What was the first Genesis album you heard?

Alitare wrote: juandhaltrich wrote: i dont like his opinion.. i dont agree with his opinion. and he's not wrong.  the main point of my argument was that, either if he CANT appreciate this music ('cause he doesnt GET IT), or if he just has a very different taste in music, in either case i dont understand WHAT he's doing writing in this forum, spending time in this website. 'cause it's clearly that he doesnt like this, whatever the reason might be. Get this, pal, I f**king HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE Early Genesis, later Genesis, most Genesis in general, and especially Nursery Cryme, Wind and Wuthering, Trespass, And Then There Were Three, and a Trick of the Tale. I hate all these records with an immense passion. I love Selling England by the Pound. It was the very first Genesis album I heard, and it set me up for an unfathomable disappointment. Hell, I'd take Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte or Peter Gabriel's Untitled III "Melt" (or Phil Collins' No Jacket Required, a-hyuck) over any standard Genesis album. Comparing Foxtrot to Selling England sickens me. I'm bored to tears by nearly every album they released (I liked Lamb somewhat). I never listen to them, and I f**king detest Tony Banks' synthwork. And ya know what? I'm even harsher toward Yes. They only have a couple albums I like (Close to the Edge, Fragile), and everything else either bores me to tears or goes on forever. And Emerson, Lake, and Palmer? God, they might be one of my least favorite 'classic' prog acts (just a little bit above Rush). But Selling England by the Pound? Yeah, I dig that one.

juandhaltrich wrote: Alitare wrote: juandhaltrich wrote: i dont like his opinion.. i dont agree with his opinion. and he's not wrong.  the main point of my argument was that, either if he CANT appreciate this music ('cause he doesnt GET IT), or if he just has a very different taste in music, in either case i dont understand WHAT he's doing writing in this forum, spending time in this website. 'cause it's clearly that he doesnt like this, whatever the reason might be. Get this, pal, I f**king HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE Early Genesis, later Genesis, most Genesis in general, and especially Nursery Cryme, Wind and Wuthering, Trespass, And Then There Were Three, and a Trick of the Tale. I hate all these records with an immense passion. I love Selling England by the Pound. It was the very first Genesis album I heard, and it set me up for an unfathomable disappointment. Hell, I'd take Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte or Peter Gabriel's Untitled III "Melt" (or Phil Collins' No Jacket Required, a-hyuck) over any standard Genesis album. Comparing Foxtrot to Selling England sickens me. I'm bored to tears by nearly every album they released (I liked Lamb somewhat). I never listen to them, and I f**king detest Tony Banks' synthwork. And ya know what? I'm even harsher toward Yes. They only have a couple albums I like (Close to the Edge, Fragile), and everything else either bores me to tears or goes on forever. And Emerson, Lake, and Palmer? God, they might be one of my least favorite 'classic' prog acts (just a little bit above Rush). But Selling England by the Pound? Yeah, I dig that one. how can you hate SO MUCH nursery cryme, and yet love SEBTP!!?

Isn't it clear?  He loves "More Fool Me". 

^ Thanks.  Yes, the thread has deteriorated, but Alitare wants to play.

Naw, you hit the nail on the head. If I caused this thread to deteriorate, I'm glad. f**k Genesis, f**k them nappy-headed whores. 

juandhaltrich wrote: Alitare wrote: Naw, you hit the nail on the head. If I caused this thread to deteriorate, I'm glad. f**k Genesis, f**k them nappy-headed whores.  "Prog rock is the most asinine sack of fecal matter in existence" - Robert Fripp "Prog is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche "I prog, therefore I suck" - Descartes "I f**ked my momma after killin' mah daddy" - Oedipus Ding dong the witch is dead! Which old witch!? The wicked witch! I wanna know - have you ever seen the rain? She packed my bags, preflight. Hey, if it ain't the rock and roll animal, himself. What you doin' here? Standin' on the corner. I can see that, what's in your hand? Suitcase in my hand. No sh*t! What's this? Jack is in his corset, Jane is in her vest f**kin' fa**** junkie! And me, I'm in a rock and roll band! I can SEE that! I'd still like to know if you folks think I was directing hate toward the band, or toward one individual in the thread. It was obviously the latter, but I dunno what you folks might've surmised. well, i've surmised that you're absolutely insane. now i get why you cant appreciate foxtrot, or nursery cryme, or elp's masterful discography (masterful until ' works '), or yes'.  i also surmised that you dont like prog, since you gave The Wall a 5-star rating! LOL.. just kidding, but 5 stars? a little too much i'd say. but the MOST IMPORTANT thing that i SURMISED, is that it wont credit you as a 'more intellectual' individual to write with sophisticated vocabulary. you wont be hemingway just because of that. you wanna bullsh it me, try harder. ps: tony said that he's still waiting that you show your work in a synthesizer or a mellotron to see how good you are.

juandhaltrich wrote: Alitare wrote: I gave the Wall a 5-star rating due to emotional impact, not progressive standing. I don't rate by any guidelines other than my 'heart' reaction. When I used the word 'surmised', it certainly wasn't with the intention of bullsh*tting anybody. It's a word I use in my daily course. When it comes to enjoying prog, I do find myself being attracted to certain types - King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd's career from 1971-1982, (And as I said before, I really do love Selling England by the Pound), Pain of Salvation, Devin Townsend, maudlin of the Well, Renaissance, Camel, Opeth, Comus, Riverside, Ayreon, Queensryche, Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel solo material, Van Der Graaf Generator (Peter solo, too), Death, Cynic, Vangelis, Radiohead (particularly Kid A), Jesus Christ Superstar, and the list goes on. Here's a proposed situation: Doctor: Patient, I tried saving both your legs, but due to my lack of experience, I was only able to save one of your legs. Patient: You suck! Doctor: What you said doesn't count. I'm still waiting for you to show me how good YOU are at being a doctor, mister critic. fair enough. nice variety of tastes. really, no kidding. i dont like prog metal in particular, but it's ok. and so, in reference to the last thing. im not a musician, im as talented in playing any instrument as an astrophysicist from caltech is in hitting on a girl. lol.  but you, on the other hand, were the one who was harassing banks' synthwork, so i brought up that you could show me how skilled you are in your instrument, if you play one, and so your argument against bank's work would be consistent. am i clear enough?  let me put it even clearer: you're still trying to bullsh*t me, instead of just saying ' that's true, i have no right in talking bad about a musician's work, i should, instead, criticize in a constructive way' . by the way, the 2nd line from "Doctor" does not follow the point from the previous conversation held by "Doctor" and "Patient", in a gramatically correct way.  i mean, they were having the conversation and then Doctor spoke to ME?  very wrong written.  conclusion: if you're gonna try to hit the ball back to my field, and you wanna do it with style, at least write it correctly!

Alitare wrote: juandhaltrich wrote: Alitare wrote: I gave the Wall a 5-star rating due to emotional impact, not progressive standing. I don't rate by any guidelines other than my 'heart' reaction. When I used the word 'surmised', it certainly wasn't with the intention of bullsh*tting anybody. It's a word I use in my daily course. When it comes to enjoying prog, I do find myself being attracted to certain types - King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd's career from 1971-1982, (And as I said before, I really do love Selling England by the Pound), Pain of Salvation, Devin Townsend, maudlin of the Well, Renaissance, Camel, Opeth, Comus, Riverside, Ayreon, Queensryche, Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel solo material, Van Der Graaf Generator (Peter solo, too), Death, Cynic, Vangelis, Radiohead (particularly Kid A), Jesus Christ Superstar, and the list goes on. Here's a proposed situation: Doctor: Patient, I tried saving both your legs, but due to my lack of experience, I was only able to save one of your legs. Patient: You suck! Doctor: What you said doesn't count. I'm still waiting for you to show me how good YOU are at being a doctor, mister critic. fair enough. nice variety of tastes. really, no kidding. i dont like prog metal in particular, but it's ok. and so, in reference to the last thing. im not a musician, im as talented in playing any instrument as an astrophysicist from caltech is in hitting on a girl. lol.  but you, on the other hand, were the one who was harassing banks' synthwork, so i brought up that you could show me how skilled you are in your instrument, if you play one, and so your argument against bank's work would be consistent. am i clear enough?  let me put it even clearer: you're still trying to bullsh*t me, instead of just saying ' that's true, i have no right in talking bad about a musician's work, i should, instead, criticize in a constructive way' . by the way, the 2nd line from "Doctor" does not follow the point from the previous conversation held by "Doctor" and "Patient", in a gramatically correct way.  i mean, they were having the conversation and then Doctor spoke to ME?  very wrong written.  conclusion: if you're gonna try to hit the ball back to my field, and you wanna do it with style, at least write it correctly! What are you blabbering about? The doctor was talking to the patient. By "you", the doctor was referring to the patient. My theoretical doctor was not referring to you, he was talking to the theoretical patient. He referred to the patient as 'patient', because I didn't feel like giving them names. Doctor: Patient, I tried saving both your legs, but due to my lack of experience, I was only able to save one of your legs. Patient: (To the doctor) You suck! Doctor: (To the patient) What you said doesn't count. I'm still waiting for you to show me how good YOU are at being a doctor, mister critic. What universal law says I have no RIGHT to criticize? George Carlin would have something to say about that pure, smelly hogsh*t.

[Forum managers, I promise never to hit the "quote" button again when it comes to this guy.]

Let the guy with the bullhorn have his way. 

I just have no desire to be so constantly self-revealing as you do, Alitare.  It occurs to me that others have their own lives, and probably don't wish to be bothered by hearing about my every thought and self-precious view, don't wish to answer every solipsistic thought of mine. 

I could imagine sharing what I'm convinced are my deep thoughts.  Maybe, just maybe if I should be actually, truly brilliant and have something of content to say... yes, something that elucidates, or perhaps even originates, an Idea.  Lists - which you yourself say (in your site) that you love to make - and reviews, these are fine, but only so far as they go.  But to say something, now that would make all the talk worthwhile.  But then I check myself, an adult habit of mine: Careful though; there's the need for knowledge of writing and structure sufficient to put across the ideas, once it's been decided people need so very badly to hear them.  Hmm, even then the value of those emanations would be up to others to decide, despite however much I may have managed to impress myself...  No, not for me.  But please, oh but do go on.

American Khatru wrote: Alitare wrote: juandhaltrich wrote: Alitare wrote: I gave the Wall a 5-star rating due to emotional impact, not progressive standing. I don't rate by any guidelines other than my 'heart' reaction. When I used the word 'surmised', it certainly wasn't with the intention of bullsh*tting anybody. It's a word I use in my daily course. When it comes to enjoying prog, I do find myself being attracted to certain types - King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd's career from 1971-1982, (And as I said before, I really do love Selling England by the Pound), Pain of Salvation, Devin Townsend, maudlin of the Well, Renaissance, Camel, Opeth, Comus, Riverside, Ayreon, Queensryche, Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel solo material, Van Der Graaf Generator (Peter solo, too), Death, Cynic, Vangelis, Radiohead (particularly Kid A), Jesus Christ Superstar, and the list goes on. Here's a proposed situation: Doctor: Patient, I tried saving both your legs, but due to my lack of experience, I was only able to save one of your legs. Patient: You suck! Doctor: What you said doesn't count. I'm still waiting for you to show me how good YOU are at being a doctor, mister critic. fair enough. nice variety of tastes. really, no kidding. i dont like prog metal in particular, but it's ok. and so, in reference to the last thing. im not a musician, im as talented in playing any instrument as an astrophysicist from caltech is in hitting on a girl. lol.  but you, on the other hand, were the one who was harassing banks' synthwork, so i brought up that you could show me how skilled you are in your instrument, if you play one, and so your argument against bank's work would be consistent. am i clear enough?  let me put it even clearer: you're still trying to bullsh*t me, instead of just saying ' that's true, i have no right in talking bad about a musician's work, i should, instead, criticize in a constructive way' . by the way, the 2nd line from "Doctor" does not follow the point from the previous conversation held by "Doctor" and "Patient", in a gramatically correct way.  i mean, they were having the conversation and then Doctor spoke to ME?  very wrong written.  conclusion: if you're gonna try to hit the ball back to my field, and you wanna do it with style, at least write it correctly! What are you blabbering about? The doctor was talking to the patient. By "you", the doctor was referring to the patient. My theoretical doctor was not referring to you, he was talking to the theoretical patient. He referred to the patient as 'patient', because I didn't feel like giving them names. Doctor: Patient, I tried saving both your legs, but due to my lack of experience, I was only able to save one of your legs. Patient: (To the doctor) You suck! Doctor: (To the patient) What you said doesn't count. I'm still waiting for you to show me how good YOU are at being a doctor, mister critic. What universal law says I have no RIGHT to criticize? George Carlin would have something to say about that pure, smelly hogsh*t.  [Forum managers, I promise never to hit the "quote" button again when it comes to this guy.] Let the guy with the bullhorn have his way.  I just have no desire to be so constantly self-revealing as you do, Alitare.  It occurs to me that others have their own lives, and probably don't wish to be bothered by hearing about my every thought and self-precious view, don't wish to answer every solipsistic thought of mine.  I could imagine sharing what I'm convinced are my deep thoughts.  Maybe, just maybe if I should be actually, truly brilliant and have something of content to say... yes, something that elucidates, or perhaps even originates, an Idea.  Lists - which you yourself say (in your site) that you love to make - and reviews, these are fine, but only so far as they go.  But to say something, now that would make all the talk worthwhile.  But then I check myself, an adult habit of mine: Careful though; there's the need for knowledge of writing and structure sufficient to put across the ideas, once it's been decided people need so very badly to hear them.  Hmm, even then the value of those emanations would be up to others to decide, despite however much I may have managed to impress myself...  No, not for me.  But please, oh but do go on.

Edited by Alitare - May 22 2011 at 19:31

Alitare wrote: Barking Weasel wrote: Alitare wrote: Why yes it is. I'm not trying to critique anything, just show some hatred. Is every human supposed to adore Fotrot like some messianic masterwork? Man.  Are you a huge fan of Robert Christgau or something? http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=genesis I can't stand Robert Christgau. I prefer Mark Prindle. What to you would be proof of my existence? I'm not saying Foxtrot is bad, or that you're wrong for loving it. Are my emotions deficient that they aren't positively swayed by the album?

You can hate on "Foxtrot," if that is your prerogative.  After all, I've gone on a spree of hate against the Beatles, so it would be hypocritical of me to say that you can't dislike "Foxtrot." 

All I noticed was that your stated views of early Genesis albums parallel Christgau's almost exactly.  His favorite was also SEBTP, closely followed by "The Lamb."  Additionally, he does not like anything that came before "Selling England."  A curious coincidence, but if you say you don't like Christgau then I'll take your word for it.  I object to his reviews also FYI.  

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