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Captain Fudge
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 08:01 |
They're as prog as Hendrix was, in a sense.
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Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder
Epic. Simply epic.
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Emperor
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 08:33 |
Yes. Beatles Rocks and Proggs!
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I Prophesy Disaster...
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Peter
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 11:10 |
[QUOTE=Blacksword]They were a progressive band, but not really a prog 'rock' band. They were progressive in the respect that they applied their imagination to their craft to make imaginative, inovative music which didn't sound like anything else at the time.[/QUOTE]
Exactly!
Original and essential (as were/are lots of bands & artists), but NOT PROG ROCK!
How are you defining "progressive?" The Beatles were "progressive" as in evolving and taking their music to new places, but not "prog rock" as in belonging on a compilation with classic Yes, Genesis, Crimson, etc.
(My unshakable opinion.)
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Garion81
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 11:56 |
I think what the Beatles did as well as some San Francisco bands, Cream, The Moody Blues, etc. did was to pay the dues and set the table for what happed in the early 70's. The main thing was to get greater artist control of what went on each LP, the introduction of organ and other keyboards in the sound mix and the more complex compositions. I also think that by their popularity that the muisic of the early 70's was much more accepted than it is today.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 12:47 |
Take two tracks and play them one after another.
I'd recommend "Being For the Benefit of Mr Kite!", then "Can-Utility and the Coast-Liners".
The Beatles track introduces new ideas, suddenly throwing suprises, but generally painting the picture of the lyrics in an absolute sense - e.g. Of course, Henry the horse dances the Waltz"... onwards. Here, a surreal waltz is used to portray the circus scene. Little imagination is required.
The Genesis track evolves in a more seamless way - growing and progressing smoothly, painting a far more abstract picture from which the listener can create a more personal voyage through the music. The lyrics do fit the music very well, but you'd be fairly hard pushed to explain why.
That's a difference
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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 13:40 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Progressive = YES, absolutely!
Prog Rock = Possibly "Being For the Benefit of Mr Kite!" or even "Day in the Life", but nothing else - including "Tomorrow Never Knows" or "Revolution #9".
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Take one late '60s newbie hippy, give him far too many hallucinogenic drugs whilst telling him he's a very, very, very clever man indeed, lock him in a recording studio overnight with a retarded simian, who just happens to be similarly drug enhanced, throw away anything good that happens to be recorded, then play the remainder backwards and allow retarded simian 2 to mix the remainder (with a great deal of its bodily effluvia), and voila: Revolution #9!
Erm - not my favorite track on 'The White Album'
And as for 'Oh Bla Di Oh Bla Da' or whatever they called it.......
***door slams, and from within the sound of insane ranting can be heard with the muffled crashing of breaking furniture***
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 15:39 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Progressive = YES, absolutely!
Prog Rock = Possibly "Being For the Benefit of Mr Kite!" or even "Day in the Life", but nothing else - including "Tomorrow Never Knows" or "Revolution #9".
(IMHO)
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Take one late '60s newbie hippy, give him far too many hallucinogenic drugs whilst telling him he's a very, very, very clever man indeed, lock him in a recording studio overnight with a retarded simian, who just happens to be similarly drug enhanced, throw away anything good that happens to be recorded, then play the remainder backwards and allow retarded simian 2 to mix the remainder (with a great deal of its bodily effluvia), and voila: Revolution #9!
Erm - not my favorite track on 'The White Album'
And as for 'Oh Bla Di Oh Bla Da' or whatever they called it.......
***door slams, and from within the sound of insane ranting can be heard with the muffled crashing of breaking furniture*** |
Couldn't agree more, old chap - and as for "Rocky Racoon..."
/ducks and runs to avoid missiles from ardent RR fans...
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Rob The Good
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 20:01 |
The Beatles were progressive in their later years, but not Prog in my opinion. The same could be said about Jimi Hendrix. I believe that Prog grew out of the foundations set by bands such as Procol Harum and The Moodies!
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Syzygy
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 08:12 |
The 'Long Medley' on side 2 of Abbey Road was probably the inspiration for more prog epics than anything else. Supper's Ready, Tarkus, A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers, 9 Feet Underground, Close To The Edge and even 2112 are all basically long medleys, and are none the worse for it.
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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grandoleopry
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Posted: June 12 2005 at 02:11 |
That's like asking if God's a Democrat or a Republican. He's above all that and so are they. Not saying that they are God Almighty, but they are certainly gods of all rock and roll. Remember, rock was dark and without substance, then came Elvis who took it from dark to light. Then came the Beatles who expanded the genre and saw that it was good. Where the Beatles went, rock followed. Everybody and I mean everybody at the time waited to see what direction the Beatles would take music next. Hendrix, Zappa, Beach Boys, Jagger, LZ, Tull, Yes, Dylan, Doors, Paul Simon, Elton John, not to mention the country western, jazz and pop stars, they all took their cues from the Beatles. Make no mistake: no Beatles, no Prog. They taught the world how far rock 'n roll could go. Ask the giants of prog what they thought of the Beatles. Ask Jon Anderson, Ian Anderson, Robert Fripp, Frank Zappa (if he were alive). They will tell you the same thing I've already said. They were gods. True, there were embryonic awakenings of prog with other bands at the time in remote places under obscure names, but nobody with the name power of the Beatles who had the ability to pioneer and experiment with every type of music and have it commercially successful. And thats how the Beatles (unbiet known to themselves) started prog: by borrowing sounds from everything and every type of music and experimenting and having commercial success. It must be remembered that without commercial success most music by the modern era would die a premature death. So when you're taking about the Beatles take your shoes off proggers your on holy ground.
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Posted: June 12 2005 at 08:54 |
The beatles, prog??? It makes bo sense...from the 60s, Billy Callendar, Seventh son, Peter Walker and Clark Hutchinson were the first to experiment progressive arrengements with pop music
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Mr. Krinkle
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Posted: June 14 2005 at 03:14 |
Sgt Pepper's could be a little prog.
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Posted: June 14 2005 at 03:55 |
They were prog in 1967, IMO.
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