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Points: 7866 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 19:41
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

 But isn't that what the Prog-related section should be for?
As I remember from past discussions, Prog-related section was intended for bands/artists whose music has prog elements, but who don't have fully prog albums. If they released at least one prog album they should be included in some prog genre. Excuse me if I'm wrong.

But what I'm trying to say here is that the last thing I want to see on PA is different rules (like complete discography for some bands and only selected albums for others). It's too confusing. 
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Points: 2549 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 22:18
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I see thye OP's point, there's more to it than just some mildly proggy LP by the Scorps;  Almost everyone with any real interest in music and its expansion did at least one album between about 1970 and 1979 that could be considered progressive rock, or a progression of rock.   It was truly a Grand Age of Prog and you had people as Meatloaf[Bat Out of Hell], Stevie Wonder[Music of My Mind,Songs in the Key of Life], even McCartney[Wild Life].   I'm not suggesting these artists be considered for ProgRelated or even the albums, just that this Grand Age should be recognized.



But isn't that what the Prog-related section should be for?

I mean, why not add bands that had prog albums but not prog careers to PR?  People get pissed and go, "but that band isn't prog," and you say, trollfacely, "But A Ha (see what I did there), they are in prog related, not a full prog subgenre!"

Prog Related should be the largest "subgenre" here, truth be told.


In theory, I agree with you, but I don't want this to become the prog related archives, so I do support somewhat of a strict standard for which bands can be included.  If most artists in the 70's released a proggy album at some point, then the site could be flooded with new additions of bands that may technically belong in PR but, in the larger context of the site, would be better left out.

I think the criteria for new Prog Related additions right now is that the artist must be clearly influenced by progressive rock and also have had an influence upon the prog scene.  I think that could be tweaked a bit (it basically rules out new bands from inclusion in PR) but I think something like it is necessary to keep the focus of the site.
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Points: 528 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 03:51
I still struggle to see why restricting the discography for certain bands should prove to be an issue. Whether done manually (note in the biography like on the IGB page) or by the system, we would know which bands fall into this category whn we add them.
If not (and I suspect not!), someone on this site I think did suggest somewhere having a category similar to the Various Artists category (Samplers, Concept Albums, Tributes) where people could add progressive albums, but not progressive bands. That might work. To stop the site getting swamped with all sorts of proggy albums by mainstream artists that they want to review or promote, additions to the "sub-genre" could even be restricted to admin or collabs. It can't be beyond the ken of mortal men to solve this. Of course, I may be in a small minority who think that there is an issue at all here!
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 13:20
The decision that a band's complete discography should be added is solely down to M@x, the site owner. There was a lot of debate about it in the early days, and M@x made it clear that was how it was to be. It can of course be debated again, but that is a fundamental tenet of the site.

There are no exceptions to this, even bands such as IGB and Tyrannosaurus Rex have all their albums added (or eligible) providing they are by those specific artists.
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Points: 13525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 16:12

^ As Bob has pointed out this just isn't going to happen unless M@X has a change of heart and personally i like things as they are.
I like that they've branched out with Jazzmusicarchives and Metalmusicarchives because if it's just a case of wanting your opinion heard on certain albums you can go and do reviews at those places. I'm thinking of the bands you mentioned like Judas Priest, UFO and Scorpions. I know i lamented that Katatonia wasn't on here but when i get around to it i'll just review them over there, same with Judas Priest.
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Points: 8621 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2012 at 17:22
^ Or go to Discogs or Rateyourmusic-that is where i had to go to review Helmut Koellen.
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