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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:10
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:



Why is that Snow Dog?

As I said earlier, it jusr seems a juvenile, schoolboy type of idea...what is the point?


To show people your all time favorite album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:14
^ the more albums you know, the more difficult it gets to just pick one favorite. It just becomes a random selection between albums that you like equally well, and mentioning one of them while leaving the others out tells you nothing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:15
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:



Why is that Snow Dog?

As I said earlier, it jusr seems a juvenile, schoolboy type of idea...what is the point?


To show people your all time favorite album.


Exactly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:20
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ the more albums you know, the more difficult it gets to just pick one favorite. It just becomes a random selection between albums that you like equally well, and mentioning one of them while leaving the others out tells you nothing.

    
Maybe it should be the album that affected you most then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:28
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ the more albums you know, the more difficult it gets to just pick one favorite. It just becomes a random selection between albums that you like equally well, and mentioning one of them while leaving the others out tells you nothing.

    
Maybe it should be the album that affected you most then.


Impossible to tell. Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:47
I agree with SnowDog and Mike. Your favorite album changes from time to time in my opinion, so if you use it too quick you might regret it later.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:50
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ the more albums you know, the more difficult it gets to just pick one favorite. It just becomes a random selection between albums that you like equally well, and mentioning one of them while leaving the others out tells you nothing.

    
Maybe it should be the album that affected you most then.
Impossible to tell.


Well then I guess I have no idea what the 6 star review would be used for. IT still is a cool idea.
Maybe for masterpieces of prog?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:57
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ the more albums you know, the more difficult it gets to just pick one favorite. It just becomes a random selection between albums that you like equally well, and mentioning one of them while leaving the others out tells you nothing.

    
Maybe it should be the album that affected you most then.
Impossible to tell.


Well then I guess I have no idea what the 6 star review would be used for. IT still is a cool idea.
Maybe for masterpieces of prog?


Which are?LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 08:59
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ the more albums you know, the more difficult it gets to just pick one favorite. It just becomes a random selection between albums that you like equally well, and mentioning one of them while leaving the others out tells you nothing.

    
Maybe it should be the album that affected you most then.
Impossible to tell.


Well then I guess I have no idea what the 6 star review would be used for. IT still is a cool idea.
Maybe for masterpieces of prog?
Which are?

    
The one you think is a masterpiece? I don't know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 09:32
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:


Well then I guess I have no idea what the 6 star review would be used for. IT still is a cool idea.
Maybe for masterpieces of prog?


Of course a general problem of introducing an extra star is: what about the existing ratings? Should we do a mass mailing, informing people that they have to adjust their ratings?

On my website I recently introduced a way to submit more fine grained ratings in the top 10% area:


instead of
0% 5% 10% 15% 20% ... 95% 100%

people can now choose from
0% 20% 40% 50% 60% 65% 70% 75% 80% 85% 90% 91% 92% 93% ... 99% 100%


So rather than extending the existing scale to 110% or 120% you can add more subdivisions in the upper area. Translated to the archives this would mean:

rather than adding a 6th star, introduce a step between 4 and 5 stars (4.5 stars). Old ratings still become less accurate (we don't know whether someone who rated 4 or 5 stars would have chosen 4.5 stars had it then existed), but on average the meaning stays the same.

Any comments?Wink



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 09:40
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:



Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Well then I guess I have no idea what the 6 star review would be used for. IT still is a cool idea.
Maybe for masterpieces of prog?
Of course a general problem of introducing an extra star is: what about the existing ratings? Should we do a mass mailing, informing people that they have to adjust their ratings?On my website I recently introduced a way to submit more fine grained ratings in the top 10% area:instead of 0% 5% 10% 15% 20% ... 95% 100%people can now choose from0% 20% 40% 50% 60% 65% 70% 75% 80% 85% 90% 91% 92% 93% ... 99% 100%So rather than extending the existing scale to 110% or 120% you can add more subdivisions in the upper area. Translated to the archives this would mean:rather than adding a 6th star, introduce a step between 4 and 5 stars (4.5 stars). Old ratings still become less accurate (we don't know whether someone who rated 4 or 5 stars would have chosen 4.5 stars had it then existed), but on average the meaning stays the same. Any comments?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 10:02
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:



Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Well then I guess I have no idea what the 6 star review would be used for. IT still is a cool idea.
Maybe for masterpieces of prog?
Of course a general problem of introducing an extra star is: what about the existing ratings? Should we do a mass mailing, informing people that they have to adjust their ratings?On my website I recently introduced a way to submit more fine grained ratings in the top 10% area:instead of 0% 5% 10% 15% 20% ... 95% 100%people can now choose from0% 20% 40% 50% 60% 65% 70% 75% 80% 85% 90% 91% 92% 93% ... 99% 100%So rather than extending the existing scale to 110% or 120% you can add more subdivisions in the upper area. Translated to the archives this would mean:rather than adding a 6th star, introduce a step between 4 and 5 stars (4.5 stars). Old ratings still become less accurate (we don't know whether someone who rated 4 or 5 stars would have chosen 4.5 stars had it then existed), but on average the meaning stays the same. Any comments?

    
That was the other thread I was going to start... progarchives definitely needs a 4.5 star option. As is, I feel hardpressed to pick between4 and 5 for an album that I think is not a masterpiece, but is more special than just your average four star album (Aqualung, Fragile, Felona E Sorona, among others).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2006 at 10:09
Originally posted by inpraiseoffolly inpraiseoffolly wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:



Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Well then I guess I have no idea what the 6 star review would be used for. IT still is a cool idea.
Maybe for masterpieces of prog?
Of course a general problem of introducing an extra star is: what about the existing ratings? Should we do a mass mailing, informing people that they have to adjust their ratings?On my website I recently introduced a way to submit more fine grained ratings in the top 10% area:instead of 0% 5% 10% 15% 20% ... 95% 100%people can now choose from0% 20% 40% 50% 60% 65% 70% 75% 80% 85% 90% 91% 92% 93% ... 99% 100%So rather than extending the existing scale to 110% or 120% you can add more subdivisions in the upper area. Translated to the archives this would mean:rather than adding a 6th star, introduce a step between 4 and 5 stars (4.5 stars). Old ratings still become less accurate (we don't know whether someone who rated 4 or 5 stars would have chosen 4.5 stars had it then existed), but on average the meaning stays the same. Any comments?

    
That was the other thread I was going to start... progarchives definitely needs a 4.5 star option. As is, I feel hardpressed to pick between4 and 5 for an album that I think is not a masterpiece, but is more special than just your average four star album (Aqualung, Fragile, Felona E Sorona, among others).


So accept the pressure and make a choice. The fact that many other people will do the trick by averaging things out.

To help you save some time: I joined before summer and have seen discussions on this topic since then, all to the same effect. Nothing changes, because of the huge impact of changing everything now, after several years of reviewing. Frankly, I don't care - I found many great albums just by filtering out the 4 and 5 star reviews, and many others by listening to a 3 star anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2006 at 06:56
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

`^  of course. I was only thinking like Spinal tap ("ours goes to 11!")



Actually, this is the easy solution...members should be encouraged to think of a fifth star as a rare and special thing, whereas now they're simply discouraged from using it. Marty DiBergi was right!
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2006 at 07:52
I wouldn't be satisfied with a 4.5 only. I'd like 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, 4.7, 4.8 and 4.9. All showing four stars of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2006 at 08:20
^ why should a "4.9" show as "4"? I mean, it's not what people would expect.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2006 at 15:58

I think I know what "folly is trying to say (note: I haven't read any posts on this topic) there are a couple of albums that you want everyone to know are extraordinarily good in your own opinion, and 6 stars would illustrate this.

 

However I’m not particularly fond of the idea. 120% for an album just doesn’t make sense.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:48
I'm in favor of the addition of a 4.5 star rating too... but in this case I would tend to rate almost every album with 4.5 stars :/
About the 6 star rating hmm... would be hard to choose, and subject to change.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:10
4.5 stars is much better than 6 stars, because us all being logical people, we know that it is impossible to give an album 120%. Seriously.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2006 at 12:57
Introducing of .5 stars ratings seems logical and more accurate to me. Actually this is "number of points out of ten" system, which is in my opinion more suitable when evaluating an album.
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