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Poll Question: The biggest mistake of WA was not continuing the Argus like line?
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    Posted: October 10 2009 at 22:30
A question that recently have in mind to put in consideration to the forum.

Over the years i have read some interviews that claims in opposite ways, it will be nice to hear your opinion about the issue.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2009 at 22:56
Do you mean, they should have continued the sound they had on Argus? Your sentences aren't really making a whole lot of sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2009 at 22:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2009 at 23:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2009 at 03:33
Argus is one of the two albums I can say that each song in them is perfect, and unique in its own way, not to mention the clean sound of Ted and Andy's guitars used with such feel that could not be recreated by the likes of following Wishbone Ash guitarists.
 
Throw Down the Sword made me cry a few years ago.
 
So yeah, I vote for the first option.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2009 at 04:27
Argus is, and always will be, one of my favourite albums - easily in my top 5 of all time. Every song works perfectly and the mood of the album is very other worldly. The musicianship is magnificent. It probably won't suit the fans of Messhugah and the like and those who love "dark" music, but what the hell; that's their loss.

But to try to repeat this might have ruined the legacy. They tried rather different approaches (mainly due to Laurie Wisefield's harder guitar style) and some bombed - Locked In is the obvious example. But some of their subsequent output is excellent; There's the Rub, No Smoke Without Fire and Just Testing are excellent albums in a rather harder vein. And when they reinvented themselves with the original lineup under Miles Copeland, Nouveax Calls and Here to Hear are also very good.

So no, they shouldn't have tried to reproduce their masterpiece or continue in its style. That would have been boring and not progressive.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2009 at 08:28
Since first hearing WA on John Peel's Top Gear, the eponymous first album has remained my favourite, of which every tune works for me, climaxing with Phoenix (at the right length). Subsequent albums have had gems, but lacked the consistency of the first IMHO. This album in various ways has similarities to another favouirte, T2's Boomland.  Essentially music progressing out of rock blues  period of the late 60's.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2009 at 11:07
I was under the impression,( many years ago), that New England was their attempt at making another Argus stylish kind of album. It's not pulled off in that vain 100 percent, but maybe 50 at least. There are some traditional Irish harmony style guitar leads that will remind one of The King Will Come. There are hints of Argus throughout, almost a return to that sound but teasing in the  effect it has on the listener. The same musical detailed aspects in guitar playing can be found on There's The Rub. I bounced around with this band for many years. Always having mixed feelings for their various titles. Live was always the way to go with this band. Has anyone here ever been drinking a nice bottle of white wine while cranking up the version of Pheonix from Live Dates? It's a killer rushThumbs Up  The bass guitarist and drummer are so tight and thrilling to hear through a pair of JBL tower speakers, while duel guitar harmonies are demanding the attention of yours truly. Live Dates by WB is placed next to Gentle Giant's Playing The Fool for me personally. Both are diverse in your mind set, but are equal in the sense that the performances are phenomenal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2009 at 13:10
Showbiz is a funny old thing - bands and artists dream of stardom and a hit album, work hard, get there, mess it all up, split up , go solo, reform, big comeback...and so on.
 
I doubt if the original Ash members will ever settle their differences and reform then make another Argus..the moment has passed, though they are still a great act(s) live.  Clap
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2009 at 03:11
I can see what you mean about argus being sort of a peak. I love that album but also like theres the rub. RE bands sticking witha format I like Genesis among others and would consider Foxtrot the ultimate   but in reality it isnt. It just the peak of that particular Genesis period  sort of victoriana melodramatic.   I love Selling and Lamb but they are quite different to Foxtrot.  Also like Trick and Wind.  I feel they lost the path when Hackett left.    Anyway back to topic  If They stuck with the Foxtrot fomula eventually the whole thing would have run dry. Good post though  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2009 at 22:44
Wishbone Ash were always good. Got a copy of Locked In a few months back and I love it. Also I was happily amazed at 'You See Red' getting played down the pub last time I was in...Smoke Without Fire is soooo good! Heart
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2009 at 07:46
No question, of course they should have continued down the Argus path.
 
They released a whole lot of mediocre albums afterwards because they strayed away from that formula and never reached anywhere near that height any more.
 
Someone above stated that if they had continued with Argus, they would only have been repeating themselves. I beg to differ. Who says that stagnation would have set in? I would have loved to see the Argus sound developed and improved, that would have been quite something.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2009 at 08:23
I enjoyed the next couple of albums greatly ( Especially There´s the Rub) so I have to go with option number two.
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