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maani
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Topic: Member Ages Posted: May 13 2004 at 21:38 |
First, let me thank everyone who has "registered" in our age poll. We will keep it open for a while to see whether it fluctuates in the future. However, I wanted to share the results thus far, and make some general observations for comment or discussion.
The largest group by far (28%) is the 15-20 group. The second largest (19%) is the 40-45 group. Tying for third (11%) are the 20-25 and 50-55 groups.
I would guess that the reason that the 15-20 group is largest is two-fold: (i) they are the most computer-savvy (or at very least the heaviest computer users), and are thus most likely to find and participate in sites like this, and (ii) they are the group that is most into current neo-prog, such as Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Marillion, and some of the "deeper" European prog bands.
Similarly, I would guess that the 40-45 group is second largest primarily because they are the group that was the same age (15-20) at the time that the "seminal" prog-rock groups emerged (King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant et al).
Any suggestions as to why the 20-25 and 50-55 groups tied for third?
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richardh
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 02:24 |
Good to see lots of 'young uns' into good music
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richardh
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 02:25 |
richardh wrote:
Good to see lots of 'young uns' into good music |
I'm not talking about myself of course
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Velvetclown
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 02:31 |
Yes richardh I agree, there´s hope for the future yet !
" Any suggestions as to why the 20-25 and 50-55 groups tied for third?"
Must be that these two groups contains all of the goodlooking Progheads.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 05:52 |
Alas as the representative old fart here at 55+ - I can't be the only one - I would guess the suggestions made above for specific demographic(?) groups providing the larger populations make sense.
There is that element of expendable income and those in age groups that have more of it, i.e. without the ties of marriage and kids, and those of us who have come out of the other side, 20 or so years later. I know through my 30's it was difficult to keep in touch with the music (no internet, and the media so anti-prog), and combined with less expedable income.... However, I guess I may be an exception since I have been just about able to maintain my interest in popular music from around 1960 to now - many others just get out of touch. With the availability of internet resources in the last 10 years and with an excellent prog rock specialist shop 15 miles away (which will play albums from the last 35 years, before buying), I have been able to catch up with a lot of what I missed/never knew existed or couldn't afford before. As some of you know I've long hosted a radio show that features jazz rock, prog rock etc. and I often have phone calls, e.mails etc. from folks clearly in their 40's, asking: is this music still and where can I buy it (the rest of media have a lot to answer for non- or selective communication).
Finally point: I was 14 when the Beatles appeared, 18 when the psychedelia music and the British blues boom started, 20 -21 when the first prog albums were released, so I am a tad surprised that a few more old foogies aren't here.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 06:18 |
Well I´m one of the Geriatric crowd, but I´m still cute
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 07:23 |
>Well I´m one of the Geriatric crowd, but I´m still cute
Is that because you've found a good way of shining-up a bald pate - or found the right shade of hair dye to highlight the grey?
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ShrinkingViolet
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 08:48 |
great to see fellow young ppl into prog..although here in the u.k its a rare site! occassionaly you see some scattered at gigs ..last night i was seeing the muffin men , zappa tribute and there were a few young guys there although the sad thing is theres not enough fellow chicks into prog let alone young chicks .
more youngs chicks needed!!! <-- Avatar=Me!
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diddy
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 08:56 |
ShrinkingViolet wrote:
great to see fellow young ppl into prog..although here in the u.k its a rare site! occassionaly you see some scattered at gigs ..last night i was seeing the muffin men , zappa tribute and there were a few young guys there although the sad thing is theres not enough fellow chicks into prog let alone young chicks .
more youngs chicks needed!!! <-- Avatar=Moi
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Yes, I really don't know much females who are into prog...Hmmm the more I'm thinking about it the more I get the feeling that I know NO female that loves Prog ...good to see that there are at least a few (now two I think) females here...
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Velvetclown
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 09:00 |
DICK: Nope I´ll go with the Ratgrey ala mode for instant pleasure still not bald, but darn I´m BOLD
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 11:03 |
ShrinkingViolet wrote:
..last night i was seeing the muffin men , zappa tribute |
I'm jealous - it's been a good couple of years since I've seen those guys!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 12:47 |
Talking Zappa tributes, should check out John Etheridge's Zappatistas album (yes thats the Soft Machine John Etheridge), and Phil Manzanera is a guest there too. Alas Etheridge only ocasionally does the Zappatistas in gigs around the UK.
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bityear
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 16:54 |
Diddy wrote:
Yes, I really don't know much females who are into prog...Hmmm the more I'm thinking about it the more I get the feeling that I know NO female that loves Prog ...good to see that there are at least a few (now two I think) females here... |
I know a girl who likes Ayreon...but not anything else. I also met a girl who's, like, 14 on the net, and found out that she was a Genesis/King Crimson/Peter Gabriel fan. But, that's just two in a dozen, or whatever you say. Not too many anyway.
myself, I'm one of those kids meant to listen to neo-prog..the odd thing is that I was always more into the classic prog, I didn't listen at all to neo-prog until last autumn, when I made a few new friends who got me into it.
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Joren
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 13:41 |
You just need to meet the right people! I've got two female friends and they both like proggressive rock! They already knew some prog (Pink Floyd) and I introduced them to Jethro Tull.. they both love it! Well, they're not just ordinary.. normal girls (HEY, THEY'RE MY FRIENDS!) and they're very intelligent... but don't say progressive rock is nothing for girls! O, and they both like Zappa too!!!
And then there's this girl who listens to rock 'n' roll and stuff like Britney Spears.. .. I gave her Hero And Heroine by The Strawbs and she loved it!
So, how come the women YOU know don't like prog...
is it my male charm?
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Velvetclown
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 14:26 |
Must be
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Aquarius
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 15:29 |
People aged 20-25 are too busy building their careers, going out to lounge bars, trying to stay hip (prog is not!), trying to get into the right relationship etc.
People aged 50-55 have their own opinions on prog. They are not looking for discussion groups. To most only early 70s prog is sacred. Besides they are all busy excercising to keep fit and in shape and to be the perfect grandparents.
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diddy
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 15:45 |
Aquarius wrote:
People aged 20-25 are too busy building their careers, going out to lounge bars, trying to stay hip (prog is not!), trying to get into the right relationship etc. |
Hmmm, possible BUT I'm 19 now and will be 20 in November and the last thing I care about is to stay hip...that's something that's not necessary for me, quite the contrary, I thing most people trying hard to be hip are, or at least behave, rediculous...
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progchain
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 17:12 |
In space no time no age no space (Battiato's song...)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 18:58 |
People aged 50-55 have their own opinions on prog. They are not looking for discussion groups. To most only early 70s prog is sacred. |
Not sure about that, the problem with people 50-55 is that they are not used to deal with PC's remember they were 35 + when the computer reached the houses of the common citizen, by that age they all had ended their careers so a big group never had the real need to learn. Rven if some of them had to learn to use it, they probably hate it, because it's not a part of their lives.
People in their late 30's and early 40's are the first generatiopn that really had use the PC to survive, and most of us enjoy it.
I'll be 40 next August, but I'm sure in 15 years you'll still see me in forums and as me, thousands of persons of my age will also.
Iván
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diddy
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 19:04 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
People aged 50-55 have their own opinions on prog. They are not looking for discussion groups. To most only early 70s prog is sacred. |
Not sure about that, the problem with people 50-55 is that they are not used to deal with PC's remember they were 35 + when the computer reached the houses of the common citizen, by that age they all had ended their careers so a big group never had the real need to learn. Rven if some of them had to learn to use it, they probably hate it, because it's not a part of their lives.
People in their late 30's and early 40's are the first generatiopn that really had use the PC to survive, and most of us enjoy it.
I'll be 40 next August, but I'm sure in 15 years you'll still see me in forums and as me, thousands of persons of my age will also.
Iván
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good point, sounds logical...
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