Greatest Star Trek Film

Atavachron wrote: The Doctor wrote:   BTW, the 2009 film was a reboot (much like what they did with Battlestar Galactica) not a prequel. "Reboot" my ass, the only thing they 'rebooted' was thje level of stupidity (e.g. the ice monster scene or the fight on the platform).  Other than that, very little changed and it was quite clearly aligned with TOS, much unlike the reinterpretation of - and improvement upon - Galactica.

The Voyage Home followed by First Contact.

lazland wrote: I love the 2009 film. It breathed new life into a franchise which was becoming a little tired under Berman & etc. However, the vote goes to IV. a wonderful film, although, as has been said, Kirk most certainly should have hooked up with Gillian!

Oddly enough Decker from the first movie would hook up with her on a TV series.
7th Heaven


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 02 2012 at 15:04

progistoomainstream wrote: Atavachron wrote: The Doctor wrote:   BTW, the 2009 film was a reboot (much like what they did with Battlestar Galactica) not a prequel. "Reboot" my ass, the only thing they 'rebooted' was thje level of stupidity (e.g. the ice monster scene or the fight on the platform).  Other than that, very little changed and it was quite clearly aligned with TOS, much unlike the reinterpretation of - and improvement upon - Galactica.   It may not be a true "Reboot" but it is not a true prequel either.

The Doctor wrote: Snow Dog wrote: progistoomainstream wrote: Atavachron wrote: The Doctor wrote:   BTW, the 2009 film was a reboot (much like what they did with Battlestar Galactica) not a prequel. "Reboot" my ass, the only thing they 'rebooted' was thje level of stupidity (e.g. the ice monster scene or the fight on the platform).  Other than that, very little changed and it was quite clearly aligned with TOS, much unlike the reinterpretation of - and improvement upon - Galactica.   It may not be a true "Reboot" but it is not a true prequel either. Of course it's a true reboot. Gawd! The writers threw out the continuity of Star Trek (the most obvious example of this was blowing up Vulcan and the death of Amanda).   While it takes place in an alternate Trek universe, this is just a way of saying they rebooted the series, meaning throwing out the established continuity and starting fresh.

The Doctor wrote: progistoomainstream wrote:   And was that really necessary to make a Star Trek film that people will want to go to? I think it would have been better if they made a proper prequel film. Agreed.  A proper prequel could have been very cool.  Battlestar Galactica was one thing, but why would you even think of rebooting a show with a 35 year history, 10 films and 5 television series all based in the same universe?  It doesn't make sense to me.

Edited by progistoomainstream - January 22 2012 at 20:44

Liked the second movie most, but those films I have seen from the list weren't very good - have personally stuck quite fundamentally to the original 60's series.
It would have been interesting to see what they would have achieved if doing more TV series instead of motion pictures with the original actors from late 70's to 80's.

Might check the mentioned old series with new effects in the future

I have watched almost every star trek production often twice over, but I don't consider myself a trekky, mainly for my ego, otherwise it is true.

I am especially partial to Star Trek V, despite it being hated. This is probably explained by my being an atheist (so is the film really), on the one hand, and enjoying efforts at social commentary in films, despite the major failures of the film including terrible effects, plot holes, messed up breaking of universe rules, etc. It also has good humor and a good villain, plus no idiot characters like David or any leading love interest for Kirk (I don't think?) or any ugly vulcan woman character.

Besides that, I would obviously praise Wrath of Kahn, First Contact and yes, maybe IV. The other films were pretty boring, though Undiscovered Country is fair, III is fairish... Insurrection is quite dreadful, generations is similar, Nemesis is mildly entertaining but barely Trek, the new film is Nemesis but with the dead weight cut, leaving a generic 2000s, 2010s action film that throws the whole of star trek down the tubes and replaces it with a comic book style universe in the making.

Of the series, I enjoyed them all, but the original is classic. Next Generation is a bit repetitive and boring at times, but strongest overall of any of the series on many points. Deep Space Nine is entertaining, a bit too shallow at times, Voyager I have not watched for a while but I have watched every episode. It continues in the vein of Deep Space Nine, and is generally intelligent, focusing on interpersonal development and exploring human nature and our culture & values like the others. Enterprise is alittle different, and got bogged down in mundane plots and action-adventure drama, but it was high quality. Failed to develop its characters correctly, but they might have been able to do more without the pressures and the cancellation.

I hope there is a new show in the prime universe someday. The internet may open up an opportunity for shows like that again, should television be defeated at long last.

Atavachron wrote:  ^ I saw ST:V when released

For some strange reason that abbreviation reminds me of SCTV.  Loved their Farm Film Celebrity Blowup.



Edited by Slartibartfast - March 23 2012 at 04:43

The premise of IV was quite stupid, but the movie was so funny that I'll pick it anyway.