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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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What's your opinion on headphone amplifiers? I hear a lot of times that they're amazing and can really heighten the sound you get out of headphones, but I'm skeptical. Do you know if they're worth it? And if they are some products you could recommend?
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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I have this particular one:
http://www.stereophile.com/integratedamps/nuforce_icon_usb-input_integrated_amplifier/ Its very, very good at my PC, but its a massive hassle to use for my iPod, because it kills the battery super fast... You can't really consider it portable, although they do have a mobile model, but I can't comment on that because I've never used it. If you're gonna use it at your PC, you'll definitely get a lot of enjoyment out of it. They do make headphones sound a fair bit better, mostly in the mid range though... If you're looking for better highs, this doesn't make much of a difference, but its great for mid range and bass, particularly for heavier stuff. Depending on how well mixed the album is to begin with, and as long as you rip your MP3's upwards of 128kbps, you should get some pleasing results. In all honesty, I'd reccomend you to just get a 100$ pair of headphones, but the better your earphones, the better that little amp will make them sound. I'm not sure what kind of a budget you're on, but I don't have any real complaints about that on what I payed for that model, although I did get it on sale. As I said, I have no real idea as to the quality of other models, as thats the only one I've ever used. So, 1. From that model, I think they're quite good, although only really useful if you have something stopping you from buying an actual stereo, IE space, budget etc. If you're gonna listen to most of your music at your PC, well then I can't see a good reason not to buy it. 2. I'd say that one was half worth it, and I guess the more you use it (and I use it a fair bit) the more you'll get out of it. I listen to music at my PC quite a bit, but it depends on how much you focus on what you're listening to and when you're doing it etc... 3. I can recommend that model, although I can't recommend any others as I said. I mean, overall I think it depends on how good your headphones are. If you're looking to get even better sound out of a great pair, then thats the way to go. If you're looking to get better sound out of an only decent pair, then you could be wasting your money. My current pair was 120US, and they sound great with and without the amp, so it depends really. If you're not interested in getting new headphones, then get that. If you're just looking for all round better sound, get better headphones. Hope that helps ![]() -Joel |
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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^ this is a portable device ... I guess it's useful if you want to use big headphones with portable players who may not have the necessary power for that (they're optimized for small headphones).
I'd like to know if - and how - they can actually improve the sound quality. |
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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According to Wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphone_amplifier):
And also, the equalizer settings on my model work about 90 times better than those on my PC (which has an incredibly average stock soundcard) and on my iPod, so I can get better, and more desirable levels through using the controls. Edited by progkidjoel - December 12 2009 at 18:15 |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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Thanks for the input.
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mono ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2005 Location: Paris, France Status: Offline Points: 652 |
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Headphones amplifiers are generally not very "efficient" (lot of class A), so not very portable.
The damping factor is not the most relevent cirteria, even if it becomes quite important for high impedance headphones (try plugging a Beyerdynamic 250 Ohm on a PC soundcard headphone output, and then try with an amp, the difference is quite enormous...) USB/Firewire soundcards have an output impedence for headphones of ~50Ohm, so using 60-80Ohm headphones should yield good result in terms of efficiency. High damping factors are also useful sometimes if the sound card uses the reflected signal to control distortion. The best way to judge remains listenning to a few reference tracks. |
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Nakatira ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 31 2005 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 178 |
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These sound amazing, they come with or without a pre.
Best headphones I've listened to http://www.stax.co.jp/index-E.html |
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I was kind of thinking before you wrote that, just get a good set of headphones in the first place. Of course after you've bought one of these devices, you'd like to think it made you headphones sound better when it just actually just made your headphones sound different. Also, take anything from the Wiki with a grain of salt. It could just be an ad in disguise. |
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mono ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2005 Location: Paris, France Status: Offline Points: 652 |
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Sacred 22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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Having a good amplifier to drive your headphones is just as important as having a good amplifier to drive your speakers. Of course, the headphones have to be up to the task as well. If you play a lot of music off of your computer and you have the budget for it, I would go with the Benchmark Media DAC with USB connection. You can then stream your music via say Foobar in digital PCM format to the DAC which has a very very good headphone amplifier. In fact it's a very good virtually jitter free DAC.
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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Strangely 1.2k amps are not in my budget.
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Henry Plainview ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
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I hadn't even conceived of it being possible to spend that much money on something like that.
Even if it's jitter free on the USB side, wouldn't there be jitter on the headphone side? Actually, I don't even understand what jitter is so maybe shouldn't be asking.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
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The jitterbug was an awesome dance.
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Sacred 22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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Jitter is caused primarily by two or more clocks that are out of sync. What the Benchmark DAC does is remove the source clock and stores the data in a buffer type memory and then reclocks the data using it's own internal clock and that removes the jitter induced by data transmission. However, if what you have was recored with a high jitter level that won't be eliminated because it's now part of the actual recording. As far as the price, well it's not cheap but it certainly is a bargain in high end audio land.
The DAC is well worth the money in my eyes but I can understand it being a bit out of reach for many.
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mono ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2005 Location: Paris, France Status: Offline Points: 652 |
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After spending 150euros on headphones that are supposed to be top stuff, it's hard to imagine spending ~10 times that for the DAC + Headphone amp.
Can you tell us what would be the difference between a DAC found in a good USB sound card (let's say ~300-400 $) and this one? Precision? floor noise? THD+N? which are relevent? Does bying this DAC imply having an excellent amp and perfect speakers? (in order to appreciate it best). |
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Sacred 22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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The Benchmark DAC is a designed for professional recording and it's technical capibilities are up there with the very best DAC's available today. The headphones are important, but the source is far more important. If you have a sub par signal going to your headphones it matter not how good they are as they will only reproduce what they are being told to reproduce. The DAC is far far more important than the headphones.
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Sacred 22 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
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Most sound cards are terrible but that being said, you really need to have all of your gear in the same general league. If I was going to set up a computer only system knowing what I know today, I would buy the Benchmark DAC with USB and buy a 500 GB or bigger hard drive. Record all my music in lossless WAV format and buy a decent pair of headphones or a fairly decent amplifier speaker combo for playback. Your friends will be all be jealous. I do this now, but I am using a mega buck system which I have put together over the years, It's a kind of hobby I suppose but it sounds gorgious and worth every penny to me. Most don't have that kind of money however. I could put a very good sytem together today for about 3 thousand dollars just by buying good used gear.
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