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    Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:27
Yep, and it's a shame.
 
But it's a business. We here at the Archives seem to forget that complete creative freedom with major record labels only applied to a handful of bands for a period of about 7 years. That time was really an exception, and we'll never see anything quite like it again. It's called the music business because, at the end of the day, it's about music making money, not money making music. You can have the creative freedom, or you can have the money, but rarely can you have both.
 
Please excuse my rant, but I tend to get a little pissed off when the industry I'm just now beginning to step into is collapsing as I type. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 05:33
Is there a positive side to the major record labels, too? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 05:49
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Interesting story

Well, isn't that unusual? LOL
Did they make him cry?

I was trying to come up with a positive comment on the industry and the best I could do is this: they'll promote you more than you'd be able to do on your own if they think you'll make them a lot of money.

They did embrace prog briefly but it didn't take long before they were coercing prog artists to go commercial and were off to the latest trend.

On a funny side note, we have a local TV reporter named Tom Jones and that damn song comes into my head every time he shows up on screen.

One other bright spot about them not promoting prog: lessens the likelihood that a prog song will get so much air play that I end up hating it. Tongue


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 05 2010 at 05:54
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 07:20
Originally posted by Tarquin Underspoon Tarquin Underspoon wrote:

Yep, and it's a shame.

 

But it's a business. We here at the Archives seem to forget that complete creative freedom with major record labels only applied to a handful of bands for a period of about 7 years. That time was really an exception, and we'll never see anything quite like it again. It's called the music business because, at the end of the day, it's about music making money, not money making music. You can have the creative freedom, or you can have the money, but rarely can you have both.

 

Please excuse my rant, but I tend to get a little pissed off when the industry I'm just now beginning to step into is collapsing as I type. Wink


You're completely correct. It's only about music to the musicians. The businessmen are purely interested in shifting units and getting their investment back, plus a profit.

There was an item about Prince on the news this morning. Music retailers were moaning that his sales had slumped since he'd been giving his albums away free with newspapers. Well, the words tough and sh*t spring to mind...and in that order. Prince is in the enviable position, as are Radiohead, to no longer need a record label. Artists of this stature have the creative freedom to do as they so wish, and make their bucks playing huge live shows.

It's kind of ironic that back in the day, record companies wanted their bands to be huge, multi platinum selling, stadium filling giants, now they dread the day when their bands have this kind of power. It's also ironic that in these days of dumbed down music, never before have big name acts actually had such 'potential' artistic freedom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 23:54
Originally posted by Tarquin Underspoon Tarquin Underspoon wrote:

Yep, and it's a shame.
 
But it's a business. We here at the Archives seem to forget that complete creative freedom with major record labels only applied to a handful of bands for a period of about 7 years. That time was really an exception, and we'll never see anything quite like it again. It's called the music business because, at the end of the day, it's about music making money, not money making music. You can have the creative freedom, or you can have the money, but rarely can you have both.
 
Please excuse my rant, but I tend to get a little pissed off the industry I'm just now beginning to step into is collapsing as I type. Wink
You're really overselling it. I mean, yeah, Impulse! has gone from Coltrane and Ayler to Diana Krall, but you're not giving them enough credit in the early years, and they're still not that bad now. They're not releasing much music I like, but that's not even their fault, and I find it sort of insulting to say that Lady Gaga or whoever only makes the music she does because the label is forcing her to. Because seriously, Steve Wilson wrote frickin Sound of Muzak on a major label.

I don't see any negative side to this story. So the VP is upset, and maybe he shouldn't be, although I hope you can understand why he would be surprised, but the label is still releasing the album because he's Tom Jones. And Tom still has his almost $3 million from switching to their label, even though this album might not make it back for them. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 23:56
It depends on the label.  All there is to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2010 at 00:19

Artists shouldn't be treated like mere employees...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2010 at 00:33
Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

Artists shouldn't be treated like mere employees...
Also, I am fairly certain that Tom Jones is not somebody we want to hold up as a model of artistic integrity! And I think it's not unreasonable for some of the rules to change once they're handing out millions of dollars...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2010 at 02:07
I agree with the label - Tom Jones singing hymns is a sick joke. I expect more Sex Bomb and covers of sh*tty songs like Black Betty! (I'm totally serious, by the way.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2010 at 19:20
I will never understand how some people here continuously express surprise and disappointment at stories which suggest that companies are concerned with making money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2010 at 11:47
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Is there a positive side to the major record labels, too? Tongue

Exactly. Why is any one surprised by this article? Major labels don't care about artists and creativity. They want sales volume and dollars!! The only way an established artist like a Tom Jones can do something completely different is with an independent label or on their own.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2010 at 14:04


Well this album did sell one million copies.  Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 02:35
Tom Jones’ new album, Praise And Blame, is currently the best-selling album in the Europe. If it stays that way until Sunday, the 70 year-old Jones will become the oldest male musician to have a number one album in the U.K. Currently sitting at number two is Eminem’s Recovery.

http://www.nme.com/news/tom-jones/52243

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 03:21

This story is an echo of when Geffen Records took Neil Young to court for releasing uncommercial albums. In the case of Geffen vs. Young, Geffen actually had a good case. Neil Young's records were horrendous at that time. The case was settled out of court and Neil Young then released some really excellent albums.

Funny world........   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 17:41
Not only is Praise And Blame selling but it's getting just about the best critical reception a Jones album ever has.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 08:02
Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

I agree with the label - Tom Jones singing hymns is a sick joke. I expect more Sex Bomb and covers of sh*tty songs like Black Betty! (I'm totally serious, by the way.)


That's my opinion on the topic too. The only reason Tom Jones would record 12 hymn songs for an album is because 1) he's stupid, 2) he has terrible taste in music.

I tend to think like a record label executive these days, but I would have reached the same conclusion either way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 08:07
Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Is there a positive side to the major record labels, too? Tongue

Exactly. Why is any one surprised by this article? Major labels don't care about artists and creativity. They want sales volume and dollars!! The only way an established artist like a Tom Jones can do something completely different is with an independent label or on their own.
Yes, because every record deal on a major label is exactly the same and because artists who are given creative freedom never sell well. Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 08:24
Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Is there a positive side to the major record labels, too? Tongue

Exactly. Why is any one surprised by this article? Major labels don't care about artists and creativity. They want sales volume and dollars!! 

That too happens on smaller indie labels. I remember very well some German indie labels and others jumping on band wagons like there was no tomorrow. I also remember the mad push among the small indie labels to get as many bands as possible through a very fashionable studio in Florida as fast as possible.

You find dollar signs in most label managers eyes. Wink  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 08:55
David Sharpe is a vice pres (ie one of many) on the financial side of the business and it is evident that's where he should stay (ie well away from the creative side).
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