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Logan
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Topic: 1982, 83 and 85: Art Zoyd's and Asia's albums Posted: April 21 2011 at 16:33 |
An odd pairing music-wise, but both groups serendipitously start with A, both were very active in the 80's, and continued to be active in the 90's and 00's, and.... I have chosen the Art Zoyd albums that sequentially pair off with Asia's first three albums. Some might lament leaving out Art Zoyd's, I think, fantastic earlier albums, but I wanted to stick with the years for a certain sequential symmetry (Asia's first three vs.AZ's 4th,5th, and 6th or 5th, 6th, and 7th albums depending upon if you count the Symphonie Pour le Jour remake).
You don't have to compare bands to make a choice, and you only have to know one album to vote. Just go with the album you know and like the most, or you can even make a judgment based on music samples. I love all of those Zoyd albums, but will go with Les Espaces Inquiets which is one of my particular faves. Phase IV
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Syzygy
SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Zeuhl/RIO Specialist
Art Zoyd's fourth album remains their strongest offering to date, and also marks the end of
their original RIO chamber rock sound. Shortly after this album they were joined by
keyboard player Patricia Diallo, and elements of contemporary minimalism (Steve Reich,
Philip Glass) were incorporated into their sound. The sound of this double album is
generally closer to contemporary classical than to rock - there is no drum kit (although a lot
of percussion can be heard in places) and the only element anchoring it to prog is Thierry
Zaboitzeff's rumbling bass guitar. Despite this, the music has a real rhythmic drive (mostly
propelled by the piano) and the multi instrumental abilities of the band mean that there is a
varied sonic pallette which occasionally sounds like a full orchestra. There are also
occasional outbursts of demented vocals that recall some of Magma's wilder moments.
For all their formidable abilities as instrumentalists and composers, Art Zoyd's music has always been just a bit too cold and intellectual to fully engage the listener - many of their pieces were conceived as soundtracks to multimedia events or installations, and taken out of context can seem a little lifeless. The music is also very carefully scored most of the time, but with none of the space for improvisation or interpretation that was usually left by perfectionists like Frank Zappa and Christian Vander. Leaving those reservations aside, it's hard to think of any other band who have patrolled the border between contemporary avant garde and rock music in such a determined and single minded fashion. The fact that they have continued to explore this singular musical territory for over 30 years is even more impressive. Recommended for those times when you want something to engage the intellect and by pass the feet altogether.
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Review by Guillermo PROG REVIEWER
In the eighties times and music have changed. To survive, many prog bands and musicians
had to listen to record label executives to continue working. So, Asia was one of the new
bands, a supergroup, which had to make compromises to record albums. One of these
compromises was to record an album with a mixture of pop and prog rock. So, this first
album was recorded with both markets in mind: the long time prog fans and the pop fans (a
new market to conquest). And the results of this album are very good. This album still has
some progressive arrangements. It seems that Steve Howe was really "inspired" in this
album. His guitar work is superb. Carl Palmer was playing very good too. John Wetton had
a great voice and played his bass good. Geoff Downes brought his pop influence from The
Buggles to this album, and his keyboards shine too. I liked this album very much when it was
released, and now that I have the CD I still like it very much. In 1982 I was 17 years old, I
was in High School and I played drums in an amateur band, and I also bought an Asia t-shirt
with the cover of this album printed in it and I went to play some gigs with this t-shirt. I was
a teenager then, and I smile to those years. Asia was part of those years and it brings me
good memories.As this album is not entirely progressive, it is not essential for extreme
progressive fans, but it is a good choice for people who understand neessary changes in
music styles to keep music alive.
Send comments to Guillermo (BETA) | Report this review (#26751) | Review Permalink Posted Thursday, September 09, 2004 PROG REVIEWER
Art Zoyd was/is one of the better groups in Avant-Prog. One of the greatest things to come out
of France. They are similar in sound to Univers Zero but are generally more eclectic and weird.
They formed in 1968 and originally were influenced by the Mothers Of Invention and Captain
Beefheart. The first album was self-released in 1976. This is Zoyd's fifth album(not including
the 1980 remake of the debut).
Leave it to Art Zoyd to start one of their albums with the most avant song on it. The first "Legendes" song, subtitled "La Foret Qui Avance", is a strange and mysterious piece. It's mostly strange noises and creepy voices whispering. The only real music here is the strings which come and go. One of the reasons I like this album so much, despite the odd beginning, is that it has two of my favourite AZ songs here: "Ceremonie" and "Migrations". Those two songs are really great prog music for 1983; they make Neo-Prog sound like Duran Duran in comparison. Of course with Duran Duran we're talking about a completely different "Rio". "Ceremonie"(which you can listen to on PA) begins with dramatic organ before going into the main part of the song. Simple but effective bass playing with jangly acoustic guitar and some percussion. Then there is some great trumpet before some almost metal-like screeching from electric guitar. The end of the song is very avant though, with some weird Magma-esque vocals. "Migrations" is a song that every progger should hear at least once in their life. This song has some great bass from Thierry Zaboitzeff(why isn't he on PA yet?). About 4 minutes in there is a great section with bass and a repeated piano part. Eventually we get another piano playing over top with viola, then some organ before it goes back again. This leads to a dissonant section with trumpet and more organ. Around 7 1/2 minutes we get a drum machine pattern with some very nice piano playing. Overdubbed trumpets appear. Later we get a very bizarre sound that goes back and forth in the left and right channels. I can only describe it as a cross between hearing a train go by and a bowling ball knocking over pins. Of the three "Images" songs, "Cortege Des Officiels" is the most interesting. The last song and second "Legendes" piece, "La Bruit Du Fer", has some programmed drumming which almost sounds like the real thing. The bass part is unique sounding; this reminds me of a song that Einsturzende Neubauten did in the 90s. Art Zoyd are one of the only "rock" groups without a drummer. Beginning on this album they use drum machines and synths. Previously they were an almost acoustic group with electric bass and occasionally electric guitar and electric piano. After this album they dove headfirst into synths and programming, but not quite abandoning the violins and trumpet just yet. Art Zoyd is a group that should be more known. It doesn't help that their music is expensive. Les Espaces Inquits is not their most consistent album but has some of the best music they did. For 1983 this is very heady and adventurous stuff. 4 stars.
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This record is slightly sentimental, perfect for the young intellectual
teenagers we were, dreaming of some comprehensive girls and some good
jobs to do as a living. When I listen again to this nowadays, I always
think about the 80's, recalling how enthusiastic we were about our
future! Actually when you listen to the melodic and modern epic
keyboards, to the catchy and addictive lead & backing vocals, to the
melodic electric guitars and the modest drums, you just say to
yourself: "it was a privilege for us to have such a great record to
wholeheartedly listen". This record was like a model, it was truly
appreciated since we were beginning to meet girls. It was not rare to
notice many garage bands try to play their songs. In order of
comparison, let's mention the prog band Pallas sounds a bit like them.
All the instruments on Alpha form a solid ensemble, and you just listen
to the music as a whole. One may qualify this album as being accessible,
and the songs are not extremely progressive. The music is rather
simple, barely progressive, and definitely not complex.
Rating: 4.5 stars
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Mellotron Storm
PROG REVIEWER
4.5 stars.This was released as a double album back in 1985,and was the
music for Roland Petit's ballet called "The Marriage Of
Heaven And Hell".It's hard to believe this was used as music for a
ballet,although Petit was known for his theatrical productions.He
apparently saw ART ZOYD on television and so contacted them about doing
this.I must say i feel very fortunate to have this cd as it
is the last of their chamber music period before they went heavily into
electronics.This is the only one of their early period that is not
out of print yet,and it's one of their best.I got my copy at "Wayside
Music".What's it sound like ? Well my favourite place to listen to
music is in my truck on my hour drive to and from work. I listen to the
longer cds like this on my way home because i can take my time
and go the long way.I've been listening to this all week at work and one
customer gave me a hard time about it,saying i should have
Christmas music on instead of this depressing stuff,i decided to let him
live.So tonight on the way home in the dark i had a careful
listen to this recording.The closest reference in my opinion is UNIVERS
ZERO,in that this is very intense and dark.This is more
minimilstic and experimental but every bit as good,in fact i like it
better than UNIVERS ZERO's early works.
"Sortie 134(Part 1)" opens with a lot of tension as dual piano melodies
and trumpet lead the way before it calms down and we can
hear children laughing.Some violin and piano before a full sound comes
back 3 minutes in that comes and goes.A change before 6
minutes as we get lots of percussion and piano.Vocal melodies before 8
minutes.This is intense!Great track ! It ends with children
laughing again as it blends into "Cryogenese(Reve Artificiel)".The sound
of a metronome ticking can be heard as trumpet blasts and
piano comes in.A change 3 minutes in as the metronome stops and the
trumpet and piano continue.Again this is so intense.Another
change 5 minutes in as metronome returns with piano.I'm reminded of
UNIVERS ZERO 6 1/2 minutes in.Trumpet a minute
later.Actually an outbreak of trumpet 9 1/2 minutes in goes on for a
minute.It becomes so intense and unrelenting.Another change
14 1/2 minutes in as some strange sounds replace the trumpet.Sounds like
synths 16 1/2 minutes in as the piano stops.What a ride
that was. "Io 1" features sax melodies that are at time dissonant. "Io
2" is eerie and haunting.A cool rhythm with sax comes in that
stops and starts.I like this one. "Io 3" opens with almost a pulsating
sound as violin comes in.It stops and then continues but this time
piano is added.It stops again and restarts.This part is kind of
spooky.Vocal melodies join 4 minutes in. "Mouvance 2" incorporates
these wonderful piano melodies.A full sound before 3 minutes. "Mouvance
1" features more piano but it's more aggressive.Trumpet
comes in tastefully as we again have two pianos being played.The
intensity is removed as the song settles down.Violin comes in as
piano quietly plays on. "Cryogenese(Les Portes Du Futur)" opens with
outbursts of piano.Percussion comes and goes.Organ and
trumpet 1 1/2 minutes in.The outbreaks come back.Violin 3 1/2 minutes
in.Vocal sounds.Metronome comes in.Organ 7 minutes in.The
rest of the song is fantastic ! One of the best part of the album.It has
more of a melody with trumpet blasts,piano and organ. "Sortie
134(Part 2)" has a good beat, and the children laughing are back.Vocal
melodies and speaking as well.Great ending to this album.
When i finished listening to this i thought to myself "Was that just a
bad dream i had ?" ART ZOYD have just been put near the top of
my favourite Rio-prog band list.Get this record !!
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Gooner
PROG REVIEWER
I get a kick out of some reviewers saying ASIA went *too commercial* on their excellent _Astra_ album in
1985. This is an underrated gem with some really great hard rock songs and fine ballads. Too
commercial? ASIA were commercial...isn't that a no brainer? But, what we have here is a solid album -
even without the great Steve Howe playing guitar. This is mostly a trio album by Wetton, Downes &
Palmer with Mandy Meyer(of Krokus) contributing his guitar colourings and rhythms. Palmer plays it solid
behind the kit, nothing too flashy but drives the opener _Go_. _Voice Of America_ has some excellent
vocals, some of the best ASIA harmonies put on tape. If you enjoy John Wetton's voice, this is some his
best singing, especially the closer _After The War_. 1985 was a pretty depressing year for music, really.
I mean, Twisted Sister were the hit and Poison were just about to let loose in destroying the ozone layer
and the airwaves with their acid washed jeans and hairspray ditties. Let's keep things in perspective. If
this were released today with the compressed hot mic world of Britneys and Beyonces, this would stick out
like a sore thumb on the airwaves. Critics would rave at its harmonies and driving hard rock and it might
even make the top 10. ASIA's _Astra_ was ahead of its time and pretty much an album on an island in
1985, right up there was Rush's Power Windows and would appeal the fans of neo prog bands like PALLAS,
PENDRAGON and CASTANARC. ASIA's _Astra_ rocks as hard(maybe harder) as the debut, but doesn't
get quite as sappy as _Alpha_. It sounds almost as though it were their follow-up to the debut. I surmise
this album didn't get the attention it deserved because there was no tour to support it. That's too bad
because they could've done a smash up job with a one-two punch on a live bill with Saga, Rush or
Marillion. Ignore the one star ratings here. ASIA's _Astra_ should at least garner 2 stars at its worst, and
3.5 to 4 stars at its best making it a *good* album. Worth another try if you missed it the first time around.
_Astra_would also appeal to fans of the Joe Lynn Turner-era of Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow and Midge
Ure-era Ultravox. Can you call ASIA's _Astra_ prog.rock? Not likely. But it's a great fusion of hard rock
and New Wave. That in itself make this release *progressive* and a fine addition to any listener's
collection with an open mind and appreciation for solid songcraft
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 16:35 |
Phase IV
Also, lol Asia |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 16:38 |
Asia debut.
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Logan
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 21:37 |
If I get your continental drift, Asia the band (not the Asian continent) is laugh-out-loud incontinent in your pants funny. Okay, that was a very forced pun, not funny, and I don't really mean to take the piss. By the way, I wonder if some wag will claim that Art Zoyd is misnamed because the group never really put the art in Zoyd. |
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Padraic
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Posted: April 21 2011 at 21:47 |
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Logan
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Posted: April 22 2011 at 10:16 |
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I haven't heard thee album in over twenty years I would reckon, and just once without really paying attention. It was a memorable night which is why I rememeber the album being on (I have heard some of the hits subsequently). The eviews, including yours, have been interesting reading. I chose positive reviews before that I thought would work well together (the juxtaposition of Art Zoyd and Asia reviews), but would like to highlight more, including yours. That Asia album is very popular in terms of reviews and ratings at PA (198 ratings -- compare to 15 ratings for the Art Zoyd album I voted for and only three reviews). ASIA - Asia Snow Dog Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team What a stellar line up and what a great debut for Asia. How best t to describe the music on this album? I'd say prog lite AOR, showing that a British band can do it better than the template made by famous American AOR bands like Boston etc. First we have the packaging, and what a wonderful thing it is to behold, a brand new Dean logo and new cover art. The whole thing is very eye catching with the Asia Logo probably being his best thing since he created his "Yes" one. Starting procedures we have "Heat of the Moment" which is pretty straightforward rock tune. Sole Survivor is another stand out with a nice instrumental section within. In fact all the tracks are excellent, but the proggiest are probably "Time Again" and "Wildest Dreams" both, especially the latter having exceptional drumming by Palmer. In fact the whole band plays very well throughout and I must make special note of Howe's guitar playing. He just makes that guitar soar sometimes, makes you feel good inside. When I first bought this album I couldn't stop playing it, I felt it was that good, but unfortunately the second album failed to deliver in the same way... But that is another story! Snow Dog |
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ART ZOYD - Phase IV Sean Trane Special Collaborator Prog-Folk Specialist This fourth album is a double vinyl and might just be the cornerstone of AZ's career. Obviously named after its chronological order, this album is reversing the trend that was letting Zaboitzeff becoming an equal partner in composition time, with Hourbette taking the lion's share here. Most notably line-up change is Thierry Willems replacing Patricia Dallio on piano. The percussion are handled by the wind players Soarez and Pietton, and for the first time in two records, no guest from Univers Zero. What to say about this album except that it is yet another typical AZ album so far and whatever you have found in previous albums, you will find roughly the same. Etat D'Urgence (penned by Zaboitzeff) is one strong long epic an ever-changing and dense composition with dronal tones. Most of the rest of the (shorter) tracks on the first disc (bar two) are all from Hourbette and are definitely darker, more enigmatic, so the balance is somewhat respected. The second disc however is an almost entirely Hourbette affair, but it is well in the line of the first disc, the two long tracks Chemin De Lumière and La Nuit being the highlights. Not any better (or worse than the previous album or the following two), Phase IV is an excellent RIO-Zeuhl record, but just one more to add to the pack, but then again, this kind of classical music is never easy on the nerves and to listen to both disc at a time would actually be an exploit for almost the whole planet including progressive music minded intellectuals. Although impressive, it is difficult to recommend this album, especially if you mean to listen to it as a whole album at once.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It''s quite something to see just how divided are on Asia's debut (looking through the reviews at PA). The Art Zoyd album I voted for has a total of three reviews, the earliest review gives it a two, the next a three (Sean Trane), and the following a four, so at least it's getting better rated over time. Anyway, for those that don't know from any of these albums, here are some quite short youtube clips. I would have loved to have Art Zoyd's "Migrations"" or "Legendes..." but it's not available without me uploading it. The Art Zoyd vid is just an excerpt of a considerably longer piece which is available for streaming at PA's Art Zoyd page (Ceremonie): Edited by Logan - April 22 2011 at 10:19 |
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zravkapt
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Posted: April 22 2011 at 15:13 |
I voted Les Espaces Inquiets and would have loved to have posted a "Migrations" vid; one of their best songs, IMO.
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Logan
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Posted: April 22 2011 at 16:13 |
I adore Migrations, and really wanted to post that one in particular. When I can, perhaps I'll try to create a proper music video for it for youtube purposes (or at least an excerpt to avoid certain copyright issues). |
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