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    Posted: January 24 2008 at 03:36
The subject of adding an album before its official release, since/if we know all the infos on it, is already old, controversial, distressing. New cases like Oldfield, Ayreon, Mars Volta or so already make me forget about older ones...

I don't have the strength to recommend a total rejection of this "policy", but fortunately, more recently empty rates and unfounded reviews that are written to such albums are being moderated.

Instead I was thinking of a practical thing: if we still add an album before its time, let us mention, in bold,bright letters, when the album will officially be released.

Taking, just as an example, Silver Mt. Zion's new 13 Blues, I think that if we add something like this:

13 Blues for Thirteen Moons

by A SILVER MT. ZION

Studio Album, released in 2008

OFFICIAL RELEASE DATE: MARCH 10 2008 (EUROPE), MARCH 25 2008 (WORLDWIDE)

Track Listings


1. (untitled)
2. (untitled)
3. (untitled)
4. (untitled)
5. (untitled)
6. (untitled)
7. (untitled)
8. (untitled)
9. (untitled)
10. (untitled)
11. (untitled)
12. (untitled)
13. 1,000,000 Died to Make This Sound (14:43)
14. 13 Blues For Thirteen Moons (16:46)
15. Black Waters Blowed/Engine Broke Blues (13:08)
16. BlindBlindBlind (13:18)


we would make an improvement on accepting the album's pre-addition, plus on keeping it clean enough, by making it clear the difference between snatching it through a download and getting the album, upon/after its official date of release.

For one thing:
1. if adding an album is a problem, it wouldn't be, at least,a rough one, since we specifically mention when the album will officially arrive
2. if a person is confronted with the sight of the album being added before its time, and with some reviews being written on it, he'll still have a clear idea when the album is officially coming (I personally tend to forget when the new Oldfield or such will officially appear, just because I've seen it on PA for ages, plus some people already reviewed it)


Edited by Ricochet - January 24 2008 at 03:37
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 03:44
On the other hand, let me say that this case (http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=17656) is abusive or simply irresponsible. The policy is clear, I believe, if you have all the infos on the new album (tracklist, cover, musicians, record label), you can add the band. Ermm
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 04:13
A great proposal Rico. Let's do it.
 
Re the Caamora addition, I was going to remove it pending details being available, but it looks like it might actually have been Rony who added it.
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 04:47
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

A great proposal Rico. Let's do it.
 
Re the Caamora addition, I was going to remove it pending details being available, but it looks like it might actually have been Rony who added it.


That doesn't change the facts, I'd say - though you once mentioned members who are not registered and add albums or facts might be credited as "Prog Lucky" - not sure how is that possible, then again...

Prog Lucky - or the person who's credited as "Prog Lucky" Tongue - has itself a tendency to add bands, albums and such without much consultance or announcements. Sometimes those bands are added without bio, other times they're just added without Teams or Collaborators knowing much about.

For the safety issue here, I'd say remove She until we have the tracklist and the full musicianship credits.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 13:48
Since you have to be logged in to add albums now, the addition shoudl appear under the member name. I think it's only if the album is added using the admin facility that it defaults to "proglucky".
 
On balance, ti looks like it probably was Rony, he does add the occasional album. Since it's his (and M@x's) site, I ain't gonna tell him he can't do it!
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Points: 17658 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2008 at 09:06
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Since you have to be logged in to add albums now, the addition shoudl appear under the member name. I think it's only if the album is added using the admin facility that it defaults to "proglucky".


That's it exactly, Bob!


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I think there is a big difference between adding an album and reviewing it. Adding can safely be done, as soon as it is officially announced; reviewing however should be prohibited before the album is officially released.


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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2008 at 09:18
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I think there is a big difference between adding an album and reviewing it. Adding can safely be done, as soon as it is officially announced; reviewing however should be prohibited before the album is officially released.


Problem is they can't.

I would rather suggest we let people who credibly got a copy of the album through download, pre-order or such review the album - and moderate the fools that rate and review it without having heard it.

Said otherwise, I would suggest we make it clear when the album will officially be available instead of putting a lock on the album until the date comes. As far as the site and the way of reviews goes at this point, it's easier.


Edited by Ricochet - January 25 2008 at 09:19
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