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marktheshark 
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:09 |
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This one is pretty tough. My personal list of the most influential artists in rock altogether has been: Bob Dylan, The Beatles and Jimi (not necessarily that order). Of course I wouldn't put Bob as an influence on prog though.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:16 |
Jimi was a very influential guitar player and it is a shame he didn't hang around longer as i reckon he would have been fully involved in prog rock with his later stuff starting to take a different direction 
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:16 |
I heard that right before Jimi died, ELP wanted him to get in on their group. That could have been a sweet group; the cream of the prog rock crop.  But because Emerson's keyboards made most of the music, ELP basically were crapola.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:17 |
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He influenced all guitarists with his way of playing but he didn't influence prog as a musical genre.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:18 |
I would also qualify those threeas most influential rock artists but have no urge to see them included here! Let us not loose focus of the site.
Dylan's influence on prog could be through the folk revival of the early 60's which had solid confrontational and thoughtful texts/lyrics! The folk movement that he helped developped and turned to create folk rock and "allow" Britsish band such as Incredible String Band and others developped prog in a too often forgotten way.
Too many people think that prog came thru symphonic experiences .
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 11:19 |
I reckon slightly less influential..
After 1966 the Beatles must have been a significant influence on what the Moody Blues, Pink Floyd and KC were doing, or were about to do. I remember hearing an interview with Rick Wright of Pink Floyd and he said he didn't really think that pop music or rock n roll was worth anything until he heard Sgt Pepper, and that it had been a big inspiration to Floyd.
I would imagine any rock guitarist prog or otherwise would have alot of time for Hendrix and what he done for rock music generally, but I'm inclined to think he was more of an influence on the likes of Led Zeppelin and other guitar led rock bands.
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marktheshark
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:45 |
[QUOTE=Sean Trane] I would also qualify those threeas most influential rock artists but have no urge to see them included here! Let us not loose focus of the site.
I agree about not including them here (except maybe Beatles). But the purpose of these polls I've been putting in is to define the roots of prog and it's evolution. Not to have them included here.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:48 |
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ELPH... Man that would have been sweet. I'd say their neck and neck, because i cant bring myself to pick on or the other.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:55 |
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While innovative, Jimi's musical range was much narrower than the Beatles. He was pushing the envelop of psychelic rock, so in that way he helped influence the prog rock genre that followed from it. But his music is very blues-based and prog rock was a move away from that style of music.
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marktheshark
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:03 |
 bluetailfly wrote:
While innovative, Jimi's musical range was much narrower than the Beatles. He was pushing the envelop of psychelic rock, so in that way he helped influence the prog rock genre that followed from it. But his music is very blues-based and prog rock was a move away from that style of music. |
Something to consider. While Jimi was indeed basically a bluesman, he excelled in something that even the Beatles didn't really excell in. And that's improvisation. Something that prog groups almost always incorporate in their music. In fact, the reason why I put Jimi high on the ladder on influence is that he was IMO rock's first true improvisationalist. Clapton came close but didn't have the range Jimi had.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:10 |
marktheshark wrote:
bluetailfly wrote:
While innovative, Jimi's musical range was much narrower than the Beatles. He was pushing the envelop of psychelic rock, so in that way he helped influence the prog rock genre that followed from it. But his music is very blues-based and prog rock was a move away from that style of music. |
Something to consider. While Jimi was indeed basically a bluesman, he excelled in something that even the Beatles didn't really excell in. And that's improvisation. Something that prog groups almost always incorporate in their music. In fact, the reason why I put Jimi high on the ladder on influence is that he was IMO rock's first true improvisationalist. Clapton came close but didn't have the range Jimi had. |
Yes, I agree with you, but with this caveat: Hendrix excelled at open-ended improvisational instrumental journeys, and this the emerging prog bands did pick up on. However, Hendrix's improvisation style was a very loose, almost formless jam style, whereas the prog rock musicians worked to craft long instrumental sections that in large part were thought out before hand and had a part in a larger musical construct. They don't have that meandering quality that Hendrix and Cream were creating at the time, where the jam is really the point of the song.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:37 |
Actually they wanted to be named ''HELP''.
There's the whole story about it in the booklet of the Greg Lake Retrospective CD.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:48 |
con safo wrote:
ELPH... Man that would have been sweet. I'd say their neck and neck, because i cant bring myself to pick on or the other. |
The story I heard out of this came from Keith himself, Jimi was really impressed with ELP at the Isle of Wight fest. They talked for a while, but the idea of them forming a band (HELP not ELPH!) never came up. This is just rock folklore that's been floating around for decades like Frank Zappa eating sh*t onstage.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 18:46 |
The Beatles had a greater influence however it would have been interesting to see where Hendrix was headed after Band of Gypsies. I've read where he was moving towards a stronger jazz style but that doesn't jive with work such as Electric ladyland.
Anyway, it's a shame we couldn't see him continue to amaze everyone with his incredible skill for improvisation.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 19:35 |
Yeah, HELP, where would we be if that happened? Would it have been good or bad? I'm gonna go start a topic about this now, actually.....
Anyway, yeah, I'd rank him as influential, but less than the Beatles.
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 20:08 |
hendrix is only one of a few" best rock guitarists ",but perhaps the best improviser of them all. 
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Posted: May 04 2005 at 04:44 |
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