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    Posted: December 28 2007 at 05:03
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 I listen to mostly Symhonic, Art(mainly "eclectic " and "heavy"), Prog and Tech/Extreme metal.
I would like to hear more RIO, Zeuhl, Prog Folk, Italian Prog.
 
The Krautrock,Electronis and Post/Math Rock samples leave me generally quite cold.
 
 
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Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I often prefer to do my lists in topics I create after others too (else everyone just ends up debating my choices before listing their own).

Glad to hear you enjoyed Magma.  Since you like metal, I might suggest you start with groups like Taal, Kayo Dot, Mr. Bungle, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and Estradaspere.  Wait, on second thought, get Hoyry Kone's Houno Parturi, Miriodor's Mekano and try John Zorn's naked City.  Maybe Taal first.  Then I suggest Present and Univers Zero, Boredoms so many.  Koenjihayakkei is a good modern Zeuhl band to try (Angherr Shisppa), and Eskaton and Dun are good old ones to try.  U Totem is one I love in Avant.  In Krautrock, Amon Duul II, Faust, Can.  I still don't know Krautrock well enough.

If you appreciate fusion then, there are a ton of avant bands to choose from.

 Miriodor might be a good one to start with, and I think Mr. Bungle might be a great one to try (might check out the samples).  It's such a varied category.

That's just stuff off the top of my head. 
 
I would also second Taal, Estradasphere, or SGM as great starting points. Mr. Bungle is good too, but it's tougher on the ears. Huono Parturi is amazing, but impossible to find unless you download.


That makes sense to me.  Anyway, even if acquiring Huono Parturi proves difficult (the lack of availability on CD being very sad because it is a great album -- masterpiece), I recommend that people listen the streaming mp3 at this site ("Karhunkaato") -- see HÖYRY-KONE -- which is, in my opinion, a superb track (though I might be more likely to suggest "Terva-Antti Ku" as a starter track for DT fans... hmm...).  Then on to Present, Univers Zero etc. etc.  But Taal is a band that is very popular here, and a good for both getting metalheads into other styles and others into metal.  Estradasphere is excellent.  And of course I should mention Alamailmaan Vasarat (which grew out of Hoyry-Kone).  And EDIT (just glanced at my post), I really should spell Alamaailman Vasarat right if I'm going to mention it at all. LOL




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Best: Most Prog, I just like good musicality period
 
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Progressive Electronic
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I often prefer to do my lists in topics I create after others too (else everyone just ends up debating my choices before listing their own).

Glad to hear you enjoyed Magma.  Since you like metal, I might suggest you start with groups like Taal, Kayo Dot, Mr. Bungle, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and Estradaspere.  Wait, on second thought, get Hoyry Kone's Houno Parturi, Miriodor's Mekano and try John Zorn's naked City.  Maybe Taal first.  Then I suggest Present and Univers Zero, Boredoms so many.  Koenjihayakkei is a good modern Zeuhl band to try (Angherr Shisppa), and Eskaton and Dun are good old ones to try.  U Totem is one I love in Avant.  In Krautrock, Amon Duul II, Faust, Can.  I still don't know Krautrock well enough.

If you appreciate fusion then, there are a ton of avant bands to choose from.

 Miriodor might be a good one to start with, and I think Mr. Bungle might be a great one to try (might check out the samples).  It's such a varied category.

That's just stuff off the top of my head. 
 
I would also second Taal, Estradasphere, or SGM as great starting points. Mr. Bungle is good too, but it's tougher on the ears. Huono Parturi is amazing, but impossible to find unless you download.
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Favourites:
Avant/RIO
Zeuhl
Eclectic
 
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Neo-Prog
Prog Metal (the other new subcategories are great, though)
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Thank you very much! I consider these recommendations as your Christmas gift for me! Wink
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I often prefer to do my lists in topics I create after others too (else everyone just ends up debating my choices before listing their own).

Glad to hear you enjoyed Magma.  Since you like metal, I might suggest you start with groups like Taal, Kayo Dot, Mr. Bungle, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and Estradaspere.  Wait, on second thought, get Hoyry Kone's Houno Parturi, Miriodor's Mekano and try John Zorn's naked City.  Maybe Taal first.  Then I suggest Present and Univers Zero, Boredoms so many.  Koenjihayakkei is a good modern Zeuhl band to try (Angherr Shisppa), and Eskaton and Dun are good old ones to try.  U Totem is one I love in Avant.  In Krautrock, Amon Duul II, Faust, Can.  I still don't know Krautrock well enough.

If you appreciate fusion then, there are a ton of avant bands to choose from.

 Miriodor might be a good one to start with, and I think Mr. Bungle might be a great one to try (might check out the samples).  It's such a varied category.

That's just stuff off the top of my head. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2007 at 10:24
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Aeternus Aeternus wrote:

This is only about "taste". Name your favorite prog genres first, and then those that you can't stand of. Wink


Are you planning to list yours?


Yeah, sure. I always like to let others post their opinions first.

Favorites:
Neo-prog
Prog metal
Fusion
Heavy prog
Electronic prog
Symphonic prog
Space rock
Tech/Extreme prog
Crossover prog
Prog-related

Least fav:
Prog folk

I really haven't explored Zeuhl (I saw a dream two days before, I was listening to Magma on a radio, and I enjoyed them alot!), RIO/Avant, Krautrock... I will appreciate some recommendations...
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Favirote
Post rock.metal
Symph
Tech metal
 
 
Havent listend to enough to have a least favirote.
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Favorite:

Neo      ^__^
Space
Symph
Electronic
Post-anything
All but really extreme prog metal
Canterbury

Good but not necessarily favorite:

Eclectic prog
Krautrock

Rather indifferent to:

Folk
Raga

Hit or Miss:

Avant
Zeuhl
Fusion



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Originally posted by Aeternus Aeternus wrote:

This is only about "taste". Name your favorite prog genres first, and then those that you can't stand of. Wink


Are you planning to list yours?
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Originally posted by Hirgwath Hirgwath wrote:

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None of this is universal, of course. I guess I find most prog metal a bit overblown, but I love exuberant music of any type. I listened to punk and generic rock when I was younger, so I guess it makes sense.


Not that so-called Proggers need to or should like music from the all the Prog categories at this site, but, as a common trait of "Prog" is the blending of genres, there are, of course, bands/ albums that can really help one to cross over to, and appreciate, other categories here.

Perhaps for another thread, but I've always thought that it might be a useful exercise suggesting bands/ albums that may help one to better appreciate other categories (for instance, a Symph album that could also be tagged as Avant, or a Neo-Prog band that could also be tagged as folk etc.  Eclectic's got a wide variety of good examples, unsurprisingly).  Of course it helps to have a good knowledge of the bands that a person likes and dislikes, and a good understanding of the qualities someone admires in Prog.  Can open one's ears to whole new worlds.  I imagine that most of our tastes evolve over time as we become exposed to more (no matter what age we are).

Of course we'll all have least liked and most liked, and I'm sure that many, like with me, have found that their favourite categories/ genres/ subgenres tend to change depending on whatever one is particularly into at any given time (brains get rewired for different types).
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Favourite
Neo-Prog
Prog-Metal
Symphonic Prog
Art Rock (Eclectic Prog/Crossover Prog)
Space Rock
Post Rock
Prog Folk

Least Favourite
Avant/RIO
Zeuhl
Jazz Rock
Krautrock
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Favorites:
Eclectic prog (KC and GG)
Experimental Post Metal (Isis)
Post/math-rock (Sigur Ros, Don Caballero, Dillinger Escape Plan)
Heavy Prog (Rush)
Psychedelic/Space rock (Pink Floyd)
Tech/Extreme Prog Metal (Gojira, Mastodon)

Least Favorite:
Neo-progressive
Prog Metal

None of this is universal, of course. I guess I find most prog metal a bit overblown, but I love exuberant music of any type. I listened to punk and generic rock when I was younger, so I guess it makes sense.


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i don't have any indo or zeuhl so i can't judge those. i'd say my favourites are eclectic and symph.

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Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

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Zeuhl
Not to put you on the spot, but just out of curiosity, how many Zeuhl bands have you tried, and what is it about the albums/ streaming mp3s/ bands from the category that you don't like?


Hmm, I don't really have a favourite/least favourite subgenre, because there's enough music to like and dislike from all of them, but, statistically speaking, Zeuhl would be my least favourite subgenre as well, mainly because it is, to a large extent, about Magma.


Well, yeah, fair enough, Magma is the core band.  Magma IS Zeuhl.  I actually find a fair variety in Magma's albums.  Some people dislike MDK, for instance, but love Kohntarkosz, Udu Wudu and Kobaia.  Some people dislike Magma, but love Dun, Weidorje, or Eskaton etc.  Though i've liked Magma muchly since I first heard the band, I was once a bigger fan of non-Magma Zeuhl and Zeuhl-related bands.

It's the one category where I happen to be a completist (Canterbury to quite an extent too).
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:



Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

Least
Zeuhl
Not to put you on the spot, but just out of curiosity, how many Zeuhl bands have you tried, and what is it about the albums/ streaming mp3s/ bands from the category that you don't like?


Hmm, I don't really have a favourite/least favourite subgenre, because there's enough music to like and dislike from all of them, but, statistically speaking, Zeuhl would be my least favourite subgenre as well, mainly because it is, to a large extent, about Magma.
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Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:



Least
Zeuhl


Not to put you on the spot, but just out of curiosity, how many Zeuhl bands have you tried, and what is it about the albums/ streaming mp3s/ bands from the category that you don't like?


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There is music I like from every category.  I'll also add a band from each that I love: Kind of  weird the way I ordered this.  The genres and bands I particularly like are avant, jazz, and/ or folk oriented; whereas the ones I like least are thrashy and, or slick, AOR,, and or Emo inspired.  Several in my bottom list have many favourite bands and albums, but I wanted to do nine in each list.

Favourites with some favourite bands:

RiO/ Avant (Vortex)
Zeuhl (Magma)
Canterbury (Picchio dal Pozzo)
Prog Folk (Comus)
Krautrock (Faust)
Jazz/ Rock Fusion (Area)
Eclectic (Gnidrolog)
Electronic (Philippe Besombes)
ISP (Banco del Mutuo Soccorso)

Lesser faves with favourite bands (from least fave category to very well liked):

Neo-Prog (Discipline)
Prog Metal (Indukti -- love lots of music with a  metal component -- e.g. Hoyry Kone, Taal, and Estradasphere)
Crossover (McDonald and Giles)
Post-Rock/ Math Rock (Godspeed You Black Emperor)
Heavy Prog (Gravy Train)
Psych/Space (Far East Family Band)
Indo/ Raga (Codona)
Symph (Arachnoid -- one of my all time faves, actually French symph ranks very highly for me especially when it's avantish.  Shylock da bomb too).

Definitely I'm more avant oriented, and generally appreciate a strong jazz component and/ or folk component.

EDIT: I sometimes describe my favourite progressive music as chamber music.  Be great if people would also say which elements appeal most, and appeal the least.


Edited by Logan - December 23 2007 at 14:24
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