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Philrod 
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 17:43 |
What are the hardest drum beats to play? not necessarily the solos... but the beats???
In prog and non-prog...
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moodyxadi
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 17:53 |
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Love me do - The Beatles
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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el böthy
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 18:35 |
Tom Sawyer
Anything on Discipline
Lateralus
...ah, and Im not a drummer  , but this seems pretty hard to play, right?
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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The Wizard
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 18:55 |
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How about Gong-Master Builder. There's some crazy beats in that song, and not just one beat.
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Rorro
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 19:04 |
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Mahavishnu Orchestra - The inner mounting flame entire album.
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Meddler
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 19:06 |
Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus is some hard time sig... but I'm not a drummer. 
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Hierophant
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 19:46 |
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Planet X - Anything, esp. Ground Zero (7 against 5)
Alot of Meshuggah (difficult polyrhythmic bass patterns against hands in 4)
Anything with Morgan Agren - mats & morgan, sol niger within - ridiculous snare bass interplay and finger control
Mahavishnu - Vital Transformation
Anything against a steady ride swing-type ostinato
Zappa - The Black Page (nested quintuplets as triplets), Mo n' Herbs Vacation
Anything off of Death's Symbolic or Human album - esp. Crystal Mountain
Some of Bruford's syncopated stuff on CTTE
The "14/8" groove on Porcupine Tree's - The Sound Of Muzak
Trying to play an Aphex Twin song on the drums
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 21:28 |
For me the instrumental section of "One for the Vine", Phil keeps changing each and every sequence of beats in that track, it's amazing, he only changes one beat per sequence, but if you miss it you find yourself totally lost.
Iván
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Nakatira
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 21:35 |
I`m no drummer but I`ve allways thought Long Distance Runaround by Yes, seems kinda tricky.
I knever understand that snare.
I think he`s playing in a wierd signature, it sounds as if the song could have been palyed in 4/4.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 21:36 |
Oh, I stopped playing drums a year ago, but I still think I can weigh in.
Needless to say, a lot of Prog-Metal is hard to play. I'll single out the obvious: Dream Theater and Pain of Salvation. For a good example of each: DT's "Dance of Eternity" and PoS's "Ideoglossia."
Otherwise, "Isle of Everywhere" by Gong gets so crazy, you'd have to be at the top of your game to play it well.
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maani
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Posted: May 10 2006 at 23:40 |
Clearly, anything by Mahavishnu Orchestra is difficult because you have McLaughlin writing wild time signatures, and Billy Cobham or Narada Michael Walden playing them.
Similarly, much of Crimson, Yes and Genesis are difficult due to odd/shifting time signatures and the presence of Bruford or Collins. Re Genesis, I have always found the instrumental break in Robbery Assault & Battery to be particularly difficult due to each measure being a different time signature (moreso even than One for the Vine). I also love the way they groove in 7/4, which almost every Genesis-influenced and/or neo-prog band (Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Porcupine Tree et al) does homage to. Re GG, they don't actually use odd time signatures all that often, they just have a way of throwing things together that can be difficult to play.
These days, the stuff that Portnoy does (both with DT and Neal Morse) gets about as difficult as it is possible to get.
The most common "odd" signatures used in most classic prog are 7/4, 9/8 and 13/8, all of which can be a bitch depending on how they are broken down.
Peace.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 00:51 |
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I'm not a drummer, but the twin-drumming on the Pat Metheny and Ornette Coleman track "Endangered Species", is mad!
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Garion81
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 01:43 |
 maani wrote:
These days, the stuff that Portnoy does (both with DT and Neal Morse) gets about as difficult as it is possible to get.
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Maani,
Good to see you back but if you think that you need to see a band close to NY called IZZ with two drummers. TYhey don't blow you away with power but at the end of the evening when you think back on them you will be amazed. 
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Uroboros
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 04:34 |
Nakatira wrote:
I`m no drummer but I`ve allways thought Long Distance Runaround by Yes, seems kinda tricky.
I knever understand that snare.
I think he`s playing in a wierd signature, it sounds as if the song could have been palyed in 4/4. |
Actually, it's pretty easy. The song is in 4/4, but in the verse Bruford/White play a 5/4 over that; that is, the snare gets hit once every five quarter notes. It's simple really, as it's only hi-hat and snare, with the occasional accents on the bass drum.
Most of the classic Yes/Genesis/VdGG/even Kc drum parts are not very difficult to decipher, and therefore they can be played, if you have the necessary skill of course. I think the most difficult things to play are those that actually take a longer time to properly understand: a lot of jazz and fusion stuff, Zappa tunes, and basically every RIO band (Chris Cutler or Dave Kerman are almost untouchable, to my ears at least).
That being said, it isn't always how intricate your parts get, but rather how well you manage to make them fit in the context of that particular piece of music, in a way that complements it and enriches it.
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Tous les chemins
qui s’ouvrent à moi
ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là
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pero
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 06:07 |
Deep purple - the mule - Ian Paice
Led Zeppelin - Bonzo's Montreaux
One word - Mahavishnu orchestra - Billy Cobham
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 06:12 |
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Anything Tomas Haake of Meshuggah plays.
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darius
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Posted: May 11 2006 at 07:49 |
Cream-Toad
Genesis-The Fountain of Salmacis
Area-Zyg
Perigeo-Polaris
And much more..... 
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