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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 23:45
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

^^^^Here's someone to listen to.  He's 18 and hasn't made to that point in his 20's where most people lose the ability to hear certain frequencies. Now take it into a store and try out some higher end audio equipment for us. Big smile

Funnily enough, the other day I was depressed to find out that about the highest frequency I can hear is 16.7 kHz, and a few years ago I am sure I could hear 17.7kHz. It is spot on for my age, but I can't help but think that maybe I have listened to The Mars Volta too loud too often. BTW, on August 20 I will be 19, so I am hardly 18.

Can you hear these ultrasonic ringtones?

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Points: 4252 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2009 at 09:50
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Beware though, most "audiophile" equipment is extremely over priced and the expected performance is advertised using pseudoscience.
 
 
 
...i agree, though i would listen to some before believing sweeping generalisations Wink
 
 the ultrasonic ringtones test is very interesting, i could hear the first three ok but the fourth took great concentration to hear - many years of heavy rock gigs have taken their toll...  Unhappy
 
i can appreciate quality sound, though based on soundstage and transparency more than high fidelity it would seem....some details appear solid  hanging in mid-air, though distorted frequencies from the pc or ipod sounds i have listened to in the past are tiring and sometimes hurt Ouch  
 


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Hey, don't forget about important thing with CD's. It's source, but what about old one vs. remastered version ? And when you have a lot of vinyls and you rip them to mp3 format, then you should have appropriate quality, right ? There's no point in making FLAC files from vinyl format. It's same when you make .AVI video from old VHS source. You can make it in 3000kbit/s quality, but it's real quality is about 500kbit/s or lower. Therefore, you have enormous file which is just not effective.

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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2009 at 22:24
If you can't tell the difference, then don't worry about it. If you can tell the difference, never settle for anything less than lossless. Simple.
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2009 at 22:45
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

^^^^Here's someone to listen to.  He's 18 and hasn't made to that point in his 20's where most people lose the ability to hear certain frequencies. Now take it into a store and try out some higher end audio equipment for us. Big smile

Funnily enough, the other day I was depressed to find out that about the highest frequency I can hear is 16.7 kHz, and a few years ago I am sure I could hear 17.7kHz. It is spot on for my age, but I can't help but think that maybe I have listened to The Mars Volta too loud too often. BTW, on August 20 I will be 19, so I am hardly 18.

Can you hear these ultrasonic ringtones?


I can hear 18.8 khz. Big smile
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2009 at 00:04
I can only barely hear 16.7 khz. I used to have better hearing, and I don't even listen to that much music or very loud. :(
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2009 at 00:55
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I can only barely hear 16.7 khz. I used to have better hearing, and I don't even listen to that much music or very loud. :(


Everyone loses their hearing a bit over time. No worries. Smile
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The difference between 128 kbps and 320 kbps is only noticeable (for me, at least) on decent+ equipment. The style of music also plays a role. A lot of straightforward rock n' roll is tolerable at 128 while classical music demands higher bit rates. Notes begin to take shape as you move to higher bit rates but if you're just listening to sloppy distorted guitar, who cares? 
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2009 at 01:05
Ironically it's usually the other way round: Classical music is often a lot easier to encode. Try it for yourself: Configure your encoder to use variable bitrate (VBR) and then rip a track of classical music and a thrash/death metal track with identical settings. You'll find that the encoder will go for a much higher bitrate with the latter ... 
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