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Gerinski 
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 Posted: March 22 2011 at 01:27 |
 thehallway wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
Not for real live, but at least in video it should be possible, in the near future if not already, to recreate digitally a concert of Yes with Moraz, or the tour of The Lamb, not seeing them as they are now old farts but as it actually was back then, and showing every detail of their virtuoso playing. Some of the recent digital animation movies or games are already very close to looking convincingly realistic.
Too bad that prog will probably never have a big enough public to justify the investment in such a production.
I just hope that some of these young digital animation wonderboys turns out to be a prog fan and he does it for his hobby not for the money.
Think of what we could enjoy in full current video quality...
It's gonna be a few more years but it's not unconceivable to render a real live concert by holograms instead of the real musicians.
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You can digitally create the visual but what about the sound? The music? |
Oeps, forgot that small detail  of course the music should come from some existing live recording from the time. Nah, I don't think anything digitally generated would be really interesting anyway.
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crickleymal
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 10:40 |
Up to a point I don't think a band necessarily has to give its fans exactly what they want. Anyone's music evolves, if you don't like what you hear, don't buy the music. Of course that is easier nowadays with the internet, I can remember being really disappointed with Steve Hillage's Open for instance.
On the other hand there does have to be some sort of dialogue, more especially with live performances I guess.
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Rusted and ropy.
Dog-eared old copy.
Vintage and classic,
or just plain Jurassic:
all words to describe me.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 10:52 |
Do prog bands owe anything to their fans?
No. Just as fans don't owe anything to the bands. You buy the albums you like, and if the band goes in a direction you don't care for, you stop buying their albums. There are many bands over the years I have stopped listening to because of musical choices they made or a change in listening habits on my part. Take for instance, when the Rolling Stones went disco, or Genesis went pop. Bands evolve, we evolve. Sometimes we take the same path, but just as often those paths diverge and we go our separate ways.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 10:57 |
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BaldJean
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 18:25 |
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as Bill Bruford once put it: "we play our music. the audience can worry about themselves"
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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MillsLayne
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 19:31 |
I feel that when artists continue to put out music for us to enjoy, that's their repayment to us. Now, whether we enjoy the new material or not is our problem. 
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twosteves
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 21:35 |
BaldJean wrote:
as Bill Bruford once put it: "we play our music. the audience can worry about themselves"
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Love Bill and the quote---typical Bill---a guy who never really worried about money but was all about the music---Unfortunately, a group like Yes (according to Jon--need to tour because "they are broke") I don't think that's true of Steve but Chris probably needs to work----strangely enough ,giving fans what they want LIVE---like a Relayer tour with Moraz would give the fans what they want AND make lot's of money---so playing good music, giving the fans what they want and making money can all go hand in hand.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 06:41 |
A 5% cashback bonus. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Dean
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 06:45 |
Bogof 
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What?
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 08:52 |
Snow Dog wrote:
richardh wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Actually ELP owes me $30 for such a shambolic album as 'In The Hot Seat'... had to post that. |
The depression it caused me when I first heard it and the crashing horrible realisation that my heroes had nothing left in the artistic bank greatly overshadowed any actual monetary loss as far as I was concerned |
That is hardly fair. They couldn't make the album they wanted too. Their music was raped and brutalised by the company and the producer. They don't even play on all of it. |
Why do ELP constantly bow down to marketing producers then if they are so creative. they never play anyhtoing on these poor albums anyway showing they hate the music. Why would you be involved with something that you dont even like? In The Hot Seat is abominable. Emerson disappears, and Lake sounds bored, Palmer is by the numbers and half the musicians are not evern ELP. What a shambles!
NOw onto other matters.
Somneone mentioned VDGG? I suppose they were implying they were no good anymore
Have a listen to their new release - they inject passions, heart and their life's blood into that - they never bowed down to record labels and still create music they love and the fans wont be disappointed. Hammill is still a creative visionary, the music is still dynamic and edgey. VDGG proved you can still create this music at an older age.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 08:54 |
BaldJean wrote:
as Bill Bruford once put it: "we play our music. the audience can worry about themselves" |
Bruford never seems to worry about a fan base or popularity but thats what makes him so endearing - the music is his art and he plays the way he feels not to please anyone but himself, but of course in doing so he pleases so many that are sick of those conforming drummers who play by the numbers.
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Gerinski
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 14:16 |
Basically no, everyone is free to play what he wants and to buy or listen to what he wants. But the question is far from silly, if you are in any business you probably know that frequently you have to reward loyal customers. Airlines do so by giving you miles, fuel stations and supermarkets by giving you a loyalty card which entitles you to discounts, etc etc. Of course art is not potatoes but there's a point in rewarding who helped you become successful.
But the question is also tricky, play what the fans want? which fans?
That's probably what Phil Collins thought, "I seem to have many more fans who want me to play mainstream so let's go that way (and of course I will also make much more money)".
But you and I would have rather have him keeping Brand-X alive, don't we?
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ferush
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 15:21 |
 May be the continued compromising for innovation first and then for fame.
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Harry Hood
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Posted: March 26 2011 at 01:13 |
If anything, I feel prog fans owe a lot more to the bands than what we give them.
Not entirely monetarily speaking. While certainly a factor, I think it's more important that the fans, if they truly love the music, should do their part to give bands the love and attention they truly deserve. Even simple things like wearing a t-shirt in public and bringing up the bands in discussion does a lot.
And of course this website does a lot to this end. But I see a lot of negativity on this website and others like it. What a lot of people don't realize is that many of the aritsts we admire actually read these comments and can take them very personally, sometimes even to the detriment of the music itself. They deserve better than that.
After all, these artists have provided us with thousands of hours of entertainment. More than that, many of us have come to know friends and loved ones through discovering this music. It has in various ways enriched our lives, inspired us, comforted us in our weakest moments. No, they don't owe us anything, their music gives us so much. We should never take that for granted.
Edited by Harry Hood - March 26 2011 at 01:15
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tdfloyd
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Posted: April 07 2011 at 20:30 |
As much as we the fans want more, Dean said it perfectly, "... and we don't owe them anything either. They got paid, we got the goods, transaction complete."
...Of course that didn't stop me from wanting another Phaedra when Tangerine Dream came out with Rockoon. But then if they released their 25 version of Phaedra, the fans would be mad then too.
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