush is the prime example....but is that all that is popular? 

FYI, on a Greg Lake live DVD, guitarist, Florian Epahle, played the lead portion of Karn Evil 9 on guitar, which of course was originally played by Emerson on keyboard. Keyboards, however, were covering other parts.

Really?  Do you know the name of the DVD...I have to see that.  Thanks HackettFan


@uvtraveler: That's it.

@richardh: ELP is more your domain than mine, it just conflicts with my memory, and it may just be my memory that's at issue. On the extras CD, I seem to recall a comment from Lake about Epahle having to learn some keyboard parts and translate them to guitar, and I was fairly certain that the part Epahle played on Karn Evil 9 was a case of that. But if I'm wrong, so be it (I'm out of town on vacation for a couple weeks, so I won't checking on it too soon). The DVD should still be worth uvtraveler's perusal in any case. I think I'll follow up on the Carl Palmer band as you suggested myself. Thanks.

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Karnivool has no keyboards, yet they still create complex chords and moods. i like some of the songs on the album 'sound awake'.

aside from that a band called Animals as Leaders is amazing. I'm sure some of there songs have no keyboard, and i think some of them have no bass either (tosin plays an 8 string guitar with low notes). Their self titled album is really good guitarcentric prog. haven't heard the rest though


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The Aristocrats fit the criteria very well.   SQ on their recordings is excellent, play it on a good system and crank it up.

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I was thinking that NEKTAR should be listed in this thread?
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Definitely early Queensrÿche. Degramo and Wilton just fly and take over with Jeff's soaring vocals.
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I really enjoy the band "Scale the Summit," these kids really burn up the wires! 
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Queen's early albums didn't have any keyboards.
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Originally posted by Wheelspawn Wheelspawn wrote:

Queen's early albums didn't have any keyboards.
No piano? Wow. That is good guitar playing by May.
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From the late sixties, John du Cann's band Andromeda is a mainly guitar/bass/drums format with vocals. Their self-titled debut album is a brilliant record and very progressive and ahead of it's time. Du Cann's guitar is especially striking throughout.
           I would also recommend Dzyan's second album Time Machine from 1973. Similar format to Andromeda, but no real vocals, and just as sublime.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Wheelspawn Wheelspawn wrote:

Queen's early albums didn't have any keyboards.
No piano? Wow. That is good guitar playing by May.

I believe the phrase was "No synthesizers"!!  

Great wisecrack by the way!  Clap
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Originally posted by Wheelspawn Wheelspawn wrote:

Queen's early albums didn't have any keyboards.
Yes, but I'm afraid that Queen weren't a progressive rock band.
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