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Poll Question: Which of these men had the most beneficial impact?
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Points: 65514 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2009 at 13:49
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Originally posted by omri omri wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Why was FDR a bad president? I'm curious. 


First off he disgustingly forced 120,000 Americans of Japanese descent into internment camps during WWII. One of the worst moments of American history that is somehow looked over because of the love affair people have with FDR and WWII as a beautiful war. 


The biggest reason though is that he pushed New Deal policies on this country, an expansion of the role of the modern president, that prolonged the depression, where incredibly unconstitutional, and set the precedent for massive government debt and intervention that lasts until this day. Besides these economics policies being just plain wrong in a classic confusing of cause and effect, they struck at nearly all of the fundamental freedoms the country was founded on. 


It gets even worse when you go into the details of how relief funds were directed to areas not based on need, but based on political idealogy, essentially plunging Americans into debt to buy off voters to ensure his (re-re-re-re)-)re-re-election

 

I can't leave this one without an answer.

First, WWII was horible. none of us have a love afair with it. The thing is, it was the only war ever that was right against wrong and FDR understood it much before most Americans who were happy to stay away from it. Without his policy of lending the UK weapon (long before Pearl Harbour) the nazis would have won that war and probably some of us have never been born (myself included).

Second, FDR understood that the market is not god and in emergency situation the state should act and that's how USA got out of the 1929 crisis. Just a year ago another flaw of the market (and not enough state involvment and regulation) created another crisis to show again that pure capitalism and greed is self defeating. One has to be a blind believer to claim else nowadays.

Sorry for being rude but I felt those words should be said.

To your first point, thanks for proving my statement. Clearly nobody is in love with that war. The only war ever that was right against wrong. A war that had to be fought, and be fought just the way it was, atomic bombings of Japan, fire-bombings of Dresden, all of that was so glorious, the greatest generation. 
Secondly, not only did FDR not understand that notion, because the notion is false, but as I said he used the situation to further himself politically and not to help those in need. He wanted to be a dictator and damn well almost was. The list of unconstitutional offenses he racked up must be several volumes long. 
It's funny how pure capitalism is doomed to fail, but pure capitalism hasn't existed in this country, and the further we stray to a hybrid market system, the more tumultuous the economy becomes. Maybe you should look at central agencies manipulating the market, like the Federal Reserve, instead of blindly accepting those things as sacrosanct establishments. 


I know your type, you're angry about everything-- understandable but quite useless, and an opinion no more informed than anyone elses


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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2009 at 18:14
Originally posted by omri omri wrote:


When your'e fighting pure evil then you are right even if by the way you do many wrong things.


I never said we weren't the correct side in the war. 

I'm sorry I just can't agree with this statement.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2009 at 18:25
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 

I know your type, you're angry about everything-- understandable but quite useless, and an opinion no more informed than anyone elses



If you noticed I didn't get angry until my viewpoint was responded to in a very belittling and condescending tone. I came into this thread and only stated my preferences. I tend to get angry when I'm treated with a moron because people think that any informed opinion must coincide with their own. 

Why do you come in with the angry remark? I know your type, you come into a conversation without any substantive point to add, instead just calling out a party in an attempt to seem superior. Seriously is that the kind of response you want from me? What's the point of your comment? If you have something to add, then add it, otherwise why are you even making a post. 

Why does nearly every political discussion I'm a part of progress like this:

1) I state my belief.
2) One responds obviously implying that anyone with my viewpoint must be an imbecile (usually while annoying any of the substance of the post).
3) I respond with a similar tone defending my viewpoint.
4) Third parties (usually established members here strangely)  see me as the bad guy because they disagree with my viewpoint and notice my aggression out of context.  


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Points: 65514 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2009 at 19:53
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 
I know your type, you're angry about everything-- understandable but quite useless, and an opinion no more informed than anyone elses



If you noticed I didn't get angry until my viewpoint was responded to in a very belittling and condescending tone. I came into this thread and only stated my preferences. I tend to get angry when I'm treated with a moron because people think that any informed opinion must coincide with their own. 
Why do you come in with the angry remark? I know your type, you come into a conversation without any substantive point to add, instead just calling a party in an attempt to seem superior.


Fair enough


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Kennedy could of had the biggest beneficial impact.But he died or something.



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