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The T 
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 Topic: Good guys or The Dark Side in movies...
Posted: December 18 2006 at 19:33 |
Useless, but again, what poll isn't?
I always side with the Dracula type of Dark foes: Sauron, Darth Vader, Skeletor, Dr. Hell, Cobra, Baron Ashler, but mostly with the Prince of Darkness. I don't like the regular crooks a lot, and heroes... they're just too annoying and idolized for me. I hate any idolized thing....
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 20:21 |
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I'm not a fan of the traditional Hollywood movie with the good guys coming out on top. I enjoy semi-realistic movies better. Its best when there is no clear view of who is good and who is bad, because thats the way things really are. No one is really good and who the f*ck am I to say who's good and bad.
I watched Fargo recently, thats a good example of what I'm talking about, no one is "good" they're all kinda bad some just seem worse, at least on the surface.
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ResidentAlien
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 20:29 |
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Conflict doesn't always have to arise out of a battle of good versus evil. That's nothing but a cheap tool for people who want to market a story. Any good story teller can find other ways to build conflict instead of relying on clear black and white stereotypes.
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The T
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 20:53 |
Man, if there's something that seems odd to me, is when poeple have to over-analyze everything and treat everything like life-or-death matter... IT's A STUPID QUESTION, NOT AN ANALYSIS ABOUT MOVIES AND HOLLYWOOD. Believe me, i'm probably a bigger cinemaphile than you, I have watched hundreds of movies, my father is an artist/cinematographer, so It's not that I LOVE John Woo films.... I also like deeper characters and in reality, none is 100% bad or 100% wrong, but THIS IS A POLL FOR FUN. Geez! 
Admin: please close and erase this poll, it's not SERIOUS OR DEEP enough...
 Love you anyway. If you love prog, that is.
Edited by The T - December 18 2006 at 20:57
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Peter
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 21:12 |
The good guys. 
People who try to improve our world. People who might well be flawed, but deserve respect, because they strive to act with honour, keep their word, and defend the weak or innocent.
That's why I like Victorian novels, "costume dramas" and movies like Master and Commander. Issues of honour, of what it means to be a respectable person, tend to be central to them.
Truly siding with evil (beyond laughingly cheering them on in silly movies) would mean that someone was a very nasty person whom I really wouldn't care to know.
Always the light, always hope. This ideal is reflected in my musical tastes as well.
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 21:22 |
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It really depends. As long as the good/bad characters are well-developed and not cliche, I'm happy.
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:19 |
 The T wrote:
Man, if there's something that seems odd to me, is when poeple have to over-analyze everything and treat everything like life-or-death matter... IT's A STUPID QUESTION, NOT AN ANALYSIS ABOUT MOVIES AND HOLLYWOOD. Believe me, i'm probably a bigger cinemaphile than you, I have watched hundreds of movies, my father is an artist/cinematographer, so It's not that I LOVE John Woo films.... I also like deeper characters and in reality, none is 100% bad or 100% wrong, but THIS IS A POLL FOR FUN. Geez! [IMG]height=17 alt=Angry src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
Admin: please close and erase this poll, it's not SERIOUS OR DEEP enough...
[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> Love you anyway. If you love prog, that is. [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
If you wanted a silly thread why did you ask a good question. I for one enjoy films very much, I watch all sorts of movies: romance, action, drama, comedy, cartoon, independent etc etc etc.
I enjoy films much like I do music (but not to the same extent) so I like to analyze and figure out what my preferences are in specific examples. I always love a good conversation about films (intelligent or silly) and you asked a mildly entertaining question which can be answered quite seriously.
I should have known with your personal posting history that this was only silly, but I thought you might be coming around I guess. The original post does not seem entirely silly.
I hope this isn't closed as you requested because it can still make a good discussion.
don't be upset 
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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The T
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:24 |
video vertigo wrote:
The T wrote:
Man, if there's something that seems odd to me, is when poeple have to over-analyze everything and treat everything like life-or-death matter... IT's A STUPID QUESTION, NOT AN ANALYSIS ABOUT MOVIES AND HOLLYWOOD. Believe me, i'm probably a bigger cinemaphile than you, I have watched hundreds of movies, my father is an artist/cinematographer, so It's not that I LOVE John Woo films.... I also like deeper characters and in reality, none is 100% bad or 100% wrong, but THIS IS A POLL FOR FUN. Geez! [IMG]height=17 alt=Angry src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
Admin: please close and erase this poll, it's not SERIOUS OR DEEP enough...
[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> Love you anyway. If you love prog, that is. [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
If you wanted a silly thread why did you ask a good question. I for one enjoy films very much, I watch all sorts of movies: romance, action, drama, comedy, cartoon, independent etc etc etc.
I enjoy films much like I do music (but not to the same extent) so I like to analyze and figure out what my preferences are in specific examples. I always love a good conversation about films (intelligent or silly) and you asked a mildly entertaining question which can be answered quite seriously.
I should have known with your personal posting history that this was only silly, but I thought you might be coming around I guess. The original post does not seem entirely silly.
I hope this isn't closed as you requested because it can still make a good discussion.
don't be upset |
No I'm not. I'm filled with anger. I hate you. I dispise you. Argggg!!!!
No, of course you're right. It could be a good discussion. So let's not kill it.
But what's that about my posting history? I post some bombs every now and then, but also the good stuff...
I just put those one-side options because, really, we all know none is 100% good or 100% evil, so all of these characters i took mostly from sci-fi and action-adventure flicks where character development is not that great nor that necessary. But we all love our MAns With No Names as Lione gave us....
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progadicto
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:28 |
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I'm with the guy (good or bad) who kisses the girl... That's the real hero!!!
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... E N E L B U N K E R...
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:50 |
The T wrote:
video vertigo wrote:
The T wrote:
Man, if there's something that seems odd to me, is when poeple have to over-analyze everything and treat everything like life-or-death matter... IT's A STUPID QUESTION, NOT AN ANALYSIS ABOUT MOVIES AND HOLLYWOOD. Believe me, i'm probably a bigger cinemaphile than you, I have watched hundreds of movies, my father is an artist/cinematographer, so It's not that I LOVE John Woo films.... I also like deeper characters and in reality, none is 100% bad or 100% wrong, but THIS IS A POLL FOR FUN. Geez! [IMG]height=17 alt=Angry src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
Admin: please close and erase this poll, it's not SERIOUS OR DEEP enough...
[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> Love you anyway. If you love prog, that is. [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
If you wanted a silly thread why did you ask a good question. I for one enjoy films very much, I watch all sorts of movies: romance, action, drama, comedy, cartoon, independent etc etc etc. I enjoy films much like I do music (but not to the same extent) so I like to analyze and figure out what my preferences are in specific examples. I always love a good conversation about films (intelligent or silly) and you asked a mildly entertaining question which can be answered quite seriously. I should have known with your personal posting history that this was only silly, but I thought you might be coming around I guess. The original post does not seem entirely silly. I hope this isn't closed as you requested because it can still make a good discussion. don't be upset [IMG]smileys/smiley31.gif" align=middle> |
No I'm not. I'm filled with anger. I hate you. I dispise you. Argggg!!!! [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
No, of course you're right. It could be a good discussion. So let's not kill it.
But what's that about my posting history? [IMG]height=17 alt=Angry src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> I post some bombs every now and then, but also the good stuff...[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
I just put those one-side options because, really, we all know none is 100% good or 100% evil, so all of these characters i took mostly from sci-fi and action-adventure flicks where character development is not that great nor that necessary. But we all love our MAns With No Names as Lione gave us.... [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
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all i meant about your posting history is that you make a lot of silly threads. 
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The T
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 23:59 |
video vertigo wrote:
The T wrote:
video vertigo wrote:
The T wrote:
Man, if there's something that seems odd to me, is when poeple have to over-analyze everything and treat everything like life-or-death matter... IT's A STUPID QUESTION, NOT AN ANALYSIS ABOUT MOVIES AND HOLLYWOOD. Believe me, i'm probably a bigger cinemaphile than you, I have watched hundreds of movies, my father is an artist/cinematographer, so It's not that I LOVE John Woo films.... I also like deeper characters and in reality, none is 100% bad or 100% wrong, but THIS IS A POLL FOR FUN. Geez! [IMG]height=17 alt=Angry src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
Admin: please close and erase this poll, it's not SERIOUS OR DEEP enough...
[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> Love you anyway. If you love prog, that is. [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
If you wanted a silly thread why did you ask a good question. I for one enjoy films very much, I watch all sorts of movies: romance, action, drama, comedy, cartoon, independent etc etc etc. I enjoy films much like I do music (but not to the same extent) so I like to analyze and figure out what my preferences are in specific examples. I always love a good conversation about films (intelligent or silly) and you asked a mildly entertaining question which can be answered quite seriously. I should have known with your personal posting history that this was only silly, but I thought you might be coming around I guess. The original post does not seem entirely silly. I hope this isn't closed as you requested because it can still make a good discussion. don't be upset [IMG]smileys/smiley31.gif" align=middle> |
No I'm not. I'm filled with anger. I hate you. I dispise you. Argggg!!!! [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
No, of course you're right. It could be a good discussion. So let's not kill it.
But what's that about my posting history? [IMG]height=17 alt=Angry src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> I post some bombs every now and then, but also the good stuff...[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
I just put those one-side options because, really, we all know none is 100% good or 100% evil, so all of these characters i took mostly from sci-fi and action-adventure flicks where character development is not that great nor that necessary. But we all love our MAns With No Names as Lione gave us.... [IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
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all i meant about your posting history is that you make a lot of silly threads. |
That's for sure my man, that's for sure.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 03:34 |
video vertigo wrote:
If you wanted a silly thread why did you ask a good question? |
 
Great comeback, VV!
I have to admit I love the good guys most of the time; if they're 'holier than thou' or too goody-goody, they may just lose my support.
What I do like, though is when the boundaries are a little blurred, as for example in the 'Saw' movies (I know some will consider these pulp horror, but hey...) - the main protagonist, Saw (for it is he) can be seen as the bad guy, as he sets up all the traps & causes highly unpleasant things to happen to his victims; however - take a good look at the victims... not exactly pillars of society, are they? Also, all are given a choice, usually based on morality and 9 times out of ten, if they follow instructions exactly, they'll survive.
Sorry - wandered off thread, there  ; one problem I do have is that although I support the good guys, why do the bad guys always look cooler!?!
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 04:23 |
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i'm with the plot... i don't care if it has a happy ending or evil prevails as long as the film is good..
i hate it when they sacrifice a lot of the quality of the plot just to give the movie a happy ending and vice versa...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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Peter
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 09:11 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 13:06 |
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I don't like movies.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 19:13 |
I like the Boromir (Lord Of the rings) type caracters, with a good heart, but vulerable to human emotions and flaws.
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Posted: December 19 2006 at 19:42 |
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I prefer a Michael Corleone style hero/villain. bad is so much more interesting than good.
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Posted: December 20 2006 at 09:33 |
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I tend to really like dark characters,villians,etc.
But as was stated in a previous post,I love characters where the lines are blurred,where you have trouble figuring out if the character is good or bad.
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