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Topic: Picchio Dal Pozzo Posted: August 13 2010 at 11:14 |
Picchio Dal Pozzo does not really need an introduction. Their debut album is one of the greatest albums in the progressive rock genre. It is a truly incredible album and a must have for any music lovers. Although Picchio Dal Pozzo are an Italian band, they are widely accepted as being a Canterbury scene band. A position their other releases cemented. Their music has been described as romantically melodic overtones, swiftly implemented time signatures and jazzy interplay in concert with the proverbial peaks, valleys, knotty twists and circuitous turns. I just call their music great. It is therefore with great pleasure I bring you this exclusive interview with Paolo Griguolo from Picchio Dal Pozzo. --------------------------------------------------------
What is Picchio Dal Pozzo up to these
days ? “Well, we could say
we're slowly wakin' up after a long sleep. The very restart was in
2002, when we met again (Aldo De Scalzi, Aldo Di Marco, Claudio Lugo
and me:the 'survivors') and recorded
pic_nic@ valdapozzo.
After this recording session, we had few gigs as a quartet, playing
only material out of this album. The feeling was great, so we
dedided, in 2008, to take the chance offered by Yugen, a prog band
from Milan, and set up the official come-back of PdP. The live CD of
this concert will be published and available in few months, the title
is a_live. Now
we're rehearsing with a new line-up and will be ready for the
beginning of this summer: Aldo De Scalzi (voice, keybds, wx7 and
alto-sax), Aldo Di Marco (drums), Paolo Griguolo (guitars, flute),
Dado Sezzi (percussions), Edmondo Romano (soprano-sax, flutes,
bagpipes), Massimo Trigona (bass), Luca Cresta (keybds).
Picchio Dal Pozzo was born in Italy in
1973. Who started the band, which bands influenced you and why did
you choose Picchio Dal Pozzo as your band-name ? “Aldo De Scalzi,
Andrea Beccari, Giorgio Karaghiosoff and me met at ground school when
we were 6 years old, we were schoolmates. We used to play in the
small school-band, that means only classic music, Telemann, Corelli,
Bach, Mozart a.s.o. We had a good musical education and we started
play together on our own when we were about 12, so around 1969. We
listened to every kind of music, classic, jazz, rock, country, pop.
Our favourite was and is Frank Zappa. An other musician that had a
great influence in PdP's music is Robert Wyatt. Picchio dal Pozzo is
the character of a nonsense-poetry written by G. Karaghiosoff in
form of collàge. The lyric is recited by Cristina Pomarici, our
first live sound-engineer, in the first album Picchio dal
Pozzo. There's no main
reason for this choice, the production needed a name for the band and
we were not so much ready for the question 'what's your name'”
How was your formative years and how
did you get your first record deal ? “A. De Scalzi's
brother, Vittorio, played with one of the most famous italian bands,
New Trolls. In the early '70s he set up a recording studio with his
father, so we had the chance, first, to look at the 'adults' playing
and recording music, after a while, to start working in the studio as
apprentices. After few years they founded a label, GROG, and we were
one of the bands that got a record deal purpose.”
Your first album Picchio Dal Pozzo from
1976 is rightly regarded as a prog rock classic and the artwork
(front cover) is iconic.
Please give us a presentation of this
album which has inspired so many people. The music, the recording,
lyrics, the musicians, the artwork, the tracks......... “ We had no ready
tracks at the beginning of our first 'adventure'; only workpieces to
develope and put together, it has been like a big jigsaw puzzle.
Fortunately GROG gave us more than a month time, so we could not only
put the tracks together but also experiment new take techniques,
exspecially mics placements, sound filtering and editing. In these
years you had to reverse the tape indeed if you wanted for example a
reversed reverb. This was a crazy job in the job, but very amusing.
All the lyrics of the
album are related to our love for 'intelligent nonsense', tongue
twisters a.s.o.. The only one a little more descriptive is 'l'upupa'
introducing the second part of Napier.
The choice of the
artwork for the cover has been very 'casual'. We were sitting in the
office speaking to Renata, the label secretary. Behind her, hanging
at the wall, there was a calendar designed by Heinrich Ellermann, a
german designer for children artwork. We found it lovely and very in
tune with us. We asked him the license for using it, he said 'yes'.
There were mainly two
reasons for having 'external' musicians in our album: the first, we
had no drummer, the second , we loved collaborations and exchanges.
In Genoa we were considered crazy people and Picchio dal Pozzo a
crazy band. Therefore a lot of friends, and among them a lot of
musicians, came to vist us in studio to see what we were setting up.
It has been a pleasure, to involve them actively in our project.
Arriving at the end of
our work, we decided to dedicate the album to Robert Wyatt in a
'sheltered and italianized' way: dedicated to Roberto Viatti.
Please tell us more about this artwork
which I, and I guess many others, would be happy to have framed on my
wall. “There's not much
more to tell. The guy looking through the portal is Mauro Fiore,
Giorgio Karaghiosoff's cousin, who created the pictures patchwork
inside the album. I repeat myself, the choise of this artwok for the
album cover happened by chance, a kind of 'last minute'. Evidently it
has been a good chance. Please give us a presentation of your
second album Abbiamo Tutti I Suoi Problemi from 1980. The music, the
recording, lyrics, the musicians, the artwork, the tracks......... “ This album signs
clearly the end of the 70's. A radical change happened from the early
80's till now, in music and, generally, in social and political
attitude. The realization has been a very hard work. We were looking
for new methods of composing and this took a lot of time for
experimenting and rehearsing. We spent 10-12 hours daily on the
instruments looking for new directions and this for months. The very
example is 'Strativari'; for this composition we decided to choose
the notes, the hight, the length and the instrument they were to be
played with really by chance, drawing lots. There are mainly two
kinds of tracks: very short and based on the syllabication of the
lyrics, long with no lyrics based on composing experimentation.
The musicians: Aldo Di
Marco (drums), Andrea Beccari (bass), Aldo De Scalzi (keyb, alto sax,
guit, vocals), Paolo Griguolo (guitars, violin), Roberto Romani
(tenor sax), Claudio Lugo (alto sax). This has been the official band
line up from 1976 till 1981. Giorgio Karaghiosoff, one of the 'magic
four' founders of the band, left in 1976. The artwork for the cover
is a painting by R.Romani, the title is 'Mister Fagiolo' (Mister
Bean). The lyrics by A. Di Marco.
There was a 21 years long gap between
your second album and the third album Camere Zimmer Rooms. What
happened during this long time ? “ In fact, Camere Zimmer Rooms has
been recorded in 1977 and never released till 2001. At the end of
1981 we realised that Picchio dal Pozzo was 'out of the times and
lines', no concerts anymore, no music schools, nothing. We were 24
years old more or less and everybody had to choose his way. Most of
us stopped with musical activity at all, Aldo De Scalzi, Claudio Lugo
and me continued profesionally following different directions, Aldo
Di Marco stayed in between, let's say a sort of part-timer.
Please give us a presentation of Camere
Zimmer Rooms from 2001. The music, the recording, lyrics, the
musicians, the artwork, the tracks......... “ Camere
Zimmer Rooms' comes out of a test. We had just bought a new P.A.
System. So we decided to make a sort of sound check for the gigs. We
set up the equipment in the recording studio and tested the P.A.
playing some titles we used to play live and recording on a 16 track
at the same time. After a while the studio needed the tape for other
jobs and we had to mix down the 'test'. I rescued the tape from
several removals and kept it in a drawer for years. In 2000 i got
contacted by a guy for an interview and i told him about this
unreleased record. After few weeks Steve Feigenbaum of Cuneiform
Records called me on the phone saying he was interested in publising
this unreleased work; this is the way it happened. The lyrics of 'Il
Presidente' (The President) are an ironic newspaper article about a
famous impeachment of G.Leone, italian president in 1977.'La Città'
(The Town) is based on a graffiti drawn on a wall we found in Turin.
The rest of the lyrics are written by me. I'd say that this album
belongs to the most active period of Picchio dal Pozzo.
You returned again in 2004 with
Pic_nic@Valdapozzo which was a collection of new and old material
incorporating pieces of music from the sadly deceased Area
frontman Dimitrio Stratos. Please tell
us more about this album. “ After the
publishing of Camere Zimmer Rooms an other event, by chance,
convinced us, the time of a reunion had arrived. Aldo De Scalzi
called me, he had found in the old recording studio the tape we
recorded for Demetrio Stratos during one of his solo exibitions.
Demetrio has been a very important figure for Picchio dal Pozzo and
perhaps the most famous fan of us. The tape was really
in bad conditions (we
unrolled it completely on the floor and cleaned it up with alcohol!)
but at the end we succeded in digitalise it. At this point, we
decided to spend a week on a farm called Valdapozzo, a kind of
full-immersion, and to carry out an album dedicated to Demetrio. We
used the material as 'sound' not as 'voice'. The music is completley
new and composed during this amazing week excepted 'Pugni Chiusi', a
song that Demetrio sang at the beginning of his career with a band
called 'I Ribelli'.
What is the current label situation and
the situation regarding availability and distribution of your albums
? What is your experiences with the music/record industry ? “ We tried to find
out the situation too, you can find the result of our researches on
our web-site (www.picchiodalpozzo.com), clicking 'Buy CD'.
Mostly, we're not very
enthusiastic about the official music industry, there are on the
opposite some indie labels that produce huge efforts and a good job.
The web is changing deeply the situation in a positive direction, in
my opinion . There's still a big lack regarding live music, concerts,
gigs that, from our point of view, are foundamental for bands like
us.
Your band has been categorised as a
Canterbury scene band and I personally agree with this although I
also feel Rock In Opposition and Jazz is also good descriptions on
your music.
But I guess you also have your own
opinions. So how would you describe your music ? “As you use the term
'categorised', our answer is 'we hate categories'. We all have had a
360° musical education and of course a lot of influences like
everybody, but we never had the intent to belong to a category or a
style, we never followed a trend or a fashion. Categorising is often
the sign of fear of freedom, the need of having everything labeled.
So, I'd say that Picchio dal Pozzo's music is 'music all round'
composed and developed by common work. Everybody is free to find the
right place for Picchio dal Pozzo on his shelf.
The Canterbury scene is probably the
only music scene in the world with no geographic relevance to the
place it has been named after. What is your view on this scene and
which Canterbury scene bands do you like ? “ Yes, I agree, no
geographic relevance and perhaps no relevance at all, there's not
even Chaucer involved! I think that the main merit of the
'canterbury' musicians has been hybridization, the stepping out of
styles, rules and labels. This has produced, even if sometimes
unawares, a political and social message. Technically, what I like
most, is the development of vocal lines.
My favourite bands are
Hatfield and the North, Henry Cow, Gong and Matching Mole.
Picchio Dal Pozzo has been around since
1973. How would you compare the music scene back then with today's
music scene ? “We're speaking here
about a 40 years gap and of course a lot of things have changed. I'd
say that one of the most important factors of this (r?)(de?)evolution
has been technology. Nowadays everyone has the possibility to have in
his livingroom a professional recording studio with recording
softwares, wonderful instruments samples, powerful postproduction
means; in other words, everybody has the chance today, to express
himself at a quite high professional level and this is the positive
side; on the other hand, we are overfloated by a massive amount of
music, often produced with any kind of know-how, knowledge and taste.
Lately i rarely listened to something interesting or at least 'new'.
Speaking about prog, it has become a sort of antique trade with
almost no evolution. When you try to go a bit foreward, you
automatically are considered out of prog; so we could say that prog
is a kind of vintage movement. All this of course decided and ruled
by music critics.
There is some links from the Picchio
Dal Pozzo homepage to the band members side projects. Please tell us
more about these projects. “ Well, the best thing for
everybody is of course to have a look at the sites personally.
Briefly:
Please tell us more about the gigs and
festivals you have played. “ Our live activity
has been mostly from 1977 to 1981. In fact we didn't play so many
gigs; the problem has always been the RIO slogan: the rock
shows the record companies don't want you to hear. We
had our own P.A system and, for a period, a van too; more a nightmare
than a van. We often played for audiences expecting some 'dancy'
stuff for the evening, the memory of staring eyeballs and dropped
jaws is still vivid . Going back to your question about
music categories, we used to say “ we play acrobatic rock “,
that's a good definition of Picchio dal Pozzo's music.
What is Picchio Dal Pozzo future plans
? “ As saied, we're
slowly starting a Picchio dal Pozzo project again. We're now ready
and available for concerts, have met good musicians we're comfortable
with and mainly nice guys. This is our near future. The long term
plans dipend obviously on how Picchio dal Pozzo's new activity will
run in the next future. The new line-up works well and slowly new
wishes appear behind the horizon, we'll see.
Please name your five favourite albums
“ Of course this is
my personal choice:
Ruth is Stranger Than
Richard (R.Wyatt),
Life In New York
(F.Zappa),
Freedom Now Suite
(A.Ayler),
The Magic of Satie
(Jean-Yves Thibaudet),
The White Album
(Beatles)
A big thank to Paolo for this interview. A big thank you to Picchio Dal Pozzo for their music. Their bio is here and their homepage is here |
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Logan
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 12:02 |
A great interview for one of my favourite bands.
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 12:09 |
Wonderful interview but I think the Frank Zappa album is called ''Zappa in New York'' and not ''Life in New York''.
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 12:29 |
Excellent interview. A band I really love. Nice to read Paolo's words. Now I am eagerly waiting for the live album.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 13:43 |
Excellent interview. Hopefully they will continue far beyond A_live (which I can't wait for).
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 15:31 |
Ditto what everyone else has said, really. Great interview, looking forward to the new release!
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Posted: August 13 2010 at 18:57 |
Everyone has said everything I wanted to say when I came in. Thanks for the interview!
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Logan
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 16:05 |
It's such a great band. Essential listening. I have the four studio albums, and each is good, but the debut and Abbiamo Tutti... in particular I just love.
And when I got Abbiamo... some years ago I used to play "Mettiamo il Caso" over and over again. I love how it brings in music from the first album. Edited by Logan - August 14 2010 at 16:06 |
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Posted: August 14 2010 at 16:20 |
Very informative interview, thanks! Whenever I have the time I'll check out the samples.
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