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    Posted: May 02 2006 at 09:35
I have been a member just shy of one years and I have not found a good thread in a while.  It would appear that we have run out of things to talk about.  New member bring up old debates and old member are saying here we go again.  Most of these threads look as if they were written by a liittle kid
" I hate so and so" or " so and so is the best".  Lets dig deep and go below the surface, or just stop talking about it.  Before you post something read the old threads to make sure it has not been done beforeAngry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 09:44
I can't help feeling I've seen a thread like this before... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 09:46
I think you may be right.... Sometimes I feel that way too, and I've been a member for less than a year now. The thing is, many people seem unable (or just plain uninterested) to do anything but sl*g off somebody else's favourite band - not to mention bring up the dreaded O and U words (i.e. overrated and underrated).
 
As for myself, I have hardly ever started a new thread, as I am the kind of person who'd rather avoid starting a discussion if she (I'm a she) has no serious contribution to offer. Maybe I'm boring, but that's the way I am.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 10:03
I also agree.  Though I have only been an official member for a month, I have been coming to this site since last fall for all the indepth reviews of albums and groups that I didn't even know existed just six months ago.  I also occasionally would check out some of the threads just to see what everyone was discussing, and sometimes the threads were rather juvenile, other times worthwhile.  I mean for every "top 10" thread or "this band/album is overrated" thread, there have been intelligent indepth discussions about what may have inspired such and such band to record such and such album.  Discussions that I find to be informative and often times, enlightening.  But, those threads don't seem to appear that often.  Cry 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 10:13
If what you are saying is true, then why don't YOU come up with a good thread?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 10:57
Originally posted by MegaMoog MegaMoog wrote:


I have been a member just shy of one years and I have not found a good
thread in a while.  It would appear that we have run out of things
to talk about.  New member bring up old debates and old member are
saying here we go again.  Most of these threads look as if they
were written by a liittle kid
" I hate so and so" or " so and so is the best".  Lets dig deep
and go below the surface, or just stop talking about it.  Before
you post something read the old threads to make sure it has not been
done before


   
To be honest, and to defend myself, I think I have tried to create debates about style, context, validation of music as form of art by updating resources and mirror society in it's actual state. But those threads dissapear beneath those "Most overrated..., King Crimson Vs. George Bush (go Crimson!), bestest best band of bands..." etc. I think entusiams is blinding people, and I think this forum is being mostly used to say "My band is the best and I like it so much", or "Dreamtheater is horrible".
¡Beware of the Bee!
   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:01
I don't think it's the threads that have changed but the way that you view them. The longer that you are here, the more you realise that most threads are just rehashes of previous topics. I'm not complaining because I can't think of any more interesting threads myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:16
I think Peter Rideout made a good point more than once on these forums. If you don`t like the discussion or topic don`t get involved in it It`s that simple ladies and gentlemen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:27
most of the "which band/ guitarist/ drummer/ album vs. album etc." irritate me a bit, they're rather pointless, but it doesn't hurt to use your imagination and have a bit of fun sometimes!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:32
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I can't help feeling I've seen a thread like this before... Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:15
I would sit back and come up with something good,but I bet it will get pushed a side in one day by some lame debate. Maybe we should come up with a new posting area that is more refined or have a prog debate post, non polling area so that they can yell about stuff and I do not have to go there and it will be easier to find the post I want to read
what do you think 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2006 at 02:55
Sorry to say I agree with just about everything you lot have said here.

Though I have only been a member for a few weeks, I am already finding the forums becoming quite tedious - so much of the space is devoted to juvenile drivel. Most posters simply seem incapable of forming a coherent argument, and quite often when they try, someone quickly loses their temper and it degenerates into a slanging match. Most do not seem to acknowledge or tolerate anyone else's opinion. Which all tends to bring it down to very simplistic forms.

There are exceptions of course, and I still trawl through looking for something interesting. Often I see a comment and want to reply, but then stop myself because it just isn't worth the effort - they won't listen to me, and most likely will get angry that I have dared to challenge their right to be right. And, of course, most of them will simply state their preferences, without any form of explanation.

There is also a temptation to post something like "oh no, not another silly thread/poll/whatever ...." which I notice some people will do. I try to resist doing this because, after all, no-one forced me to enter the thread in the first place. Sure, I can start my own threads, like someone said already, but often it will get lost in the mire, or it will get highjacked by people going off at a tangent and not actually discussing the topic.

There are still some good discussions, and perhaps some other little topic which tickles the fancy, but they are few and far between. Perhaps one of the problems is that Prog encompasses such a wide variation of styles that it is unlikely that everything will appeal to me - eg I have no interest at all in so-called Prog Metal - so discussions on those topics are beyond my ken.

I joined the site because there seemed to be a lot of people conversing about the music that I like. Sadly there seems to be a lot of words written, but not a great deal of conversation, which I find very disappointing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2006 at 04:11
Hey, everytime a thread is started about an obscure group, it last half a page before sinking in the back pages
 
Everybody complains about the originality of the threads , but nobody seems to be creating interesting ones.
 
I find the group threads are about giving their tastes and dislikes but not really arguing profoundly about the music. No need to dissect the tablatures, but some more profound subject than just scratching the surface of the group's musical contents
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:52
I have no idea....Wacko
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2006 at 13:25
After more than one year of membership I admit that I've finally given up on using the forum as a platform to inspire people to listen to new bands. It's just pointless ... people are stubborn and put their own beliefs above everything else. I'm not excluding myself, although the extent of this "arrogance" surely varies from person to person. Edit: I don't mean this in a demeaning way. I have many friends (even close ones) which have a high level of this sort of arrogance.
 
Don't get me wrong, this is not against "prog traditionalists" or "prog metal haters" ... I just mean that people sometimes have irrational preconceptions about a band, or a style of music or even a period of time ... for example I don't the 80s.
 
A musical example: I don't like Krautrock. So far nothing that I've listened to has grabbed my attention or made me want to listen to more of that. Is that because Krautrock sucks ... or because I'm biased against it?
 
 


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - May 09 2006 at 16:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2006 at 13:41
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

After more than one year of membership I admit that I've finally given up on using the forum as a platform to inspire people to listen to new bands. It's just pointless ... people are stubborn and put their own beliefs above everything else. I'm not excluding myself, although the extent of this "arrogance" surely varies from person to person.


I understand you and you are quite right. However, I insisted to continue with my thread (I recommend) since I believe there is a solid crowd here that yearns for new stuff (not necessarily modern new but new for them). I have found several friends like this through that thread (Geck0, Jimbo, Eugene, Micky, Ivan Melgar, Rorro, Atkingani, Lesovation, Erik, Glass House, DallasBryan, Andrea Cortese, Andrew, and others as well - sorry to anyone I ommited). I am glad I insisted cause now I can share with them new stuff I find and they do the same with me.
So for those people, it is worth "bothering" for.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2006 at 15:58
I agree Assaf, some of us do listen to others occasionally.  I know I have been involved in "debates" on here myself and some people are often very stubborn (me included on occasion) and people never like to back down from something.

But I still accept peoples' opinions at the end of the day.

So I am not keen on Neo-prog, Dream Theater or a lot of prog-metal, that doesn't make me inferior, it just means I have a different prog-mindset, that's all.

Thanks for the mention too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:08
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

After more than one year of membership I admit that I've finally given up on using the forum as a platform to inspire people to listen to new bands. It's just pointless ... people are stubborn and put their own beliefs above everything else. I'm not excluding myself, although the extent of this "arrogance" surely varies from person to person.


I understand you and you are quite right. However, I insisted to continue with my thread (I recommend) since I believe there is a solid crowd here that yearns for new stuff (not necessarily modern new but new for them). I have found several friends like this through that thread (Geck0, Jimbo, Eugene, Micky, Ivan Melgar, Rorro, Atkingani, Lesovation, Erik, Glass House, DallasBryan, Andrea Cortese, Andrew, and others as well - sorry to anyone I ommited). I am glad I insisted cause now I can share with them new stuff I find and they do the same with me.
So for those people, it is worth "bothering" for.


 
Trouserpress started a similar thread a few months ago ("Trouserpress recommends") and I followed. But I think that forum threads are not the ideal way to make recommendations. I'll try to use my signature generator for that.Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2006 at 17:13
Originally posted by MegaMoog MegaMoog wrote:

I have been a member just shy of one years and I have not found a good thread in a while.  It would appear that we have run out of things to talk about.  New member bring up old debates and old member are saying here we go again.  Most of these threads look as if they were written by a liittle kid
" I hate so and so" or " so and so is the best".  Lets dig deep and go below the surface, or just stop talking about it.  Before you post something read the old threads to make sure it has not been done beforeAngry


Then try to create some threads that you think will provoke some good discussion.


Edited by TheProgtologist - May 09 2006 at 17:13


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