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Mr ProgFreak View Drop Down
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2011 at 13:00
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


 
I rate on Gnosis2000 and it's recommended not to rate higher than 11 (out of a piossible 15) before a few months after discovering the album, just to avoid the novelty factor ... you can always go back to change your rating later if you feel you've evolved in your appreciation.


[shameless_plug]You can also rate at Progfreak.com - there you can, in addition to the rating, specify how familiar you are with the album.[/shameless_plug]


I don't think that this is a good idea. If everyone did that - give the album a lower rating if for example they only listened to it once - you could never be sure of what the ratings mean. Obviously many people will fail to return to correct their rating later on.

I think that even without an elaborate system of correction mechanisms and instructions it doesn't hurt if people, when blown away by an album at first listen, give it a 5/5, 10/10 or 15/15. If they had that kind of experience, that's what the rating should reflect. If they change their mind a few months later - who is to say that that rating will be more accurate? I'm sure that it often is, but sometimes people also grow tired of stuff, or lose interest in styles. There are obviously many factors here, and IMO the best strategy is to simply take every rating with a grain of salt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2011 at 16:43
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I could give my opinion on this, but I want something in return.
 
 How about a kick in the azz?LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2011 at 09:03
Personally, I think there's two factors at work here.

1: Motivation to buy new. If you think about it, who are the people most likely to rush out and grab a band's latest release as soon as it comes out? The people who are already fans of that particular group, of course! And so it's only natural that their reviews will tend towards the higher ratings - well, unless a band tries out a different approach with a new album which alienates a large proportion of their existing fanbase, which does happen, but I don't think it happens so often as to throw the trend off.

2: Motivation to review. It's always easier to push yourself to write glowing praise of an album you really, really love - the urge to share the joy with people is a powerful one. (Likewise, if you seriously dislike an album that could also be a good motivator to warn the world about it...) It's a bit harder to motivate yourself to review an album you're only lukewarm about or which you consider to be OK but not especially praiseworthy or horrible. So in general people are a bit more likely to review albums they want to rave or curse about than albums they don't particularly care about.

When you take those two factors and put them together, the people reviewing albums when they are newly released are disproportionately likely to be folk who a) like the band in question and were looking forward to the release and b) formed a fairly immediate opinion about the album rather than being unsure and wanting to give it a few more listens before reviewing. So it's only natural that new releases get good reviews and then get harsher criticism later on.

Personally, I think my 5-star ratings are a bit high at the moment, but they're skewed a bit because at the moment I'm doing a project of going through my music collection in chronological order and reviewing *everything* - which means that the albums I'm reviewing now will tend to be the 1960s-early 1970s albums which have well and truly stood the test of time. I anticipate my proportion of 5-stars will go down over time as I get to more recent albums which perhaps are a bit more imitative and a bit less innovative.

What I think might help is a rule that an album can't appear on the top 100 lists until at least 6 months after its release date; I think that's a fair amount of time to let the initial wave of enthusiasm die down and get some input from cooler heads.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2011 at 05:23
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

 
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


 
I rate on Gnosis2000 and it's recommended not to rate higher than 11 (out of a piossible 15) before a few months after discovering the album, just to avoid the novelty factor ... you can always go back to change your rating later if you feel you've evolved in your appreciation.


[shameless_plug]You can also rate at Progfreak.com - there you can, in addition to the rating, specify how familiar you are with the album.[/shameless_plug]

 
I'd expected no less from you, actuallyLOL
 
good ol'MikeWink
 
 
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

I don't think that this is a good idea. If everyone did that - give the album a lower rating if for example they only listened to it once - you could never be sure of what the ratings mean. Obviously many people will fail to return to correct their rating later on.

I think that even without an elaborate system of correction mechanisms and instructions it doesn't hurt if people, when blown away by an album at first listen, give it a 5/5, 10/10 or 15/15. If they had that kind of experience, that's what the rating should reflect. If they change their mind a few months later - who is to say that that rating will be more accurate? I'm sure that it often is, but sometimes people also grow tired of stuff, or lose interest in styles. There are obviously many factors here, and IMO the best strategy is to simply take every rating with a grain of salt.
 
actually the Gnosis project is counting very much on actualization of ratings : it's a fairly closed circle (roughly 100  highly-committed slightly RIO-slanted raters able to rate at least 2500 albums) that go back to re-rate once they done explorations on a given artiste
 
despite the closed amount of raters, the ovrall ratings (three types of averages available - including a standard deviation - and very recently a tagging featured added) constantly change, and that's actually interesting - despite the site not having a memory to keep track of the evolution of the ratings (it might be quite interesting to monitor the rating updates, especially with new releases!!).
 
 
Well, I've been blown away at first listen on some albums in a given context (at friends or in a store), but NEVER managed to recapture the feelings afterwards. It's precisely the repeated listens that will give a more accurate feeling and rating... But it's also the motivation or wear & tear of time that ensures the "perenity"  (all things considered, uh??) of the rating
 
Obviously!!! never take a rating of a review for more than just indication
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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