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    Posted: February 23 2008 at 12:45
I don't think it really warrants a new topic, but on the subject of non-collab reviews, I noticed that they are listed from most recent to oldest, while the collabs' reviews go from oldest to most recent.
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As previously mentioned, M@x is aware that further improvements are needed, and is committed to making them. Please be patient.

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Points: 1184 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2008 at 17:01
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Right after nearly half of people vote that collaborator reviews shouldn't count any more than a regular review, this shows up.Wacko
 
Democracy, my friend, is a privilege... not a right.... and this website's owner hasn't given you that privilege....

This is the "Help improve the site" section, not the "Advocate degeneracy" section.Shocked

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Anyway, as always: make those non-collab reviews readable, put them back like before (all reviews in full) but those who collaborate or write constant reviews, well, they deserve their opinions to matter more.... we're not saying it's necessarily a better opinion... but hell! It matters more!


So it's not better, but it's better?Confused

Let's not beat around the bush here: you can say that they're better, or you can say that they are given priority as reciprocation for contributions. I read from your message that you say that they are indeed better (assumedly on the basis that collaborators are more reliable sources, from your use of the term "matters"). Am I wrong?

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Right after nearly half of people vote that collaborator reviews shouldn't count any more than a regular review, this shows up.Wacko


see Bob's post above. .it wasn't a meant as a mean of disrespect..LOL


Simply a matter of poor timing (among other things). Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 05:44
May I say a word on this as an 'outsider'?

Firstly, less shown reviews is a good thing when looking at popular albums.

Secondly, as the outsiders reviews and ratings matters less and their visibility is cut down
   - it's not really a thing that supports outsiders to write proper reviews, they easily becomes poor, because they don't matter. Including my own reviews. The only thing to achieve with a review is the necessary wordcount to get more weight on rating.
   - it paints a picture of this site as an insiders place where occasional reviewer is an outsider, not necessary so welcome.
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Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Right after nearly half of people vote that collaborator reviews shouldn't count any more than a regular review, this shows up.Wacko
 
Democracy, my friend, is a privilege... not a right.... and this website's owner hasn't given you that privilege....
 
Anyway, as always: make those non-collab reviews readable, put them back like before (all reviews in full) but those who collaborate or write constant reviews, well, they deserve their opinions to matter more.... we're not saying it's necessarily a better opinion... but hell! It matters more!
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 21:10
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Right after nearly half of people vote that collaborator reviews shouldn't count any more than a regular review, this shows up.Wacko


see Bob's post above. .it wasn't a meant as a mean of disrespect..LOL
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Points: 1184 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:49
Right after nearly half of people vote that collaborator reviews shouldn't count any more than a regular review, this shows up.Wacko
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I strongly agreed with the disadvantage of 'normal reviews" being shortened down to a few lines since the layout has changed. Perhaps there is no problem in spliting Collaborators from Members vertically (instead of horizontally), but, IMHO, you cannot under any circumstances put the most of a member's review under a "read more" link/function.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 03:41
Originally posted by ZowieZiggy ZowieZiggy wrote:

I have already mentioned in another thread how much I disliked the new way of displaying reviews. It is just not fair I think. IMHHO it is the best way to discouraged people posting their reviews and this made the richness of the site. When I see all these reactions against the new layout, I really wonder why this change was implemented.

How was this handled? Discussions ? Empiric decisions of a single person?

Hope to get this answered.
 
some bullet points:
- It was M@x's decision, it is his site
- There has been discussion over the years about the previous presentation. Many felt it was impractical for albums with a lot of reviews. Some older PCs and dial up connections struggled to display the info.
- There have been a number of discussions in the collabs area about how it could be improved.
- The band pages show the latest reviews regardless of who wrote them
- M@x is aware of the shortcoming of the present layout, and will make further changes. Unfortunately, he has a real life too!
- There has in fact not been much negative feedback. A few have said a lot about it, but given the number of people who submit reviews, it is a small proportion. The number of reviews coming is has not declined.
- The changes were part of a bigger upgrade which improved the performance of the site and made it more secure. It's not a simple question of going back to what we had
- In any case, was what we had really the best way anyway?
- There are  lot of things which people are saying need to be done first. Clearly, everything cannot be done first. The number one priority will always be the security and continuity of the site. Unfortunately, all the work done by M@x on that side of things is transparent to the members.
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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2008 at 21:59
I'm no expert, but I can't imagine that M@X wouldn't have the code for the old album page on a hard drive somewhere.  I don't think it would be an easy fix, but I can't imagine it being a terribly difficult one if he's got the code for the page.  

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Yes, but there are not that many albums with enough reviews to significantly lag anyone's loading time.  Besides, the reviews are all text, so they load fairly quickly even when they're quite long.  Even so, a slightly shorter load time for the Thick as a Brick page hardly justifies hiding people's hard work.  It significantly discourages reviewing for those who are not collaborators; I know that when I was a 3-star, I stopped writing reviews the moment I saw the new album page (admittedly, I never was a very strong reviewer).  

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Points: 3613 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2008 at 19:39
Just a wild guess, but a page with 700 reviews takes longer to load and uses up more resources than a page with 12 reviews. I think the pages with hundreds of reviews load quicker now using this new display simply because they may only display 1/2 to maybe 1/4 as many reviews as before.

I could be wrong, but resource usage always plays some role in the way large sites are designed.
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Points: 311 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2008 at 19:06

I have already mentioned in another thread how much I disliked the new way of displaying reviews. It is just not fair I think. IMHHO it is the best way to discouraged people posting their reviews and this made the richness of the site. When I see all these reactions against the new layout, I really wonder why this change was implemented.

How was this handled? Discussions ? Empiric decisions of a single person?

Hope to get this answered.
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Points: 840 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2008 at 01:22
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

*cough*non collabs can log into the collab zone just like collabs and edit their reviews*cough*

But yes, I agree with Micky, the old system of collab reviews on top and the rest underneath is much better than collab reviews dominating with 2 sentences of a few non-collab reviews off to the side. 

How does one do this? Embarrassed


On the front page, click "Collab zone" and then log in with your forum credentials where it says "log in" near the top of the page.  There, you're free to edit your reviews as you please. 


Haha I've noticed this before but it didn't actually edit anything...it just made me feel like i could edit stuff Broken%20Heart

at least that was the last time I tried (a while ago)

Edit:  I may have been wrong about that last statement....hehe....


Edited by asimplemistake - January 22 2008 at 01:33
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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2008 at 18:08
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

*cough*non collabs can log into the collab zone just like collabs and edit their reviews*cough*

But yes, I agree with Micky, the old system of collab reviews on top and the rest underneath is much better than collab reviews dominating with 2 sentences of a few non-collab reviews off to the side. 

How does one do this? Embarrassed


On the front page, click "Collab zone" and then log in with your forum credentials where it says "log in" near the top of the page.  There, you're free to edit your reviews as you please. 

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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2008 at 03:59
There are already threads relating to this. The problem with another new on starting is that the discussion becomes fragmented.
 
M@x is aware that there are a number of issues with the changes which were made to the site. These however were part of a major upgrade to the site, which included behind the scenes improvements to improve security etc. It is not simply therefore a question of going back to the old way, further development work is now required. M@x is working on this, but as will all of us, sometimes the time available to him is less than others.
 
I don't think he will go back to the old way completely with the way the reviews are displayed, but there will be improvements coming. Unfortunately, at this stage we cannot say when.
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Points: 2755 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2008 at 02:35
I too would prefer to go back to the previous way of displaying reviews.
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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

*cough*non collabs can log into the collab zone just like collabs and edit their reviews*cough*

But yes, I agree with Micky, the old system of collab reviews on top and the rest underneath is much better than collab reviews dominating with 2 sentences of a few non-collab reviews off to the side. 

How does one do this? Embarrassed
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Points: 8844 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2008 at 22:20
*cough*non collabs can log into the collab zone just like collabs and edit their reviews*cough*

But yes, I agree with Micky, the old system of collab reviews on top and the rest underneath is much better than collab reviews dominating with 2 sentences of a few non-collab reviews off to the side. 

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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2008 at 21:10
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

^ yes and no.... prog reviewers are promoted with good reason.. and the only 'perk' they have is having their reviews get top billing.

The way it was....  collabs top ... and non collabs below... but with FULL reviews was the best way. 

They also get editing, huge perk in my opinion.
And I agree, the old way is best.


hahahhahah.. not a perk but a necessity for us old farts... the mind sometimes slips or wanders when you are writing.  LOL 
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