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Ambient Hurricanes
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Topic: Feeling Entitled to Your Music Posted: February 12 2012 at 22:29 |
I've recently noticed that I've developed an entitlement attitude to music. I tend to think that I should be able to get the music I want for free, and if I can't have it, then that's a problem, or is wrong in some way. The thing is, I get all my music legally, but I like to listen to streams on bandcamp and videos on youtube which give me free access to almost anything I want. Living in the internet age, we have free and legal access to a ridiculous amount of music on sites like youtube, spotify, pandora, last.fm, etc., and I think I tend to forget that this music is a great gift and privelage, not a right. Does anyone else feel the same way? Do you think this is a problem in our culture even among people who get their music legally?
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The T
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Posted: February 12 2012 at 22:34 |
Sense of entitlement is a big problem, yes.
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Proletariat
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Posted: February 12 2012 at 22:44 |
I don't really get this, enough of my music is obscure that im used to not being able to find it online and I much prefer owning music to streaming (usually low quality) anyhow. I definately see this amongst my friends. The university internet shuts down when p2p programs are used and they get so upset and defensive that
a) they are doing nothing wrong
b) they have a right to free music
c) that music has no monitary value anyway
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 12 2012 at 22:55 |
If it's there and I want to listen to it I will listen to it. Entitlement has nothing to do with it. If a band or label wants to deprive people or listening to their stuff then go ahead. Something else will fill the void. There will always be music, and if a band or a record company thinks it is a better idea to let a good work dwell in obscurity than to upload it or license it out, their loss.
I've stopped having a problem with downloading, even though I hardly do it anymore. It is simply because there will always be music. Downloading, the destruction of all labels everywhere, and any other formal organization doesn't mean anything now. If you have a devoted musician, digital technology, and the internet, you have access to tons of music and tons of music for free, uploaded by people without any expectation of being compensated. It is a wonderful thing, because it is all about the music, passion, and the desire to engage in a something that brings humans joy just by existing.
Are we entitled to music? No. But it's a moot point anyway. Music will never go away, and should be glad and welcoming the technology that makes it easier to share music.
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The Miracle
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Posted: February 12 2012 at 23:21 |
The T wrote:
Sense of entitlement is a big problem, yes. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 12 2012 at 23:29 |
I think people generally feel entitled to everything these days. Sorry if that sounds cynical but in this part of the world, things changed more slowly so I still remember a time when there was no Windows PC, no internet, no CDs, no nothing. And we were quite happy, thank you. Possibly less harried and less bombarded by information than today, as well, but that cuts both ways and I am deeply suspicious of nostalgia so I will leave it at that that was also a way to live.
A good cure for that, if you are a music lover, is to attend a concert of some favourite musicians, and wait in long queues for hours just to get in and then when they 'deliver', you will truly appreciate how priceless it is, how privileged you are to have been there and watched them. I watched Shakti yesterday, after waiting an hour to collect a pass in lieu of my internet booking receipt and then to get into the arena and came back with that kind of feeling. I can say now that I have seen McLaughlin, Zakir Hussain, U Shrinivas perform and know what it means to watch them. I can say now that anybody who thinks youtube or DVDs are any substitute for that doesn't know what he is talking about, period. Great live experiences hopefully put you back in touch with the original feeling of enchantment when you got into music and stop you feeling jaded and saturated, which is likely where the feeling of entitlement comes from. How can we possibly take the presence of great musicians for granted?
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: February 12 2012 at 23:36 |
rogerthat wrote:
I think people generally feel entitled to everything these days. Sorry if that sounds cynical but in this part of the world, things changed more slowly so I still remember a time when there was no Windows PC, no internet, no CDs, no nothing. And we were quite happy, thank you. Possibly less harried and less bombarded by information than today, as well, but that cuts both ways and I am deeply suspicious of nostalgia so I will leave it at that that was also a way to live.
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You're not being cynical, it's true. When people live in abundance, they start to think they deserve it. As an American, I can relate to that, it being very prevalent in my culture and in my own life.
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: February 12 2012 at 23:50 |
I support music as much as I can and nearly all my spending money goes toward albums from my favourite new bands. However, if it weren't for the internet and being able to listen to the music for free, I wouldn't have found them in the first place. Which would you prefer as an artist, someone never hearing your music, or the same person hearing it for free, and buying it later if they thought it was truly astounding? And for the artists who I enjoy a little, but don't have the money to go out and purchase their music, at least I can become familiar enough with them to recommend them to others. Unfortunately a lot of people don't ever end up supporting even the artists they really enjoy, and that I have a problem with.
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Posted: February 13 2012 at 00:14 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
I think people generally feel entitled to everything these days. Sorry if that sounds cynical but in this part of the world, things changed more slowly so I still remember a time when there was no Windows PC, no internet, no CDs, no nothing. And we were quite happy, thank you. Possibly less harried and less bombarded by information than today, as well, but that cuts both ways and I am deeply suspicious of nostalgia so I will leave it at that that was also a way to live.
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You're not being cynical, it's true. When people live in abundance, they start to think they deserve it. As an American, I can relate to that, it being very prevalent in my culture and in my own life. |
This is exactly it. I will keep the legal-illegal part of it out of this discussion, but people can't take for granted that they will always have access to great music and that they are entitled to be entertained by music, whether on youtube or whether on CD. To follow the work of a great artist is a very special thing in itself.
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Posted: February 13 2012 at 05:06 |
The Miracle wrote:
The T wrote:
Sense of entitlement is a big problem, yes. |
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Posted: February 13 2012 at 08:29 |
Most musicians are trying to produce good music and they still need to make a living. Trying something for free is one thing but if you like something enough to listen to it on a regular basis, rather than move on after one or two listens, you should pay for it. I go a step further, if I can get it direct from the musician or an internet shop closely connected to the musician, then I will.
I built up my LP collection on a combination of new, used, cut-outs, and promo copies. Only occasionally did I make a cassette copy of a friend's or library's. In each of these instances only a little of my money if any made it back to the artists. Damn shame.
Edited by Slartibartfast - February 13 2012 at 14:22
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Posted: February 13 2012 at 13:24 |
Sense of entitlement amongst general populace is almost entirely a Western world phenomenon. Review the subject with large swaths of Africa and Southern Asia where just having the security of clean water and a rape free day is a triumph.
That being said, you should probably pay for music if you expect to listen to it whenever you want. But pay the artist directly whenever possible.
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Posted: February 16 2012 at 07:46 |
Snow Dog wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
The T wrote:
Sense of entitlement is a big problem, yes. |
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Posted: February 16 2012 at 07:51 |
Blacksword wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
The T wrote:
Sense of entitlement is a big problem, yes. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 16 2012 at 08:56 |
I feel entitled to all the music I have purchased. That and streaming whenever offered or allowed by the artist. Also trading of out of print stuff with a fellow fan. It's basic decency. If you aren't willing to work for free you shouldn't expect if from others. I was just thinking about how artists putting out DVDs and "official" bootlegs have utterly devastated the bootleg industry.  
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Posted: February 21 2012 at 12:12 |
stonebeard wrote:
If it's there and I want to listen to it I will listen to it. Entitlement has nothing to do with it. If a band or label wants to deprive people or listening to their stuff then go ahead. Something else will fill the void. There will always be music, and if a band or a record company thinks it is a better idea to let a good work dwell in obscurity than to upload it or license it out, their loss.
I've stopped having a problem with downloading, even though I hardly do it anymore. It is simply because there will always be music. Downloading, the destruction of all labels everywhere, and any other formal organization doesn't mean anything now. If you have a devoted musician, digital technology, and the internet, you have access to tons of music and tons of music for free, uploaded by people without any expectation of being compensated. It is a wonderful thing, because it is all about the music, passion, and the desire to engage in a something that brings humans joy just by existing.
Are we entitled to music? No. But it's a moot point anyway. Music will never go away, and should be glad and welcoming the technology that makes it easier to share music. |
It's true that there will always be music, but people should also want to compensate bands for making music that enriches and enhances their lives. I do my fair share of downloading, but if I find an album that I like, I put aside the money to buy it. I'm not entitled to the music - the internet provides me with the luxury of being able to listen to a lot of different music for free. However, I feel that it is my obligation to buy albums that I enjoy, and in that way encourage the band to continue to produce music.
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 21 2012 at 18:54 |
aphelorah wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
If it's there and I want to listen to it I will listen to it. Entitlement has nothing to do with it. If a band or label wants to deprive people or listening to their stuff then go ahead. Something else will fill the void. There will always be music, and if a band or a record company thinks it is a better idea to let a good work dwell in obscurity than to upload it or license it out, their loss.
I've stopped having a problem with downloading, even though I hardly do it anymore. It is simply because there will always be music. Downloading, the destruction of all labels everywhere, and any other formal organization doesn't mean anything now. If you have a devoted musician, digital technology, and the internet, you have access to tons of music and tons of music for free, uploaded by people without any expectation of being compensated. It is a wonderful thing, because it is all about the music, passion, and the desire to engage in a something that brings humans joy just by existing.
Are we entitled to music? No. But it's a moot point anyway. Music will never go away, and should be glad and welcoming the technology that makes it easier to share music. |
It's true that there will always be music, but people should also want to compensate bands for making music that enriches and enhances their lives. I do my fair share of downloading, but if I find an album that I like, I put aside the money to buy it. I'm not entitled to the music - the internet provides me with the luxury of being able to listen to a lot of different music for free. However, I feel that it is my obligation to buy albums that I enjoy, and in that way encourage the band to continue to produce music. |
True enough. That rant was more along the lines of contradicting the argument that piracy is killing off bands and creativity and removing enticements for new artists to get their music out there. Which is just plain nonsense.
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paganinio
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Posted: February 21 2012 at 19:17 |
I think I'm entitled to get Jazz music for free, you know the hard bop 50s and 60s stuff.
Anything else I like, I'd like to purchase it.
Why? Because I'm not that into Jazz so I would never buy it anyway, also because most of the classic Jazz records are going into public domain in a few years IMO.
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Posted: February 21 2012 at 19:21 |
Well that's rude. Jazz musicians are people too.
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